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adventure in the sandbox
Nov 24, 2005



Things change


PRESIDENT GOKU posted:

Yea I'm calling you out on being a stupid with bad, prejudiced opinions on a breed because one bit you. It's like you want to be a dumb gimmick.

oh my loving god dude. Your dog is definitely a pit mix. They are absolutely prone to dog aggression, and also have prey drive. Mind your kids mind your cats.

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Supercondescending
Jul 4, 2007

ok frankies now lets get in formation
Can someone hold my hand

Triangulum
Oct 3, 2007

by Lowtax
chill out guys he owned a lab mix, he's an experienced dog owner

lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003
Guys when I was a kid a chinaman cut my dad off in traffic. Now I just don't like the Chinese and all of them are bad drivers. I don't perpetuate dumb stereotypes because it happened to me once.

Don't call me an idiot either, my defense mechanisms include hilarious attempts at redirection and futile attempts to roll with the punches.

Can someone tell me the requisite number of dogs one must own to be an Experienced Owner?

Triangulum
Oct 3, 2007

by Lowtax
just like with humans, some breeds are just born bad

adventure in the sandbox
Nov 24, 2005



Things change


PRESIDENT GOKU posted:

Guys when I was a kid a chinaman cut my dad off in traffic. Now I just don't like the Chinese and all of them are bad drivers. I don't perpetuate dumb stereotypes because it happened to me once.

Hint: Super's story might have possibly maybe been a tall tale

Hint: A single past lab mix does not make one an experienced dog owner. Labs are Dog101, they are great starter dogs.


EDIT: the dog Super was bitten by was a schnauzer named Schatzi

Supercondescending
Jul 4, 2007

ok frankies now lets get in formation
I've owned, fostered, worked, and studied APBTs for over a decade, starting out with shelter mixes, moving on to hogging, and eventually deep game bred dogs. I spend the majority of my pathetic life obsessing over and trying to learn more about APBT's. Please remain calm.

Silver Nitrate
Oct 17, 2005

WHAT
Hey I'm thinking about getting a greyhound. I live in a busy apartment where a lot of my neigbors have pet rabbits and walk them along on leashes. Also they are banned in my contract but my vet is gonna write it down as a doberman mix -wink wink nudge nudge- there is nothing wrong with my brillant plan, right

Silver Nitrate fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Feb 19, 2015

adventure in the sandbox
Nov 24, 2005



Things change


Superconsndar posted:

I've owned, fostered, worked, and studied APBTs for over a decade, starting out with shelter mixes, moving on to hogging, and eventually deep game bred dogs. I spend the majority of my pathetic life obsessing over and trying to learn more about APBT's. Please remain calm.

:captainpop:

Supercondescending
Jul 4, 2007

ok frankies now lets get in formation
WOWza

Invalid Octopus
Jun 30, 2008

When is dinner?

PRESIDENT GOKU posted:

Guys when I was a kid a chinaman cut my dad off in traffic. Now I just don't like the Chinese and all of them are bad drivers. I don't perpetuate dumb stereotypes because it happened to me once.

Don't call me an idiot either, my defense mechanisms include hilarious attempts at redirection and futile attempts to roll with the punches.

Can someone tell me the requisite number of dogs one must own to be an Experienced Owner?

Super is messing with you cus she has an APBT, see:

slicing up eyeballs
Oct 19, 2005

I got me two olives and a couple of limes


Invalid Octopus posted:

Super is messing with you cus she has an APBT, see:

Dane mix

ButWhatIf
Jun 24, 2009

HA HA HA
Hi, I'm a professional dog trainer who makes a living off telling people about dog behavior.

There, now you know that I'm not "that dude" or "some jerk" or whatever the gently caress you wanna use to dismiss my opinions.

Yes, that dog you impulse adopted is a pit mix. Pit bulls have a notoriously strong prey drive, are generally not very great with smaller animals (or other dogs), and if your landlord includes them in their banned breed list, it is a terrible idea to lie to them and expect them to not evict you or fine you or something similar. I would never recommend one for someone living in an apartment with a small child and also a cat. I also really really think the shelter did a terrible job placing the dog if they didn't even ask to see your rental agreement to check their banned breed list. I would not trust that shelter to choose the correct owners and if the dog is heartworm positive I also do not trust that shelter to not completely gently caress you over on future vet stuff and medication costs.

I hope this has been helpful to you and that you will now stop throwing a gay baby tantrum and using "chinaman" to try to prove some point?

Supercondescending
Jul 4, 2007

ok frankies now lets get in formation
Everything you've said thus far has made me incredibly fearful of you bringing anything mixed with pit into an apartment setup with a cat and a kid. Like, I realize this makes you angry and you have preconceived notions about what you're getting into based on rescue propoganda you've consumed re: pit type dogs (this includes American Pit Bull Terriers, American Staffordshire Terriers, Staffordshire Terriers, Bull Terriers, and American Bullys, not sure where you came up with this weird breed names from earlier but I hope it wasn't "dog breed info.com") but the best thing to do if you're dead set on this dog is to start properly researching pit bulls and how they work like yesterday. We're not telling you this to poo poo post, but to save you potential loss and heartache.

Supercondescending fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Feb 19, 2015

lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003

ButWhatIf posted:

Hi, I'm a professional dog trainer who makes a living off telling people about dog behavior.

There, now you know that I'm not "that dude" or "some jerk" or whatever the gently caress you wanna use to dismiss my opinions.

Yes, that dog you impulse adopted is a pit mix. Pit bulls have a notoriously strong prey drive, are generally not very great with smaller animals (or other dogs), and if your landlord includes them in their banned breed list, it is a terrible idea to lie to them and expect them to not evict you or fine you or something similar. I would never recommend one for someone living in an apartment with a small child and also a cat. I also really really think the shelter did a terrible job placing the dog if they didn't even ask to see your rental agreement to check their banned breed list. I would not trust that shelter to choose the correct owners and if the dog is heartworm positive I also do not trust that shelter to not completely gently caress you over on future vet stuff and medication costs.

I hope this has been helpful to you and that you will now stop throwing a gay baby tantrum and using "chinaman" to try to prove some point?

Wow I don't know what to say. I had no idea there were so many train dog psychology professionals on Something Awful.

Please forgive me for not taking the opinions of a guy who posts poo poo like this or this or this seriously. The guy started making GBS threads in my thread from the start then back pedals and says "Oh no dude! I'm just messin'! I've been raising pit bulls for 1/3 of my life!"

I've clearly stumbled into some clique where there are known poo poo posters with accepted idiosyncrasies and gimmicks,in which outsiders are not allowed, and are promptly shouted down for not 'taking advice' when given.

This forum is literally worse than TFR and SH/SC combined.

Superconsndar posted:

Everything you've said thus far has made me incredibly fearful of you bringing anything mixed with pit into an apartment setup with a cat and a kid. Like, I realize this makes you angry and you have preconceived notions about what you're getting into based on rescue propoganda you've consumed re: pit type dogs (this includes American Pit Bull Terriers, American Staffordshire Terriers, Bull Terriers, and American Bullys, not sure where you came up with this weird breed names from earlier but I hope it wasn't "dog breed info.com") but the best thing to do if you're dead set on this dog is to start properly researching pit bulls and how they work like yesterday. We're not telling you this to poo poo post, but to save you potential loss and heartache.

gently caress. I don't live in a loving appartment stop assuming I live in an apartment. And it's your remorseless shitposting and childishness that made me angry. How completely stupid do you have to be to not realize you acted like an absolute oval office and that maybe is what put me on the defensive.

Supercondescending
Jul 4, 2007

ok frankies now lets get in formation
This is the biggest meltdown I've ever seen

adventure in the sandbox
Nov 24, 2005



Things change


PRESIDENT GOKU posted:

Wow I don't know what to say. I had no idea there were so many train dog psychology professionals on Something Awful.

Please forgive me for not taking the opinions of a guy who posts poo poo like this or this or this seriously. The guy started making GBS threads in my thread from the start then back pedals and says "Oh no dude! I'm just messin'! I've been raising pit bulls for 1/3 of my life!"

I've clearly stumbled into some clique where there are known poo poo posters with accepted idiosyncrasies and gimmicks,in which outsiders are not allowed, and are promptly shouted down for not 'taking advice' when given.

This forum is literally worse than TFR and SH/SC combined.


gently caress. I don't live in a loving appartment stop assuming I live in an appartment.

Uhhh BWI is the only dog trainer posting to you?

"Lurk more" is ancient history but seriously get archives and look into the post history of Forums Poster Superconductor aka Superconsdar.

Supercondescending
Jul 4, 2007

ok frankies now lets get in formation
I just wanted to warn him about prey drive


I hosed up

Supercondescending
Jul 4, 2007

ok frankies now lets get in formation
*bangs head against wall while slapping self in face*

ButWhatIf
Jun 24, 2009

HA HA HA

PRESIDENT GOKU posted:

Wow I don't know what to say. I had no idea there were so many train dog psychology professionals on Something Awful.

I've clearly stumbled into some clique where there are known poo poo posters with accepted idiosyncrasies and gimmicks,in which outsiders are not allowed, and are promptly shouted down for not 'taking advice' when given.

This forum is literally worse than TFR and SH/SC combined.


Then get the gently caress out. Seriously. If you went into TFR and started posting about your garbage trigger discipline and people told you to straighten the gently caress up and you threw as big a loving tantrum as you have here, you'd get banned. PI is loving FULL of people who are trainers, behavior specialists, breed fanciers, breeders, groomers, you name it. We know our goddamn poo poo and quite frankly it's gotten really old that we're expected to pat you on the butt and validate your bad choices while people who've done the work for decades on this stuff get told "this guy's just a jerk." What the gently caress ever happened to "lurk more," for god's sake? I guess PI is different somehow, hmm?

EDIT: "Huh dognerds on a forum about dognerdery WHO'D HAVE THUNK"

ButWhatIf fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Feb 19, 2015

ButWhatIf
Jun 24, 2009

HA HA HA
seriously mods, if you're looking at this, THIS is why we've all left. Changing the forum name won't do poo poo if you actually want people who know anything about pets or training or whatever to post here.

Supercondescending
Jul 4, 2007

ok frankies now lets get in formation

ButWhatIf posted:

seriously mods, if you're looking at this, THIS is why we've all left. Changing the forum name won't do poo poo if you actually want people who know anything about pets or training or whatever to post here.

This.

adventure in the sandbox
Nov 24, 2005



Things change


ButWhatIf posted:

seriously mods, if you're looking at this, THIS is why we've all left. Changing the forum name won't do poo poo if you actually want people who know anything about pets or training or whatever to post here.

Also let us rip into idiots. Don't ban us for bringing righteous doglady justice unto the unworthy.

ButWhatIf
Jun 24, 2009

HA HA HA
also ban people for calling other people "cunts" for giving reasonable advice. jesus.

Supercondescending
Jul 4, 2007

ok frankies now lets get in formation
And for rage locking threads after calling people "stupid fuckers," my goodness

LITERALLY A BIRD
Sep 27, 2008

I knew you were trouble
when you flew in

Hey give me a break, I don't spend ALL my time lurking PI threads

Supercondescending
Jul 4, 2007

ok frankies now lets get in formation

LITERALLY A BIRD posted:

Hey give me a break, I don't spend ALL my time lurking PI threads

You are a good mod. I have never posted this in public before. Birdmod Goodmod.

LITERALLY A BIRD
Sep 27, 2008

I knew you were trouble
when you flew in

:h:

Fraction
Mar 27, 2010

CATS RULE DOGS DROOL

FERRETS ARE ALSO PRETTY MEH, HONESTLY


PRESIDENT GOKU posted:

Can someone tell me the requisite number of dogs one must own to be an Experienced Owner?

If you've raised a dog before then I'd say you are an experienced owner. People itt are trolling, mate. Claiming to be professionals working with dogs or that they foster dogs with THEIR backgrounds* is bullshit.

*Apparently one person itt let their 'shitbulls' kill small animals so why would you take their advice?

blue urban dream
Aug 8, 2011

Super is a lady. Don't assume that everyone who knows more about pits than you (which is everyone btw) is a man. That's profiling and it's wrong -

PRESIDENT GOKU posted:

chinaman

nm

Kluliss
Mar 6, 2011

Cake, is it a drug, or is it simply a delicious chocolatey piece of heaven?
On a serious nothing to do with the pit discussion, I need a bit of advice if anyone has any to offer.

We adopted a Staffie mix last Saturday and she's been pretty good so far apart from when an off-lead baby 5 month old husky bounced up to her and she air-snapped (thank god it was air) at him. (they then had a good sniff and were fine with each other.).

Our problem is this: she won't let my husband walk her any more, unless I'm also there. She only started doing this yesterday, but she did have a stressful day where I took her to the vet for the first time for a checkup, then hubby had friends over in the evening - they were fairly quiet and sedate, but I was out at an evening class at the time. I came home and she wagged her rear-end off and went back to sitting with my husband on the sofa next to his friend. After that though, he tried to take her for a walk and she refused, just backed up and wouldn't come out. I ended up going out with them just to make sure she got her last walk of the day.

Tried again this morning, she refused to be walked by him, just got distressed and kept trying to get back into the house which obvs is not good.

I'm giving her more space today as she's seen me all day every day since we got her, and she actually took herself back to her bed a little while ago rather than snoozing on the sofa where I am. (She sleeps a lot. She's fine, just old.)

What I want to do is get her to trust him again and let him walk her as I really don't want to be the only person she copes with, especially as I'm supposed to be going up to visit family for almost a week in the next month.

How do I sort this out please?!

Crappy mobile pic of her going 'Ooowooooooooo' at me for trying to take a picture.

Fraction
Mar 27, 2010

CATS RULE DOGS DROOL

FERRETS ARE ALSO PRETTY MEH, HONESTLY


Kluliss posted:

On a serious nothing to do with the pit discussion, I need a bit of advice if anyone has any to offer.

Okay first up you've had her less than a week. Chill.

She's been showing reluctance to let your husband walk her for all of a day. Again, chill.

Who feeds her atm? It should be your husband, to build a bond there. Hand feeding (getting training - teach her some fun tricks or see what she already knows!) works wonders for building trust. On walks, alternate when you're there and not. If she is showing reluctance to leave without you, have him take her out regardless and fill her big fat staffie mouth with handfuls of treats as soon as she'll take them. Staffies ain't dumb and they are sure as hell food motivated, so she should pick up the association pretty quick that husband walks without you = oodles of food.

Kluliss
Mar 6, 2011

Cake, is it a drug, or is it simply a delicious chocolatey piece of heaven?

Fraction posted:

Okay first up you've had her less than a week. Chill.

She's been showing reluctance to let your husband walk her for all of a day. Again, chill.

Who feeds her atm? It should be your husband, to build a bond there. Hand feeding (getting training - teach her some fun tricks or see what she already knows!) works wonders for building trust. On walks, alternate when you're there and not. If she is showing reluctance to leave without you, have him take her out regardless and fill her big fat staffie mouth with handfuls of treats as soon as she'll take them. Staffies ain't dumb and they are sure as hell food motivated, so she should pick up the association pretty quick that husband walks without you = oodles of food.

Can you tell I'm a first-time dog owner?

He tried the stuffing her face with Schmacko this morning and she still wouldn't budge. She'll go into the back garden with him but not the front or out on walks. We'll keep trying I guess and all treats and stuff will come from him for a while, see if it helps.

We both have been doing the training = food thing with her as dear god she is normally very food motivated...

Thanks Fraction, I'll try chilling out and not expecting too much for a while longer though!

Fraction
Mar 27, 2010

CATS RULE DOGS DROOL

FERRETS ARE ALSO PRETTY MEH, HONESTLY


Kluliss posted:

Can you tell I'm a first-time dog owner?

yup :haw: anxiety over every little thing of a new dog is totally common though, even for people who've had tons!

Is she just trying to dig her feet in and not budge at the door or outside? I don't let dogs (mine or foster dogs) do that - as long as they aren't afraid of something, if I say move then they are definitely moving ;)

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Jan 11, 2015

by zen death robot
This was glorious, the perfect compromise between PI circa 2009 and the PI of today.

Kluliss
Mar 6, 2011

Cake, is it a drug, or is it simply a delicious chocolatey piece of heaven?

Fraction posted:

yup :haw: anxiety over every little thing of a new dog is totally common though, even for people who've had tons!

Is she just trying to dig her feet in and not budge at the door or outside? I don't let dogs (mine or foster dogs) do that - as long as they aren't afraid of something, if I say move then they are definitely moving ;)

She refused to move both inside the house and outside - she came out when I called her but then wouldn't go with him. I went inside to see if she'd calm down and she got really upset.

I'm still working on the do as you're told and if I call you, you drat well come part of things...we'll get there at some point (I hope!)

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he


Cheers Fraction. When I tried to take her out last night and this morning she dug her heels in and kept jumping backwards to try and slip her collar / harness (she's a sly old girl). I'll persevere and give out ALL THE TREATS.

Kluliss
Mar 6, 2011

Cake, is it a drug, or is it simply a delicious chocolatey piece of heaven?

Party Boat posted:

Cheers Fraction. When I tried to take her out last night and this morning she dug her heels in and kept jumping backwards to try and slip her collar / harness (she's a sly old girl). I'll persevere and give out ALL THE TREATS.

How fortunate the rescue gave us a couple of big bags of Schmackos! (We're going to need them all...)

Triangulum
Oct 3, 2007

by Lowtax
You might wanna try a different treat on your walks too. Those pressed meat strip treats often aren't super high value and it's probably worth your time to figure out an extra awesome super special treat to help encourage her to walk with your husband.

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supernatural blonde
Mar 15, 2005

Lipstick Apathy
Chicken cheese

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