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Byzantine posted:I'm not sure how this changes that. Don't you know that two rapes make a right?
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RBA Starblade posted:It seemed pretty obvious in retrospect that Oberyn would die because he seemed like a good person and those types always die horribly in GoT. It's kind of predictable actually. Still good though. I think Robb Stark was the real innovative death if there was one. He was clearly set up to appear to be the "hero" of the story, the person the viewer is supposed to root for to get vengeance for his father from those nasty Lannisters.99 shows out of 100 would have played it exactly that way. It's easy to tell from the youtube and twitter reactions that a lot of people expected exactly that and were completely blindsided by the "red wedding". Obviously sophisticated viewers and the people who read the books weren't shocked but most TV viewers were expecting exactly the kind of "good guys vs bad guys" fantasy story they've always gotten on TV.
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Feb 17, 2015 07:10
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LXG is legitimately great and Alan Moore understands that you can use repellent concepts like rape and brutal murder in works of fiction without implying that they are good or right. He could never be accused of bowing to good taste though. I did think the invisible man scene was gratuitous to start and that the reveal would have worked as a killing, but the point is to show that even though Nemo has been openly advocating genocide against the English and referring to himself as a 'monster' throughout the book, he realises that he is still far more human than Hyde and reacts to the discovery like most people would by trying to kill him.
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Feb 17, 2015 07:15
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Squidster posted:Uh... that's not generally the societally acceptable response to a rape scene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPunyM6eiPo It's a very well written scene.
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BrigadierSensible posted:He rapes the invisible man to death because the invisible man raped Mina, and Hyde had grown to respect her. It's awesome because of the reveal at dinner, (also what he reveals at dinner about where Dr Jeckyl went and why), but also in what it says about the character of Hyde, who up until that point is seen as a horrible monster There's nothing "totally badass" about it. Hyde is like Rorschach in Watchmen, if you find yourself go "yeah, that's the way to do it!" at him you're supposed to realize just what you're rooting for and that you're probably a sociopath. Pilchenstein posted:Swordfish was loving terrible. They put that mental slow motion explosion at the start and nothing else in the film is even half as impressive. It's like a porno that starts with the money shot. My Lovely Horse has a new favorite as of 08:32 on Feb 17, 2015 |
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Feb 17, 2015 08:28
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Like how Mike Nelson has Roadhouse as his barometer for deciding whether a movie is good or not, Swordfish is how I judge all movies. : "Man, Birdman was great!" "Yeah, but was it better than Swordfish?"
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(LXG comics) Mr. Hyde is NOT a noble character, and it's not like, "wow, he's so cool for doing this". He IS a monster. But the way the scene is presented is surprising, in-character and incredibly dark. This is the scene where his nature is explored - Mr. Hyde is Dr Jeckyl's id, seperated from his ego and superego. Jeckyl was trying to get rid of the aspects of himself that he finds abhorrent, which ironically are really petty things. Stuff like occasionally shoplifting, and having homosexual thoughts. Only by this point Hyde has grown humongous, and Jeckyl is basically withering away, appearing less and less as the books go on. Without Hyde, Jeckyl has no drive, no passion. Without Jeckyl, Hyde has no limitations. Alan Moore is more than capable of presenting you with a monster in a way which is enthralling and thoughtful. My [ir]rationally irritating movie moment is that none of the characters' subtleties were explored in the mediocre popcorn flick we were presented with. Mina, who in the comics is a resourceful, capable and jaded human being, is written into the movie as some kind of magic flying kate beckinsale bullshit. It misses the point of the character completely.
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Ignite Memories posted:(LXG comics) My [ir]rationally irritating movie moment is that none of the characters' subtleties were explored in the mediocre popcorn flick we were presented with. Mina, who in the comics is a resourceful, capable and jaded human being, is written into the movie as some kind of magic flying kate beckinsale bullshit. It misses the point of the character completely. As much as I enjoy the movie for what it is, this was the biggest letdown. I was looking forward to a "strong female character" outside of the Whedon-mold, and, welp.
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Len posted:I'll ask here because it would be safer than asking in TVIV, when does GoT get good(lack of a better word). I've tried watching it five or six times now but the first couple episodes are just really dry and boring to me and can't hold my attention so I've never gotten past them. I keep hearing how amazing and good the series is so I feel like I'm missing something but I just haven't gotten hooked. It gets good as soon as you get to know the characters well. How long that'll take is up to you and your personal nerdiness, honestly. I'd say probably about 4-5 episodes for most people. Len posted:I thought the reveal was neat. Hyde was sitting at the dinner table eating and then slowly blood starts to show on him. Turns out even the Invisible Mans blood was invisible as long as he was alive. Everyone at the table is of course repulsed that this happens. I think the reason Hyde did it was because the Invisible Man sold everyone out to the Martians and attacked (raped?) Mina. I haven't actually read it I've just seen the panels. That same scene works if he'd just beat the guy to death.  You goons is hosed up.My Lovely Horse posted:It's made pretty clear that Griffin didn't rape Mina, and the whole point of the scene is that Hyde, who up until then has been shown to be able to act (relatively) calm and courteous, is a horrible monster. He doesn't kill Griffin the way he does as an "eye for an eye" thing, just because he can and feels like it, and then it's done. He just calmly sits down to dinner and Griffin is an afterthought from then on. That makes a bit more sense. Honestly I kinda liked LXG the movie for the cheesy romp it was, always wanted to read the comics but never got around to it. Zaphod42 has a new favorite as of 17:34 on Feb 17, 2015 |
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Che Delilas posted:Sometimes they do the "these guys are both so goddamn good that if one of them moves enough to fire, the other will be able to react and fire back, resulting in mutual destruction" thing. Which is still garbage.
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CannonFodder posted:It worked in Equilibrium, but that's because the movie built up the whole 'gun kata' thing so when two highly trained people meet it's a stalemate even after the shots start flying. It works in Equilibrium (I assume you mean the final fight) because of how close they are, they're deflecting each others hands/arms, not reacting to fired bullets. The fight basically ends when one of them finally gets a good shot lined up. That was the only real fight where they were equals all the other shootouts it was standard action hero stuff where Preston is just way better than everyone.
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Gary Oldman almost entirely ruins The Dark Knight because he whiffs a line so very badly at the end. Two Face is walking towards him and Oldman is crab walking backwards and Two Face says something to the effect of "My face was half blown up" and Oldman replies "I know I was there." Not "I know: I was there." or "I know...I was there." or "I know, I was there." or even a simple "I know, I was there." but a totally out of place and nonsense statement that, in fact, Jim Gordon knows that he, Jim Gordon, was at that location. I was so absorbed by that point in the theater that that line reading was like a physical SNAP that made me look around. I've hated Gary Oldman even before he turned out to be a skinhead.
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Aleph Null posted:As much as I enjoy the movie for what it is, this was the biggest letdown. I was looking forward to a "strong female character" outside of the Whedon-mold, and, welp. I thought it was dumb that they added in Tom Sawyer as a character just to get some America into the movie.
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Dr_Amazing posted:I thought it was dumb that they added in Tom Sawyer as a character just to get some America into the movie. Because kids nowadays are all about that crazy Tom Sawyer and that scamp Huckleberry Finn Talk about bad decisions
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Duke Igthorn posted:I've hated Gary Oldman even before he turned out to be a skinhead. Hang on, what?
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I, Butthole posted:Hang on, what? He made a statement at some point defending Mel Gibson and the "Jews run Hollywood" thing. I don't know, I dont really pay attention to celebrity news much.
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Feb 18, 2015 05:42
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I, Butthole posted:Hang on, what? “I don’t know about Mel. He got drunk and said a few things, but we’ve all said those things. We’re all loving hypocrites. That’s what I think about it. The policeman who arrested him has never used the word friend of the family or that loving Jew? I’m being brutally honest here. It’s the hypocrisy of it that drives me crazy. Or maybe I should strike that and say “the N word” and “the F word,” though there are two F words now.” “Alec calling someone an F-A-G in the street while he’s pissed off coming out of his building because they won’t leave him alone. I don’t blame him. So they persecute. Mel Gibson is in a town that’s run by Jews and he said the wrong thing because he’s actually bitten the hand that I guess has fed him—and doesn’t need to feed him anymore because he’s got enough dough. He’s like an outcast, a leper, you know? But some Jewish guy in his office somewhere hasn’t turned and said, “That loving kraut” or “gently caress those Germans,” whatever it is? We all hide and try to be so politically correct. That’s what gets me. It’s just the sheer hypocrisy of everyone, that we all stand on this thing going, “Isn’t that shocking?” [smiles wryly] All right. Shall I stop talking now? What else can we discuss?” In an interview with gossip site TMZ, the officer in question denied ever using such language. "I'm Jewish, and why would I say that to discredit my own religious makeup?" said former LA County sheriff's deputy James Mee. "The N-word is a scary word. I would never even dream of using it. It sickens me that anyone would use that word." He added: "I feel sorry for people that need to say things about other people in order to justify themselves."
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Supreme Allah posted:It works in Equilibrium (I assume you mean the final fight) because of how close they are, they're deflecting each others hands/arms, not reacting to fired bullets. The fight basically ends when one of them finally gets a good shot lined up. Yeah, that was a fistfight with a twist, not a gun standoff (still pretty cool looking though).
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Duke Igthorn posted:“I don’t know about Mel. He got drunk and said a few things, but we’ve all said those things. We’re all loving hypocrites. That’s what I think about it. The policeman who arrested him has never used the word friend of the family or that loving Jew? I’m being brutally honest here. It’s the hypocrisy of it that drives me crazy. Or maybe I should strike that and say “the N word” and “the F word,” though there are two F words now.” I think skinhead might be a little much if that's the end of the quote. Also, he played a black pimp in True Romance; Checkmate. Brother Tadger has a new favorite as of 06:38 on Feb 18, 2015 |
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Wow, gently caress Gary oldman. What a piece of poo poo. I'm not gonna pay to see any of his movies in the near future and I'm not sure I can watch his past movies without feeling weird when he's on screen. Except Leon, that was a classic. Oh and I have to watch the dark knight trilogy at least once a year. But other than those exceptions, gently caress him Well the family likes the Harry potter movies and they're lots of fun so I should probably allow them to cuz he's not the main character Oh, Dracula by Francis ford Coppola is such an interesting movie visually and oldman chews up the scenery all over the place so that's gonna have to be an exception. But other than those ten or so movies, no more!!
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Regardless he still whiffed that loving line so badly I'd like to hit him.
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He's British. Casual racism/insensitivity is kind of par for the course. That and loving up speaking in an American accent.
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Duke Igthorn posted:“I don’t know about Mel. He got drunk and said a few things, but we’ve all said those things. We’re all loving hypocrites. That’s what I think about it. The policeman who arrested him has never used the word friend of the family or that loving Jew? I’m being brutally honest here. It’s the hypocrisy of it that drives me crazy. Or maybe I should strike that and say “the N word” and “the F word,” though there are two F words now.” In the immortal words of Dave Chapelle, "As a person who says nigga a lot, that nigga says nigga all the time!"
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I always thought it was kinda funny that no one cared that Mel Gibson committed an actual crime with the drunk driving. Just the crazy racist rant that made people hate him.
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I always thought it was kinda funny that Mel Gibson ranted about The Jews controlling everything and then to show what a deluded racist he is The Jews cast him out of Hollywood.
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Feb 18, 2015 11:15
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Dewgy posted:He's British. Casual racism/insensitivity is kind of par for the course. 
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In Fargo (the tv series), the lead detective's name is Molly Solverson. That's the laziest symbolic naming I've ever heard.
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Henchman of Santa posted:In Fargo (the tv series), the lead detective's name is Molly Solverson. That's the laziest symbolic naming I've ever heard. You say that but the rare element in Avatar is called Unobtainium might as well have called it That'dbehandyium
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EmmyOk posted:You say that but the rare element in Avatar is called Unobtainium might as well have called it That'dbehandyium Well, that is different because unobtanium is a term used for impossible to find poo poo outside of that movie. Like, the nerds in the world might have been calling it that, so it's not exactly unrealistic, but it does sort of jump out at you so it probably would have been better left out.
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EmmyOk posted:You say that but the rare element in Avatar is called Unobtainium might as well have called it That'dbehandyium I feel like I've seen a ton of these lazy symbolic names lately, and they do irk me, but nothing comes to mind right now. Funny enough I only recently realized where the name Adamantium comes from. I guess I was introduced to X-MEN before I had a very big vocabulary. Although that's how metals get their name IRL anyways, like Titanium
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Trent posted:Well, that is different because unobtanium is a term used for impossible to find poo poo outside of that movie. Like, the nerds in the world might have been calling it that, so it's not exactly unrealistic, but it does sort of jump out at you so it probably would have been better left out. The second you obtain something, you should give it a proper name. It's clearly obtanium at that point.
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Disgusting Coward posted:I always thought it was kinda funny that Mel Gibson ranted about The Jews controlling everything and then to show what a deluded racist he is The Jews cast him out of Hollywood.
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Zaphod42 posted:Funny enough I only recently realized where the name Adamantium comes from. I guess I was introduced to X-MEN before I had a very big vocabulary. Adamantium is from Greek mythology. It's the nigh-unbreakable divine metal used to make the Gates of Tartarus, the chains of Prometheus, and other things meant to restrain deities.
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Duke Igthorn posted:Gary Oldman almost entirely ruins The Dark Knight because he whiffs a line so very badly at the end. The Dark Knight is really badly edited for dialogue and contains a lot of uncomfortably cramped line readings. The worst offender is in the party scene when Batman busts in from off-camera and mumbles Then you're gonna love me in a bored monotone. It blows all the tension built up by the score and Heath Ledger's scary monologue and just kills the scene stone dead. Also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zja3pcPMszc
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I'm assuming this is "THINGS ARE WORSE THAN EVER" guy. I think he's hilarious but none of my friends get why it's so bad.
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Byzantine posted:Adamantium is from Greek mythology. It's the nigh-unbreakable divine metal used to make the Gates of Tartarus, the chains of Prometheus, and other things meant to restrain deities. No, that's just "adamant" or "adamantine". It's a Latin neologism; I'm not sure what the original Greek word was, if it was used at all. Regardless of the source, he's right that "adamantium" comes from "adamant".
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EmmyOk posted:I'm assuming this is "THINGS ARE WORSE THAN EVER" guy. I think he's hilarious but none of my friends get why it's so bad. I can definitely see some of the delivery being considered lovely, but on the other hand, it's a comic book movie. No matter how good you make it, flubbed writing and awkward delivery are pretty much just delivering on what you come to expect from comic books. 
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Dewgy posted:I can definitely see some of the delivery being considered lovely, but on the other hand, it's a comic book movie. No matter how good you make it, flubbed writing and awkward delivery are pretty much just delivering on what you come to expect from comic books. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ3B5FbBzIo
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EmmyOk posted:I'm assuming this is "THINGS ARE WORSE THAN EVER" guy. I think he's hilarious but none of my friends get why it's so bad. Genuinely thought it would be this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPP6XAsPbz8
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