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mr. mephistopheles posted:Except the right's examples of indoctrination are things like CRAZY MATH THAT MAKES NO SENSE, not being forced to stand for the pledge and allowing history classes to say things critical of America's past actions, and the left's examples of indoctrination include prayer in schools and trying to whitewash American history even more than it already has been. Now look, I don't agree with the right, but you're kind of glossing over the issue of how they see contemporary history being taught. I know they're wrong but pretend that their perspective is worth analyzing for a minute at least. They don't view their actions as whitewashing American history (because the events they're getting rid of are unimportant to them anyway), but are rather reacting to what they see as an attempt by "liberals" to use education to vilify America in history. Just like how they see taking all of the overbearing Christianity out of schools as trying to erase the part Christians had in American history. I know it's hard to conceive of because you've got a much more open mind than these people, but try to open your mind a little more and realize that they view allowing criticism of U.S. actions to any significant degree as slandering the country. I'm not saying they're right, but it never hurts to be able to see your political opponent's perspective.
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Radish posted:It's just more conspiracy nonsense like literally everything they are pissed off about. If the GOP passed their version of Common Core where sex education was abstinence only, History class only consisted of how much rear end we kicked in WWII, "It's freedom OF religion not Freedom FROM religion", and math was memorizing the times tables and calling it a day you wouldn't hear a peep out of them. That reminds me of this radio ad that plays during Limbaugh and Hannity and poo poo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzQxMqjQyn8 FEMA DEATH CAMPS. It has since been updated to fema123.com instead of conspiracy123. Intel&Sebastian posted:The thing I don't get is that, as far as I can tell, all you're doing is denying kids the chance to get college credits while in HS. If someone isn't going to take this abhorrent AP class now aren't they just going to college (assuming you haven't broken bezelbub's hold on their spirit in the meantime) and get it there? Why would they want to support the free-thought liberal indoctrination camps that are American colleges?
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Beamed posted:CommieGIR in the other thread? The fact that it made it out of committee was worrying enough. I may have misspoken, but Oklahoma is hardly holding back the crazy on the legislative floor.
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Beamed posted:Yo, there's a big difference between "The truth must be somewhere in the middle!" and "Jesus christ, hold yourselves to some standard will you". Hell the best you could do even here was use as much hyperbole as possible and then resort to arguing a stickman. Come on, man. There's literally someone on a right-wing D&D saying this just as you are. How is anything I said hyperbole? Do you just not follow conservative media at all or what?
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Feb 18, 2015 21:05
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Mineaiki posted:Now look, I don't agree with the right, but you're kind of glossing over the issue of how they see contemporary history being taught. I know they're wrong but pretend that their perspective is worth analyzing for a minute at least. They don't view their actions as whitewashing American history (because the events they're getting rid of are unimportant to them anyway), but are rather reacting to what they see as an attempt by "liberals" to use education to vilify America in history. Just like how they see taking all of the overbearing Christianity out of schools as trying to erase the part Christians had in American history. Yeah, exactly this.
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Feb 18, 2015 21:06
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Intel&Sebastian posted:The thing I don't get is that, as far as I can tell, all you're doing is denying kids the chance to get college credits while in HS. If someone isn't going to take this abhorrent AP class now aren't they just going to college (assuming you haven't broken bezelbub's hold on their spirit in the meantime) and get it there? Maybe history will end up similarly to economics, where professors have to be approved by specific donors (see: Koch brothers agreements with various public/private universities). High school history is within their grasp right now, and the lovely private colleges (the kind that "educated" a lot of the Bush administrations mid-level appointees) are certainly churning out people who have no grasp of history at all, so there's places for kids to go where they certainly won't get confronted by reality. This is but one battle of the war.
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Feb 18, 2015 21:08
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mr. mephistopheles posted:How is anything I said hyperbole? Do you just not follow conservative media at all or what? Okay. Link to where a conservative legislator claimed that not being forced to stand during the pledge is liberal indoctrination, and where they wanted to ban all US History courses. Go on; I'll wait. Ffs, if you want to engage with poo poo on any level your first step can't literally be "YOU'RE loving WRONG AND EVIL YOU loving HITLER".
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Beamed posted:CommieGIR in the other thread? Then wouldn't the other thread be the place to complain about it?
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Intel&Sebastian posted:The thing I don't get is that, as far as I can tell, all you're doing is denying kids the chance to get college credits while in HS. If someone isn't going to take this abhorrent AP class now aren't they just going to college (assuming you haven't broken bezelbub's hold on their spirit in the meantime) and get it there? Actually, probably not. History is taught very differently in high school, and you're not really required to learn much, if any, in college. Most people who don't read a lot of historical or political material actively, or who do not study those subjects, do not have a very nuanced view of them no matter what their political leaning may be. It's really, REALLY easy to pick up historical misconceptions early on and then carry them with you for the rest of your life. Besides, we know conservatives mostly want to funnel most people into business and engineering and other "practical," "employable" majors. Look up what Scott Walker's trying to do to Wisconsin's system. He's literally trying to edit any mention of "public service" out of their mission statement, because that might convince some kids that politics and government are things you should study instead of business. He's getting a lot of conservative support for this.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Then wouldn't the other thread be the place to complain about it? This thread is where the overwhelming amount of irrationality was coming from; or at least, at the time. It's a recurring theme.
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Beamed posted:This thread is where the overwhelming amount of irrationality was coming from; or at least, at the time. It's a recurring theme. Okay, but you understand the confusion someone might have when you say people are lying in here and then when asked where that happened you say "in some other thread"? I honestly don't even know which thread you're referring to even though I might be subscribed to it. At the very least you could link to his post or something, or even better, keep grievances contained within the threads where they're actually happening.
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Mineaiki posted:Now look, I don't agree with the right, but you're kind of glossing over the issue of how they see contemporary history being taught. I know they're wrong but pretend that their perspective is worth analyzing for a minute at least. They don't view their actions as whitewashing American history (because the events they're getting rid of are unimportant to them anyway), but are rather reacting to what they see as an attempt by "liberals" to use education to vilify America in history. Just like how they see taking all of the overbearing Christianity out of schools as trying to erase the part Christians had in American history. You say this as if I'm not aware of why they say and do the things that they do. It's not that I don't understand their motivations, it's that they are misguided and harmful and should be minimized as much as possible without oppressing their freedom of speech. Beamed posted:Okay. Link to where a conservative legislator claimed that not being forced to stand during the pledge is liberal indoctrination, and where they wanted to ban all US History courses. Go on; I'll wait. And I was the one using hyperbole? Yes, I said they want to ban all US history courses and called them evil Hitlers. It's great that you don't at all follow the bullshit argument standards you expect other people to follow and then accuse other people of being hypocritical. Also that's a great very specific and potentially impossible standard of requiring it to be an actual legislator saying something on public record, and even if I did actually find something I'm sure you'd find some way to shift the goal posts again so it didn't meet your criteria. Have fun with your self-righteousness, I guess.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:You say this as if I'm not aware of why they say and do the things that they do. It's not that I don't understand their motivations, it's that they are misguided and harmful and should be minimized as much as possible without oppressing their freedom of speech. Well I'm glad to know that. The way you phrased this post makes it a lot more constructive to the conversation here, also. I think we can all see when Republicans are being dumb, but some people either don't know exactly what the situation is (like you and I apparently do), or they do understand it and they want to talk about it, in which case really low-effort hysterical posts are just noise that everyone needs to scroll through to get to the actual discussion.
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No one is saying both sides do it. But both sides do perceive the other as doing it, and that's worth talking about.
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Flectarn posted:both sides Both sides BOTH SIDES!!! I'm just so tired of all these Star Wars.
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posts about how the left can be just as dumb and crazy are never going to go well in the right wing media thread, so how about we skip the whole tedious argument and just post about right wing media in the right wing media thread, thank you.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Speaking of which the same AP History bill also dictates that Reagan and GWB speeches be mandatory reading, while not including any Democratic presidents after Lyndon Johnson. Wait, are they trying to increase the teen suicide rate?
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Flectarn posted:posts about how the left can be just as dumb and crazy are never going to go well in the right wing media thread, so how about we skip the whole tedious argument and just post about right wing media in the right wing media thread, thank you. That's good to know in case anyone posts something like that.
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Nonsense posted:Please stop posting poo poo like "ITS JUST A SINGLE CONGRESSMAN, IT WILL BE TABLED" edit: this isn't exactly it, but similar: http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2014/06/11/how-partisan-are-your-states-legislators/ Grey Fox fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Feb 18, 2015 |
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http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/02/chris-christies-no-apology-tour-115269.html#ixzz3S7qwak4R A large article about Chris Christie's already laughable campaign, but this particular part caught my eye: quote:The trip to the Granite State over Presidents Day weekend was meant, in part, to get his presidential aspirations back on track—pushing aside questions about private jets, multibillion-dollar deficits and bridge-focused revenge. And, if there’s anywhere his brash style of politics might play well, it’s this fiercely independent state with a tradition of retail politics that twice boosted John McCain’s Straight Talk Express. That's the state of the Republican party today: Youtube videos of you telling your constituents to gently caress off and you being a dick to people is not just a good thing, it's something you tell people to go out and search for on the internet..
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Feb 18, 2015 23:42
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Chris Christie's response to a wave of bad press due to his many mistakes and flaws. "Google me. That will solve everything." Sometimes you have to love it.
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It worked for Ron Paul, right??? edit:  this is what I got when I followed the good man's order:
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Not as well as it worked for Santorum
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Intel&Sebastian posted:http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/02/chris-christies-no-apology-tour-115269.html#ixzz3S7qwak4R Christie should borrow his campaign theme from this classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sZuN0xXWLc
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Right Wing Watch does good work documenting the utter insanity of right wing radio these days, but they do so goddamn much of it and their subjects are usually such cranks and nobodies in the grand scheme that it becomes hard to post the funny stuff here because it's all really goddamn funny, but I liked this one: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/william-gheen-obama-will-give-immigrants-badges-and-guns-go-after-christian-heterosexual-mal quote:William Gheen of Americans for Legal Immigration (ALIPAC) visited VCY America’s “Crosstalk” yesterday to discuss some of his expansive conspiracy theories about immigrants in the United States.  The whole "This is gonna get so apocalyptic even those heathen LIBERALS won't like it!" is a new way to spin fear to me.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Right Wing Watch does good work documenting the utter insanity of right wing radio these days, but they do so goddamn much of it and their subjects are usually such cranks and nobodies in the grand scheme that it becomes hard to post the funny stuff here because it's all really goddamn funny, but I liked this one: I am not even surprised anymore. Gheen was the kinda dick who was lynching Chinese people in LA back in the 19th century. then again the talking piece of poo poo Steve king is pissed that we are accepting syrian refugees into the country. he is pissed that the refugees are not bootstraping the countries together. he also thinks that most of them are terrorists. http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/steve-king-syrian-quasi-refugees-are-sources-death-and-violence
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Right Wing Watch does good work documenting the utter insanity of right wing radio these days, but they do so goddamn much of it and their subjects are usually such cranks and nobodies in the grand scheme that it becomes hard to post the funny stuff here because it's all really goddamn funny, but I liked this one: I thought all the bad guys in movies these days were vaguely Middle Eastern folk or dirty Russians. Also, what exactly is the point of that conspiracy. Like, what are the "bad guys" goals here? Get elected to all the highest positions of authority and be given complete control over the US Military and Police Forces and then... replace them all with illegals? This is quite the conspiracy theory.
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Thump! posted:I thought all the bad guys in movies these days were vaguely Middle Eastern folk or dirty Russians. Missed the key word, huh? It was socialists! The dastardly illegals will be ushering in a new era of maximum communism.
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Today my boss was upset because "Obama is going to let all the illegals vote," pointing out that this is insane as he "can't go vote in some other country". I know this was a talking point for RW media awhile back but it boggles the mind that someone can believe that's an actual policy proposal. Not sure why he was carping about it today though, so I assume some annoying talking head brought it up again.
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Xibanya posted:Today my boss was upset because "Obama is going to let all the illegals vote," pointing out that this is insane as he "can't go vote in some other country". I know this was a talking point for RW media awhile back but it boggles the mind that someone can believe that's an actual policy proposal. Not sure why he was carping about it today though, so I assume some annoying talking head brought it up again. There's a steady stream of ILLEGALS talk right now because if people aren't sufficiently riled up about Obama's immigration orders then the DHS funding fight looks even stupider.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:There's a steady stream of ILLEGALS talk right now because if people aren't sufficiently riled up about Obama's immigration orders then the DHS funding fight looks even stupider. It also fits in with the massive voter suppression scheme Republican SoS's (CrossCheck) have going on in the south/midwest where states exchange lists of voters and then if you have the same first name/last name (even if DoB, SS, and middle names are different) they are disqualified from voting. Magically the ways it's applied it's not so much about John Smith's but Jesus Lopez. http://projects.aljazeera.com/2014/double-voters/ It's ideal Republican policy - makes it much harder to vote, specifically targets minorities and those who can't fight it, and also provides lots of propaganda to the base since obviously everyone it stops is some fraudulent vote that would've been for the Democrats.
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STAC Goat posted:Chris Christie's response to a wave of bad press due to his many mistakes and flaws. "Google me. That will solve everything." Consider who his audience is. Are they going to follow his advice and actually look those things up, or simply think to themselves "Wow. If he had anything to hide he wouldn't have said that. Good enough for me!"
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quote:“And when you go out and you find yourself pulled over on the side of the road, a prior illegal immigrant’s going to be walking up to your car with a badge and a gun.” I'm trying to figure out why this is supposed to scare me so much (you know, besides the general fear of an armed cop). Like, am I just supposed to be scared by the word "illegal"? At one point does that word lack meaning? If they're lawful members of society paying taxes and holding down jobs that theoretically serve the community like police what's the problem I have? Am I unemployed so I'm mad? Or am I having some existential crisis that an "illegal" is enforcing the law? Or should I just be scared he's brown?
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STAC Goat posted:I'm trying to figure out why this is supposed to scare me so much (you know, besides the general fear of an armed cop).
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STAC Goat posted:I'm trying to figure out why this is supposed to scare me so much (you know, besides the general fear of an armed cop). The latter. That guy's screed is like the dictionary definition of full-blown xenophobia. He's absolutely terrified of non-whites having any kind of authority over people like him and he's not even attempting to be subtle about it. I feel like if you scratch any base conservative hard enough you'll eventually reveal this guy or that Mississippi state rep complaining about lazy blacks living on welfare underneath.
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Grey Fox posted:It worked for Ron Paul, right??? Only in this case Christie is the blimp!
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On February 9, 2015, the public health reporters at the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel wrote a fairly straightforward article about the surge in Pertussis cases this year, and attributed it to: a weaker vaccine, genetic changes in the pertussis bacterium, and the rise of anti-vax websites and waivers. A full 5% of Wisconsin Kindegarten students had religious objection waivers during the 2013-14 school year. Our friends at Drudge tweeted out the article, and this happened: Journal-Sentinel posted:The story was posted last week on the popular Drudge Report website, which led to an onslaught of pointed emails and phone calls to the Journal Sentinel, claiming that the story had deliberately failed to point out the real reason behind the resurgence: unvaccinated immigrants crossing the Mexican border. Well, the Journal-Sentinel doesn't take poo poo from loving anybody, and definitely not La Raza, but definitely not Race Realists like these fine folks. So Johnson & Fauber wrote a follow-up article that looked at the claim that illegal immigrants caused the resurgence of pertussis and measles. Unsurprisingly, the unresearched conjecture of idiot racists is not supported by statistics or evidence: Journal-Sentinel posted:A resurgence of vaccine-preventable diseases such as measles and whooping cough in the U.S. continues to be blamed by at least some Americans on unvaccinated immigrants coming over the Mexican border. edit: The Original The Followup The comments are glorious. When data disproves your bullshit, racist theories, it must be that the data are wrong. The data, which are reported by the vaccine manufacturers, independently verified by NGOs like the WHO, are incorrect somehow, but our racist theories based on nothing, and which we cannot produce and evidence for, must be correct. Grand Theft Autobot fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Feb 19, 2015 |
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