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CommieGIR posted:What is Jrod's view of Rand Paul starring in a Homophobic documentary? "We should allow him to clarify his statements about how homosexuals are destroying this nation and should be driven back into the closet. If he really meant those things, why hasn't he committed multiple homicides against homosexuals?"
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Who What Now posted:"We should allow him to clarify his statements about how homosexuals are destroying this nation and should be driven back into the closet. If he really meant those things, why hasn't he committed multiple homicides against homosexuals?" I thought it was more along the lines of "You are the one labeling him as homophobic!"
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Feb 19, 2015 01:20
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"I'm really not interested in whether or not Rand Paul is homophobic and wouldn't defend him if he was." *posts eight more lengthy paragraphs about precisely that, and does*
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Feb 19, 2015 01:25
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"Accusing someone as homophobic is just as equally charged as accusations of racism. I've read everything Rand has written and I simply don't see him being homophobic. He simply supports people's rights to free association, specifically the right to never associate with the gays. Maybe you guys could put down the guns for once and let us use guns to drive the queers out of town!"
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Feb 19, 2015 01:36
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Who What Now posted:"Accusing someone as homophobic is just as equally charged as accusations of racism. I've read everything Rand has written and I simply don't see him being homophobic. He simply supports people's rights to free association, specifically the right to never associate with the gays. Maybe you guys could put down the guns for once and let us use guns to drive the queers out of town!" That's Jrod thinking. Yep.
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Feb 19, 2015 01:40
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Rhjamiz posted:Apparently Kevin Sorbo is not only a hardcore religious conservative, he's also an AnCap/Libertarian. As are Tuvok and Ensign Kim; Why would you shoot a movie and make it look like a cheap video. I mean, one of the benefits of digital cameras is that you can get that film look without having to go through the trouble of film. And yet, you use this amazing technology to shoot something that looks like a 90s sitcom because it looks like video. And then the sound mixing. The music is too high for you to hear the dialog. And then the editing of the trailer. You have no clue what's happening or what the film is about, and it's massively boring. Why does libertarian art always suck? First, Atlas Shrugged was one of the worst novels I have ever seen and now this.
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Feb 19, 2015 02:00
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Cemetry Gator posted:Why does libertarian art always suck? First, Atlas Shrugged was one of the worst novels I have ever seen and now this. You forget The Probability Broach.
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Feb 19, 2015 02:05
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Cemetry Gator posted:Why would you shoot a movie and make it look like a cheap video. I mean, one of the benefits of digital cameras is that you can get that film look without having to go through the trouble of film. And yet, you use this amazing technology to shoot something that looks like a 90s sitcom because it looks like video. Apparently the book's author is hilarious too! quote:From a facebook discussion, IP libertarian and novelist J. Neil Schulman says to me: Something really special about a libertarian threatening to defend his intellectual property rights with deadly force.
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Feb 19, 2015 02:26
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Bonus round! quote:The argument of Copying is Not Theft is that by copying a novel, a song, a movie, the owner is still in possession of the original and therefore by making a copy nobody is doing anything to deprive the owner of the original of anything of value. I suspect he worries so much about theft because no one is buying his books. I do have news for him however, no one is buying his movie or his books because they are awful. Torrent is not his problem, his problem is that he has an awful product being offered to self-entitled middle class white males who don't like paying for poo poo because 'information should be free... man' Edit: I can't stop posting about this poo poo! quote:The story is set in United States experiencing economic collapse, with inflation increasing rapidly and the government struggling to keep its power. Trading in foreign currency has become illegal and many shops are subject to rationing. As a result there is a black market for most goods. The setting represents the world as Samuel Edward Konkin III conceived it would be just prior to a successful agorist revolution. Guess who Kevin Sorbo plays in the film. He plays Dr. Martin Vreeland. They got loving Kevin Sorbo to play a Nobel Laureate economist. Caros fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Feb 19, 2015 |
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Feb 19, 2015 02:31
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Mister Adequate posted:You forget The Probability Broach.  The funny part about the novel is that L. Neil Smith really thinks that his little utopia would exist if everything like he says happens in that lovely book.
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Feb 19, 2015 02:48
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Caros posted:Apparently the book's author is hilarious too! And there's something equally funny about a libertarian saying "Believing in IP leads you to threaten people with murder." And that was said by Stephen Kinsella, the giant that I had to reckon with according to Jrodefeld. You get that Jrod. You listen to absolute idiots who wouldn't understand a good idea if it came to them naturally.
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Feb 19, 2015 03:42
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I thought that libertarians didn't believe in IP laws?
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Feb 19, 2015 03:43
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Who What Now posted:I thought that libertarians didn't believe in IP laws? It tends to be all over the place. Some do, some don't. In this instance he really likes them because he feels like he is being stolen from.
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Feb 19, 2015 03:48
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Caros posted:It tends to be all over the place. Some do, some don't. In this instance he really likes them because he feels like he is being stolen from. Rand believed so fervently in IP that she apparently believe it should be applied to other people's actual physical property. The hero of The Fountainhead is an architect who dynamites a building because the person who actually owns it compromised his artistic vision. Rand has the architect, Roark, vindicated and rewarded for this. Incidentally, you won't be able to find this on the wikipedia summary because for some reason it isn't mentioned, but Roark's artistic vision for the building was compromised because the owner used it as a home for mentally disabled children and social workers. That is, Roark designed a beautiful building that was BEFOULED by RETARDS and LOOTERS so he blew it up, and he was not only right to do so but he is also legally exonerated despite deliberately and with premeditation destroying millions of dollars of another person's real property. Also Roark rapes a woman who then falls in love with and marries him at the end of the book, because he was courageous enough to render mentally disabled children homeless. Ayn Rand was an insane piece of poo poo, etc. etc.
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Feb 19, 2015 04:54
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Rhjamiz posted:Apparently Kevin Sorbo is not only a hardcore religious conservative, he's also an AnCap/Libertarian. As are Tuvok and Ensign Kim; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdEQmpVIE4A
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Feb 19, 2015 05:02
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Rhjamiz posted:Oh, like, I said, I already knew he was a religious nut (thanks to that movie). I just didn't know he leaned AnCap too. Give it a few more years and libertarianism will be indistinguishable from conservatism. Not like there's much difference between them right now anyway. There was some guy who ran for some office in New Jersey who called himself a "libertarian". Interestingly enough, he was completely against abortion, reforming drug laws, and wanted to further build up the military and be more involved in world affairs. So what made him different from your typical Republican? The fact that he referred to himself as a libertarian.  Also, every time I see Kevin Sorbo in the news, I cry a little when I realize how nearly he seems to be the polar opposite of the character he played on T.V. 
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Feb 19, 2015 05:11
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EvanSchenck posted:The hero of The Fountainhead is an architect who dynamites a building because the person who actually owns it compromised his artistic vision. Rand has the architect, Roark, vindicated and rewarded for this. It's actually even funnier than that. The complex was affordable housing for the poor that Roark's rival Keating was supposed to design but Keating sucks so he secretly goes to Roark for help with it. Roark is like "I know, I'll make this into a bare concrete poor-can so it will actually turn a profit on the reduced poor-rents and people will see we don't need welfare because the poor can be profitably housed in joyless Eastern-bloc tenements" so he designs it and makes a secret contract with Keating that Keating wouldn't let the government change a single thing. Predictably, the whiny do-gooders and social-workers are like "hey jailing the poor in bare cells is kind of hosed up, maybe there should be some common areas and some recreation so they don't kill themselves" and when Keating says no they can't change it, the government is like "that's not the contract we had, you were paid to give us a design, you did, and how we build it is up to us." Roark blows up the building because the government changed the design that he freely gave them with no contract, but he's mad that his private bargain with Keating to help him fraudulently pass off Roark's design as his own didn't bind everyone else on earth who weren't parties to it and didn't even know about it.  "Hey here's my design, pretend it's yours and don't let them change anything, even though the contract you already signed says they have that right." "Oh sorry to tell you this but they exercised their right under the contract to change things." "Those thieving blasphemers!" 
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VitalSigns posted:It's actually even funnier than that. The complex was affordable housing for the poor that Roark's rival Keating was supposed to design but Keating sucks so he secretly goes to Roark for help with it. I'm stunned at how this book seems to get worse and worse the more people explain what's actually in it. 
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Feb 19, 2015 05:59
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Mr Interweb posted:I'm stunned at how this book seems to get worse and worse the more people explain what's actually in it. Once I move back to Saskatoon in a month or two I'm seriously pondering doing a Let's Read of either Fountainhead or Atlas Shrugged for comedy value alone.
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Feb 19, 2015 06:01
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Caros posted:Once I move back to Saskatoon in a month or two I'm seriously pondering doing a Let's Read of either Fountainhead or Atlas Shrugged for comedy value alone. I dunno, a retsuraito or retsuriido or something? Make sure to take Skype calls from other goons in this thread!
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Feb 19, 2015 06:03
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Rhjamiz posted:Apparently Kevin Sorbo is not only a hardcore religious conservative, he's also an AnCap/Libertarian. As are Tuvok and Ensign Kim; This is the only quote in the entire trailer:  "This movie contains moving images, and also sound."
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Feb 19, 2015 06:13
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Caros posted:Once I move back to Saskatoon in a month or two I'm seriously pondering doing a Let's Read of either Fountainhead or Atlas Shrugged for comedy value alone. I'd ask you if you're really willing to flush a few dozen hours down the drain, but then again this is the Jrodefeld Debate Thread, so we're all committed to that already.
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Feb 19, 2015 06:15
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Caros posted:Once I move back to Saskatoon in a month or two I'm seriously pondering doing a Let's Read of either Fountainhead or Atlas Shrugged for comedy value alone. I'd participate.
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Muscle Tracer posted:I'd ask you if you're really willing to flush a few dozen hours down the drain, but then again this is the Jrodefeld Debate Thread, so we're all committed to that already. Pretty much, yeah. I haven't read Atlas Shrugged or The Fountainhead since I was in junior high, so if nothing else it'd be entertaining.
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Feb 19, 2015 06:19
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Caros posted:Once I move back to Saskatoon in a month or two I'm seriously pondering doing a Let's Read of either Fountainhead or Atlas Shrugged for comedy value alone. While I (and many others, I'm sure) would enjoy that, I can't in good conscience ask someone to willingly suffer through such things. JRode hasn't won just yet. Some of us still have a semblance of humanity remaining!
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Feb 19, 2015 06:48
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Caros posted:Pretty much, yeah. I haven't read Atlas Shrugged or The Fountainhead since I was in junior high, so if nothing else it'd be entertaining. You could do Anthem if you want some lighter reading, but it's also not NEARLY as crazy as AS or Fountainhead. It's a lot weaker and more generic about its "grr government and collectivism bad, selfish individuals good". It did have one great scene where because the government was so collectivist and so statist, they condemn Our Hero for rediscovering the flashlight/light box. (Note also that in this world we are so collectivist that it is illegal to say "I", you have to say "we" for some reason): quote:"So you think that you have found a new power," said Collective 0-0009. "Do all your brothers think that?" tldr; statists think of the government and its bureaucracy like a religion, an individual making a scientific discovery on their own is heresy that must be destroyed. E: Also you can read the whole book for free on gutenberg.org
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My girlfriend recommended I read Anthem...is our relationship doomed?
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Feb 19, 2015 07:50
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Uroboros posted:My girlfriend recommended I read Anthem...is our relationship doomed? Maybe it's a test, where you say "I have read this book, and it was poorly-written garbage" and she's relieved that you aren't a weak-minded libertarian
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Feb 19, 2015 09:32
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Roark sounds like a crazy supervillain just saying
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Feb 19, 2015 10:31
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QuarkJets posted:Maybe it's a test, where you say "I have read this book, and it was poorly-written garbage" and she's relieved that you aren't a weak-minded libertarian Well she is pretty conservative, but I am not sure if having libertarian leanings on top of this means our relationship has any long-term potential.
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Uroboros posted:Well she is pretty conservative, but I am not sure if having libertarian leanings on top of this means our relationship has any long-term potential. I'm not a big believer in vetting for political leanings in my love life, but there are limits.
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Disinterested posted:I'm not a big believer in vetting for political leanings in my love life, but there are limits. I'm of course being a bit of a smartass, we get along fine. That being said, going from simply being in a committed relationship to marriage/raising children seems like significant political disagreements could be a real obstacle down the road.
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Caros posted:Pretty much, yeah. I haven't read Atlas Shrugged or The Fountainhead since I was in junior high, so if nothing else it'd be entertaining. I vote for the Fountainhead. Atlas Shrugged has gotten its share of public mockery, but the Fountainhead apparently has a completely untapped well of surprises! I had no idea about the specifics of it beyond "hero architect blows up government buildings."
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Feb 19, 2015 13:12
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From a literary perspective they're both trainwrecks but The Fountainhead is probably the more readable one.
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Mr Interweb posted:While I (and many others, I'm sure) would enjoy that, I can't in good conscience ask someone to willingly suffer through such things. dehumanize yourself and face to politicking e: In the same vein as Caros' Let's Read, would anyone be interested in watching/participating in a Let's Watch of the anti-gay documentary Light Wins, the one Rand Paul is in, when it releases later this month? Who What Now fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Feb 19, 2015 |
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Feb 19, 2015 13:46
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Dr Pepper posted:Roark sounds like a crazy supervillain just saying The book literally opens with him standing alone in a heroic pose on a cliff.
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Who What Now posted:dehumanize yourself and face to politicking Maybe, how would you be going about it?
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Feb 19, 2015 15:10
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paragon1 posted:Maybe, how would you be going about it? Well, I figured one of two ways. Either me and a few other posters watch it live with a few beers and rip on it or if no one wants to do that or aren't interested in watching that I'll watch it a few times and try to write a script and record that MST3k style.
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I'm down for it if you promise to record the commentary for people to play over the film rifftracks style.
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