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The Warszawa posted:i think the "default" is actually shifting more towards navel-gazing quasi-autobiographical fiction concerned only with the immediate surroundings and relationships most important to the author and completely unconcerned with society outside that narrow sphere, which imo is "write what you know" taken to its perverse extreme
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pangstrom posted:Well man looks like I gave up litfic at the wrong time because that sounds GREAT. Memoir PLUS Connecticut kitchen malaise, who among us is not intrigued. anyone not white and/or vaguely upper middle class
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Feb 19, 2015 16:48
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nutranurse posted:anyone not white and/or vaguely upper middle class
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Feb 19, 2015 16:48
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pangstrom posted:also anyone else
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Feb 19, 2015 16:50
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even among upper class whites you're probably going to have to refine down some more to find someone interested in Connecticut kitchen island mayonnaise
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Feb 19, 2015 16:50
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Berke Negri posted:even among upper class whites you're probably going to have to refine down some more to find someone interested in Connecticut kitchen island mayonnaise i hang around the worst upper class whites then
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Feb 19, 2015 16:51
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nah you can generally skate by if you get culture critics on board because enough people will fake interest and buy a copy to conspicuously leave around at dinner parties
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The Warszawa posted:nah you can generally skate by if you get culture critics on board because enough people will fake interest and buy a copy to conspicuously leave around at dinner parties tho this is what i suspect is the case most times
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Feb 19, 2015 16:51
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What's the hot book thats like that right now
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Feb 19, 2015 16:52
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The Zouxening
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Feb 19, 2015 16:54
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i can't even remember what serious litfic book I've read last was and I am probably all the better spiritually for it
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Feb 19, 2015 16:54
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zoux posted:What's the hot book thats like that right now he's kinda old trendy-wise, but ive actually only met 1 other person who's read murakami and i have at least 5 friends who dont stop singing his praises 
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Feb 19, 2015 16:54
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im gonna continue my gimmick of repping Gentlemen of the Road as Chabon's best book and point out that he pitched it as "jews with swords"
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Feb 19, 2015 16:55
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confession time: i enjoy murder mysteries
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Feb 19, 2015 16:55
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i don't think murakami fits that mold but i also haven't read murakami unless the mold is "people say they've read it but haven't" i wasn't clear which thing zoux was referring to
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Feb 19, 2015 16:55
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why I gotta find that out about Atwood today of all days 
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The Warszawa posted:nah you can generally skate by if you get culture critics on board because enough people will fake interest and buy a copy to conspicuously leave around at dinner parties
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Feb 19, 2015 16:56
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The Warszawa posted:i don't think murakami fits that mold but i also haven't read murakami no murakami's great, and of the 2 books of his ive read i actually like them (after forcing myself through them the first times and trying a second time much later), it's just the people who crow about him who kind of suck
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Feb 19, 2015 16:56
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murakami is straight up genre fic tho
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My Imaginary GF posted:confession time: i enjoy murder mysteries is there any other kind of story
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paranoid randroid posted:im gonna continue my gimmick of repping Gentlemen of the Road as Chabon's best book and point out that he pitched it as "jews with swords" i desperately want some althist fic about the macabees
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Feb 19, 2015 16:57
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also its not really that big a deal to me that atwood doesnt like sci fi.
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zoux posted:murakami is straight up genre fic tho at most his work dips into magical realism, but he's far from genre fic as most would define it
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paranoid randroid posted:also its not really that big a deal to me that atwood doesnt like sci fi. no, it's not that she doesnt like it, i can get why she doesnt label her work as it too from a marketing standpoint, but its that she'll look down on scifi writers when she herself is a goddamned scifi writer no one likes hypocrites
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Feb 19, 2015 16:58
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Berke Negri posted:is there any other kind of story sex mystery books about trains seamus heany to make it clear, i find heany to be a genre by himself. all that irish poetry is....weirdddddd
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My Imaginary GF posted:confession time: i enjoy murder mysteries Also, you lawyer types might like Thus Adonis was Murdered and its sequels, about some London barristers who get to to dryly comedic hijinks.
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Feb 19, 2015 16:58
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Murakumi absolutely writes what would be called genre fiction in anyone else's hands, but he doesn't go in the book ghetto because idc tho because it's really good
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Feb 19, 2015 16:58
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wait, is litfiction as a definition just being used here as a stand in for what trendy white people name drop for signalling purposes
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Feb 19, 2015 16:59
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ReindeerF posted:Sure, yeah, see A Brief History Of Time. It's not a white phenomenon, it's a starfucker phenomenon. I don't care for Marky Mark in any venue, but that scene in The Departed where Dicaprio's character references Hawthorne or whatever and he says something like, "What's the mattah, you don't know any fuckin' Shakespeare?" is a fantastic encapsulation. lol when i first saw this post it read "starbucks phenomenon" (autocorrect i assume) and i was very, very confused i don't think it's an essentially white phenomenon it just can look like it is in the litfic context because of the demographics of the litfic club/"serious" cultural criticism etc. plus the usual "relatability/universality" poo poo
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Berke Negri posted:wait, is litfiction as a definition just being used here as a stand in for what trendy white people name drop for signalling purposes thats actually its real-life definition
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Berke Negri posted:wait, is litfiction as a definition just being used here as a stand in for what trendy white people name drop for signalling purposes why the gently caress havent you read the cold song yet?
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Feb 19, 2015 17:00
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Mayor Dave posted:Murakumi absolutely writes what would be called genre fiction in anyone else's hands, but he doesn't go in the book ghetto because i'd argue that magical realism isn't genre, but i can see why people say it is
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Feb 19, 2015 17:00
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zoux posted:Alien or Aliens? joeburz posted:both, two very different movies. Yeah, they're tonally very different. I would overall say that "Alien" might be a better-directed movie overall, but "Aliens" is more fun to watch.
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Feb 19, 2015 17:02
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nutranurse posted:
He straight up wrote a book about clones being raised on organ farms, come on son
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Feb 19, 2015 17:02
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my friend went through a couple classes where if she ever used vivid imagery or metaphor she would be asked by at least one person whether she was doing magical realism. price of writing while latina junot díaz with an interesting take on the writing pipeline/mfa programs
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Feb 19, 2015 17:03
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Mayor Dave posted:He straight up wrote a book about clones being raised on organ farms, come on son He ripped off Clonus?
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Feb 19, 2015 17:03
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ive never read murakami but I'd lie to white hipster girls that I had to impress them, so if that is what were using litfic to mean I explicitly understand now
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Feb 19, 2015 17:03
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would bulgakov be magical realism
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Feb 19, 2015 17:04
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I grew up in the rich part of Connecticut. The people there were rich entitled and disconnected assholes with houses that were too big and distressingly hollow lives. Kids with maids and closets full of unopened toys. Massive three-floor estates with only a parent, a kid, and two dogs. Wonderful public libraries funded by the estates of tobacco magnates. Three black children in a middle school of hundreds. Beautiful hiking trails and parks with cliffs and massive waterfalls and rivers surrounded by the homes of children whose parents were never home. They grew up awkward and spiteful, or good people who constantly felt alone and awkward.
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Mayor Dave posted:He straight up wrote a book about clones being raised on organ farms, come on son i was talkin bout his other stuff >_>, the two books i actually read 1Q84 and norwegian wood i totally only read those the first time to impress a girl too, but the second time through them was for fun
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