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Erebus posted:"This girl is tough so let's have her scream a lot and throw in curse words at random" is some C-grade anime dub poo poo but okay Kaine's dialogue is a pitch-perfect localization of how her character should speak. Like you can say you dislike the writing but that isn't a bad localization it is exactly what they should have done.
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Teenagers trying to sound tough still sound better than Kaine does. At one point, as I recall, she says something like "Goddamn son of a bitch bastard" which isn't even cursing anymore, it's just word salad. You can do that character and that idea without being so hamfisted with it. But if you'd rather I say the translation's fine and the original script is poo poo, I'm fine with that too. I don't like any of those characters or that story.
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Feb 17, 2015 05:35
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Erebus posted:But if you'd rather I say the translation's fine and the original script is poo poo, I'm fine with that too. Perhaps it is you who is poo poo.
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Feb 17, 2015 05:39
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Erebus posted:Teenagers trying to sound tough still sound better than Kaine does. At one point, as I recall, she says something like "Goddamn son of a bitch bastard" which isn't even cursing anymore, it's just word salad. You can do that character and that idea without being so hamfisted with it.. Yes. That's the point. Kaine is supposed to sound absurd. She is supposed to look absurd. The translation is accurately conveying the original source material. Erebus posted:But if you'd rather I say the translation's fine and the original script is poo poo, I'm fine with that too. I don't like any of those characters or that story. So you're bitching about the translation without even bothering to differentiate between translation and original writing. Gotcha. It's fine if you dislike the core writing but that doesn't make the translation poo poo.
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Feb 17, 2015 05:40
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Erebus posted:Teenagers trying to sound tough still sound better than Kaine does. At one point, as I recall, she says something like "Goddamn son of a bitch bastard" which isn't even cursing anymore, it's just word salad.
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Feb 17, 2015 05:41
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ImpAtom posted:Yes. That's the point. Kaine is supposed to sound absurd. She is supposed to look absurd. The translation is accurately conveying the original source material. I'm saying there's a line between it sounding forced on purpose and just sounding forced on its own. You can do the "vulnerable character putting on a tough front" thing without going to that extreme with it. Like, Kanji from P4 was coming from the same place but not nearly to that degree. If he had talked like Kaine I would've found him annoying too. quote:So you're bitching about the translation without even bothering to differentiate between translation and original writing. Gotcha. It's fine if you dislike the core writing but that doesn't make the translation poo poo. I'm admitting I don't know the original script. Maybe she was that bad originally. But I think the localizers could've done something to account for what it sounded like in English, regardless of what it was in Japanese. But this gets back to whole literal translation versus spirit of the language translation argument.
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Feb 17, 2015 05:46
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Erebus posted:I'm saying there's a line between it sounding forced on purpose and just sounding forced on its own. You can do the "vulnerable character putting on a tough front" thing without going to that extreme with it. Like, Kanji from P4 was coming from the same place but not nearly to that degree. If he had talked like Kaine I would've found him annoying too. That isn't the character they're going for though. They're not putting "vulnerable character putting on a tough front" thing. The character is literally supposed to be come across as ridiculous and excessive. Again, you may not like the character but that is what the character is supposed to be. Erebus posted:I'm admitting I don't know the original script. Maybe she was that bad originally. But I think the localizers could've done something to account for what it sounded like in English, regardless of what it was in Japanese. But this gets back to whole literal translation versus spirit of the language translation argument. They did do that! The character is supposed to sound abrasive, excessive and ridiculous and the localization conveys that. Nier is like the worst game in the world to accuse of being too literal considering they literally changed the protagonist's relationship with Yonah entirely to better convey the intent to the American audience. "I don't like this character" doesn't make the localization bad. It just means you don't like the character.
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Feb 17, 2015 05:50
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I liked Kaine. Full disclosure, when I was 12 I said "Goddamn son of a bitch bastard" and similar strings of potty mouth because I thought it made me sound grown up.
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Feb 17, 2015 06:02
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kirbysuperstar posted:Perhaps it is you who is poo poo. Just make this the title.
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Feb 17, 2015 06:14
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If your argument is that Kaine is meant to be exactly as obnoxious as she is, then fine. The impression I got was that she was being made overly excessive and abrasive by the English script, because she sounds a lot like bad anime dubs of the '90s where any angry or gruff person's dialog becomes gently caress YOUR poo poo FACE rear end DICK. It's entirely possible that I was giving the original script too much credit. She's just an awful character then.
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Feb 17, 2015 06:21
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Kaine's main flaw is that she is not Arioch and doesn't literally eat children.
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Feb 17, 2015 06:32
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Erebus posted:If your argument is that Kaine is meant to be exactly as obnoxious as she is, then fine. The impression I got was that she was being made overly excessive and abrasive by the English script, because she sounds a lot like bad anime dubs of the '90s where any angry or gruff person's dialog becomes gently caress YOUR poo poo FACE rear end DICK. It's entirely possible that I was giving the original script too much credit.
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Feb 17, 2015 06:33
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Endorph posted:or maybe you're just weird and hyper focused on the comparison to bad 90s OVAs even though that comparison really doesn't fit at all since they're coming from two completely different directions with the swearing
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Feb 17, 2015 06:37
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I swear like Kaine all the time whenever I get frustrated at something. Hell I believe there were times while playing the game I did so, like with the boar fight. And what's the point in swearing if you're not just going to go all the way? edit: And I'm well past being a teenager.
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Feb 17, 2015 06:41
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Erebus posted:Teenagers trying to sound tough still sound better than Kaine does. At one point, as I recall, she says something like "Goddamn son of a bitch bastard" which isn't even cursing anymore, it's just word salad. You can do that character and that idea without being so hamfisted with it.
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Feb 17, 2015 06:41
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C'mon guys, be nice or I'm busting out those Pier Solar breastfeeding pics again.
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Feb 17, 2015 06:42
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Codiekitty posted:C'mon guys, be nice or I'm busting out those Pier Solar breastfeeding pics again. the gently caress you say
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Feb 17, 2015 06:43
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Codiekitty posted:C'mon guys, be nice or I'm busting out those Pier Solar breastfeeding pics again. 
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Feb 17, 2015 06:46
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Erebus posted:Nier, a game with a good translation  Is this seriously the first thing you hear in the game?
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Feb 17, 2015 06:58
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Head Hit Keyboard posted:
yeah, it owns
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Feb 17, 2015 07:01
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Head Hit Keyboard posted:
Drakengard 2 started with "Love me!"
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Feb 17, 2015 07:01
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Head Hit Keyboard posted:
Yup! In Kaine's defense, Weiss is a little bitch.
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Feb 17, 2015 07:03
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Head Hit Keyboard posted:
drakengard 3 starts with dragon pissing
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Feb 17, 2015 07:05
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Erebus posted:Nier, a game with a good translation I haven't played Nier (and I really should because it's sitting on my shelf  ), but that sounded perfectly fine. It was someone exasperated and angry, using fairly coherent sentences  .
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Feb 17, 2015 07:07
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Erebus posted:Nier, a game with a good translation
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Feb 17, 2015 07:07
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Nier also has really good music. I could never bring myself to beat it though, the last dungeon is just such a slog.
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Feb 17, 2015 07:12
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Leper Residue posted:Nier also has really good music. I could never bring myself to beat it though, the last dungeon is just such a slog. The soundtracks been rearranged at least twice. It freaking rules.
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Feb 17, 2015 07:15
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Nier has the best soundtrack. And unlike other games that you can say are worth playing just for the music like FF Mystic Quest and Chrono Cross, the rest of this game is actually great too. Best JRPG of the Xbox360/PS3/Wii generation.
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Feb 17, 2015 07:26
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Eh, as much as I like Nier, I wouldn't call it the best of that generation. Even though I'll defend the gameplay as being okay, there are other titles, console and handheld, that were a lot more fun.
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Feb 17, 2015 07:29
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Seriously, why the gently caress is Xenoblade designed around people who do sidequests as soon as they can. I just want to play the main story while doing side quests here and there but the game makes it impossible with constant difficulty spikes. I'm at the part where I have to open up the gate to prison island by breaking the two seals and after the previous cakewalk boss fight (after leveling up a level) I now have to go through a tough wave of enemies just to get to where I need to go.
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Feb 17, 2015 07:41
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Motto posted:Eh, as much as I like Nier, I wouldn't call it the best of that generation. Even though I'll defend the gameplay as being okay, there are other titles, console and handheld, that were a lot more fun. I like Nier and all but yeah, it's more an unpolished gem than goty material. People should definitely play it, it's cheap, and if it does click with you, you have like three playthroughs to see everything.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Seriously, why the gently caress is Xenoblade designed around people who do sidequests as soon as they can. I just want to play the main story while doing side quests here and there but the game makes it impossible with constant difficulty spikes. I'm at the part where I have to open up the gate to prison island by breaking the two seals and after the previous cakewalk boss fight (after leveling up a level) I now have to go through a tough wave of enemies just to get to where I need to go. What team are you using?
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Feb 17, 2015 08:55
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Nier is a fantastic rpg, like its not the best gameplay-wise, but its clear that the writer and the localizers all put a lot of work into making one of the most charming ps3/360 games. Also both Drakengard & Nier both have great music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNxH1ueL2bU
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Feb 17, 2015 09:31
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Endorph posted:all this talk about kaine's got you thirsty, huh Nah, since the debate seems to be whether or not Kaine is horrible, I'm just trying to think of something that everyone sensible would agree is horrible from a game that everyone everyone sensible would agree is horrible. As for Nier itself, I actually went through a bunch of sidequests in the first half of the game just to get more banter, but eventually gave up on them in the second half after I ballsed up one in which an old woman told me to find three crates and don't open any of them. I did exactly as she said, later finding out the correct thing to do was to open them and turn them over to the police. Then the game completely pissed me off at the end with its big reveal that didn't even make any sense: If the shades are deformed human souls, and everyone in the game is a soulless shell, why the gently caress was one of the bosses created by people of a town turning into shades and fusing together? I also wasn't too keen on the implication that Lord Voldemort was more human than the cast of Nier.
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Feb 17, 2015 14:07
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ImageEpoch might be shutting down. I've never played any of their games but I always heard they were bad?
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Feb 17, 2015 14:13
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Codiekitty posted:
Everyone isn't necessarily soulless, sometimes they either get possessed by stray souls like Kaine or even get found by their own soul and live out an almost normal life. Presumably that town was living symbiotically with shades until events in game changed that. Shades themselves aren't exactly deformed, just some of them start to forget/reject their humanity after centuries spent as disembodied spirits. dis astranagant fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Feb 17, 2015 |
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HGH posted:ImageEpoch might be shutting down. I've never played any of their games but I always heard they were bad? They had some okay games. Sands of Destruction was broken as gently caress but also reasonably fun. Arc Rise Fantasia and Fate/Extra probably came the closest to being legitimately good if flawed. But then they made Criminal Girls and Time & Eternity, two of the absolutely more dire-bad JRPGs ever, so I won't miss them.
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corn in the bible posted:Play Lightning Return. hell yeah corn is right, i doubted them and now i agree we should get a trauma survivors or god is dead gang tag for all lightning returns completers
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Feb 17, 2015 15:36
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hubris.height posted:hell yeah corn is right, i doubted them and now i agree Tell them to put it on my loving PC already and I'd have begun yesterday!!
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Terper posted:What team are you using? Shulk, Reyn, and Melia.
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