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Sexpansion posted:So apparently Jesiz is getting benched for Mancloud. I don't know if mancloud is any good still but I can't imagine he'll be worse than jesiz. CandyPanda was never the best adc, but he was also far from the worst.
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Sexpansion posted:So apparently Jesiz is getting benched for Mancloud. I don't know if mancloud is any good still but I can't imagine he'll be worse than jesiz. I don't understand this at all. Jesiz and Candypanda are average, unremarkable players, but they aren't bad or anything. I've defended Cris before but he's easily Coast's worst player and I'd replace him before anyone else on the team.
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Feb 17, 2015 17:36
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Sexpansion posted:So apparently Jesiz is getting benched for Mancloud. I don't know if mancloud is any good still but I can't imagine he'll be worse than jesiz. CandyPanda is a solid adc. Why the hate?
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Feb 17, 2015 17:46
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I agree that Candypanda is not bad, I just think it's telling that SK was one of the best teams in Europe last year with two totally average players. And honestly, I think they were both average at best, although Candypanda, it's true had his moments. Edit: All I'm saying is that SK's three core players (Fredy, Sven, and Nrated) are really good. Sexpansion fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Feb 17, 2015 |
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Feb 17, 2015 17:49
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Candy was average, Jesiz has always been useless and invisible and it says a lot about Sven and Fredy's skills, along with nrated's mind that they carried his dumb rear end to worlds
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Feb 17, 2015 17:53
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Killed By Death posted:I don't understand this at all. Jesiz and Candypanda are average, unremarkable players, but they aren't bad or anything. I've defended Cris before but he's easily Coast's worst player and I'd replace him before anyone else on the team. Jesiz is only an average pro when he can either play Ahri or when mages that can wave clear from 1000 range all game long are viable. Unfortunately for him Ahri is too good to actually make it through pick/ban phase to him and the nerfs to mana regen and wave clear along with the return of mid lane assassins and dive heavy top/jungle comps have completely driven Ziggs out of the meta and turned Xerath into a situational counter pick that requires both teams picking specific team comps to work.
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Feb 17, 2015 18:21
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Sexpansion posted:So apparently Jesiz is getting benched for Mancloud. I don't know if mancloud is any good still but I can't imagine he'll be worse than jesiz. I get the feeling that when Smithie worked out for CLG maybe everyone thought 'oh maybe all the ex-Vulcun players aren't shitters after all?!'
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Feb 17, 2015 18:23
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Lovechop posted:Candy was average, Jesiz has always been useless and invisible and it says a lot about Sven and Fredy's skills, along with nrated's mind that they carried his dumb rear end to worlds
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Feb 17, 2015 18:31
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While it's not confirmed as far as I know, yeah, I'd be curious to see how Coast Mancloud could play out. He and Xmithie have been both the best and the worst jungler/mid laning duo in NA at some point of their careers. It says something that both are still around after embarrassingly fizzling out with XDG. That was what, almost a year ago?
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Feb 17, 2015 18:32
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babydonthurtme posted:That or it says a lot about how lackluster EU LCS was last year. SK, Alliance and Fnatic went to worlds because they were the teams that were the best at surviving or breaking through the 50-minute stallfest BS that seemed to be the main strategy anyone employed in EU. Not that I don't respect the skills of Fredy, NRated and Mr Dumb Racist-- you just have to admit that the lower five EU teams weren't especially hard to beat out for the World spot. I totally agree with this. I think EU was really weak at the end of last year. SK is really good now, though, I think they are world class.
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Disinterested posted:I get the feeling that when Smithie worked out for CLG maybe everyone thought 'oh maybe all the ex-Vulcun players aren't shitters after all?!' Bennie has performed admirably in all the games he's subbed for. I think removing zuna would have atleast kept them in the lcs. That's all they needed to do.
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Disinterested posted:I get the feeling that when Smithie worked out for CLG maybe everyone thought 'oh maybe all the ex-Vulcun players aren't shitters after all?!' I can't tell if xSmithie is actually good or if he is just benefiting from CLG destroying lanes individually, but the fact that he's not bad at this point is a good sign because you have to think he's only going to get better this split as he plays more.
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Feb 17, 2015 18:35
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A lot of players on bad lcs teams are good and are held back by poor management, support structure, a knowledge gap, or zuna.
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Feb 17, 2015 18:37
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Jayisspecial posted:Bennie has performed admirably in all the games he's subbed for. I think removing zuna would have atleast kept them in the lcs. That's all they needed to do. They had deeper problems than just one player. Removing Zuna wouldn't have saved them from 8th place, and even if they subbed in Uzi/S3 Piglet/Imp etc. for the relegation match, they'd still have lost to LMQ at that point.
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Feb 17, 2015 18:42
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Bring back BloodWater, god of the support baron steal.
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Typical Pubbie posted:Bring back BloodWater, god of the support baron steal. Bloodwater is actually a sub for Coast AFAIK 
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Feb 17, 2015 19:37
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BloodWater was the reason that Vulcun was good when they were good (imho). When he left they were pretty much cooked I think.Killed By Death posted:Bloodwater is actually a sub for Coast AFAIK That's weird because I thought he had totally retired from competitive play to do school. He doesn't show up on Coast's esportspedia page.
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Feb 17, 2015 19:48
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Hey also, I kind of thought he might be washed up, but Impact is looking pretty loving good 
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Feb 17, 2015 19:49
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H2K mid sub "Betsy" is replacing NiQ, at least for this week. No Gambit KORI for now.Libertine posted:BloodWater was the reason that Vulcun was good when they were good (imho). When he left they were pretty much cooked I think. You might be right, actually. I was certain he was listed as a sub on the LoLeSports site, but checking now, he's not there 
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Feb 17, 2015 20:09
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Killed By Death posted:No Gambit KORI for now. Gambit still need all of Kori before they can sub him in but MyM are delivering one body part at a time.
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Feb 17, 2015 20:26
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wickd likely out :> http://www.dailydot.com/esports/elements-wickd-lcs/ sadly there's not really any world class top laners around in eu atm. kevin sounds like a decent replacement i guess. hopefully zorro gets back on form and joins
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Feb 17, 2015 20:32
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Wickd as bad as he is, isn't the main problem that Elements has. It's the two carries who are afraid to die and just play passively for 50 minutes that are the staggering main issue.
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Feb 17, 2015 20:39
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I think freddy122 and maybe Vizicsacsi are the top 2 in EU? I'm struggling to remember EU top laners right now that aren't Wickd or Youngbuck, Cabochard is another? E: Overpow is another, can't remember the FNC one but he's probably up there.
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Feb 17, 2015 20:39
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Lovechop posted:sadly there's not really any world class top laners around in eu atm. kevin sounds like a decent replacement i guess. hopefully zorro gets back on form and joins Pretty hyped about Zoro coming back, honestly.
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i like vizi and cabo but they're both really new dudes without the fatty international experience you'd want for a team that should be looking to make a good run at worlds. fredy is like all we've got for intl contenders. seems like there's gently caress all out there really. e: ^^ me too man, i really want him to come back hard and loving rip on people ^^
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Feb 17, 2015 20:43
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Sexpansion posted:Pretty hyped about Zoro coming back, honestly. Kinda like Nukeduck ?
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Asema posted:Wickd as bad as he is, isn't the main problem that Elements has. It's the two carries who are afraid to die and just play passively for 50 minutes that are the staggering main issue. Actually he is probably their main problem because he is garbage, has no champions, and is usually the main form of engage for a team with 2 passive players. When one of your engage options is bad it hurts. You can have 2 passive players especially when they are best in slot if you have some playmakers elsewhere.
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Asema posted:Wickd as bad as he is, isn't the main problem that Elements has. It's the two carries who are afraid to die and just play passively for 50 minutes that are the staggering main issue. You could probably replace him with a top laner who plays passively for 50 minutes who can also play three or more champs and that would be an upgrade.
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Sexpansion posted:Pretty hyped about Zoro coming back, honestly. When is he coming back? I thought he didn't even think he even play the game anymore and I'm pretty sure he's permanently out of the competitive scene. Kevin is much better than Wickd. If that's true that's a really good move for Elements. If they had made that move 6 months ago maybe they'd have done better at worlds.
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Libertine posted:When is he coming back? I thought he didn't even think he even play the game anymore and I'm pretty sure he's permanently out of the competitive scene. zoro has been playing solo queue, that's all anyone knows. everyone is just hopefully wishing he'll come back to the pro scene or w/e
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Rekkles & Froggen are 2 of the best at their position and they bring incredibly obvious benefits to a team. They wont get caught out of position late & die. They will farm & get fed at a level better than most players. Both are smart & hard working. They can both carry a teamfight. Their downside is that they may not take risks that could win a game if the risk is too high. Both, while passive, still can scrap/skirmish/take picks/get some kills as well its not like they only farm. You bank all those benefits & you get a jungler & a top laner or a support that make plays. Shook is already half way there, he needs consistency and to be able to make some kind of impact if he doesnt get 3 good ganks off early. Wickd plays ZERO champions outside of Irelia at the level you'd expect a world class top laner to play, on top of being stubborn. Elements constantly flexing Alistar to support when he was the most broken top lane champion in the game at Worlds was awful. He sucks at Lulu, Kayle, Lissandra. His Maokai engages are terrible. He doesn't play Mundo well. Etc. Get someone who can play top meta & who is willing to take a good engage. Get your engage in with Shook & let Froggen and Rekkles cleanup. I love this move obviously. Kev1n is a good start too but they should set their sights on someone better just not sure if better will come available.
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it's boring to watch but just because a team is passive doesn't mean they're bad, clg eu almost won ogn for fucks sake. froggen is still a god even if he doesn't go nuts all the time. rekkles is playing like poo poo but it's not entirely due to that style
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Lovechop posted:clg eu almost won ogn for fucks sake It's a long rear end time ago but their run in OGN really showcased just how insanely good Froggen was at the time compared to the competition. When you compare players Frost were pretty much straight up better in every position compared to CLGEU except mid. And CLGEU still made it the final 5th game.
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CLG.EU basically lost the final once Wickd started losing, ironically.
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I never thought Wickd was completely poo poo tier or nothing, I certainly understand how some people do, but he's been the 4th/5th best player on Alliance/Elements for the last year. This is good. If Elements manages to find a play making top laner along the lines of "Zionspartan, but better", who knows what they could do. It's certainly along the lines of what they really look like they need right now. But this gets us back to how the top lane talent in the West is not looking that great, I mean... Kev1n? He'd need a resurgence of the type Link is having, plus ten  vv Don't get me wrong, you're probably right. Still, I think we're talking about what looks like replacing an average-bad player with an average-bad+ one. It's not great. Ihki fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Feb 17, 2015 |
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Feb 17, 2015 21:52
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I would take Kev1n over wickd any day.
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Feb 17, 2015 21:55
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Sexpansion posted:I would take Keven. Just. Keven over wickd any day. same
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Feb 17, 2015 21:59
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The MIL players were all very solid mechanically and in lane, they just had poo poo strategy. KEV1N was also their best player or top 2 at one point so I like the move provisionally. You guys know what should happen though, EL Alex Ich!
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AnonSpore posted:same Keven. Just. Keven posted:How much $$$ do I have to pay to get someone to change their Summoner Name To Big Keven. EL Big Keven confirmed. :itshappeningjpg: Edit: Seriously though it's about drat time Elements started looking for a better top laner. Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Feb 17, 2015 |
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Jerkface posted:The MIL players were all very solid mechanically and in lane, they just had poo poo strategy. KEV1N was also their best player or top 2 at one point so I like the move provisionally. The true very stronk top.
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