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Evil Mastermind posted:I'm still picking a few things up on re-reads, but overall I think this is a story that needed more than a single issue to really work with. It's like trying to jam Red Son into 30 pages. Isn't this structured like Seven Soldiers where every story will get multiple issues? I could be very wrong but that's what I thought.
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Senor Candle posted:Isn't this structured like Seven Soldiers where every story will get multiple issues? I could be very wrong but that's what I thought. Now, there may be some kind of further-sort-of-follow-up to things in the final MV issue. redbackground fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Feb 19, 2015 |
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Feb 19, 2015 17:29
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redbackground posted:One-shots for everybody. That makes sense. I'm not sure why I thought this was going to be like Seven Soldiers.
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Feb 19, 2015 17:31
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Morrison's said that these issues could serve as set-ups for ongoing series if other creators wanted to keep going with the worlds. That's probably what you're thinking of.
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Feb 19, 2015 17:36
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Evil Mastermind posted:Morrison's said that these issues could serve as set-ups for ongoing series if other creators wanted to keep going with the worlds. That's probably what you're thinking of. I can't wait for BEFORE PAX AMERICANA
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Feb 19, 2015 17:43
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Senor Candle posted:I can't wait for BEFORE PAX AMERICANA The world's first loose-leaf comic. Put the pages in whatever order you want!
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Feb 19, 2015 17:48
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Teenage Fansub posted:It's within the 60 years later 2016 section without any other time marker, but the Freedom Fighters unveiling scene has to be a flashback, right? The idea is that they are survivors in the sense that nearly everyone of their races were exterminated during WWII. Nobody wants to talk about how critical of America this issue was? Or how it paints modern Superman as a facist, having lost touch with his more socialist roots?
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Feb 19, 2015 18:03
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Senor Candle posted:I can't wait for BEFORE PAX AMERICANA Get Zack Snyder to direct the film.
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Feb 19, 2015 18:05
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Die Laughing posted:The idea is that they are survivors in the sense that nearly everyone of their races were exterminated during WWII. Thanks for giving my brain a jump start on this. It was an interesting albeit too brief combination of V for Vendetta and Red Son, minus the latter's misogyny. If Pax Americana was Morrison riffing on Moore, this was Morrison riffing on Millar. The super team of 1 dimensional jerks ala the replacement Authority, the bad guys winning ala Wanted, and the corrupted Superman ala Red Son all add up to create a comic that could be read as suggesting that we should pretty much through Millar's work in the fire.
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The Action Man posted:Thanks for giving my brain a jump start on this. I thought Millar's comics did that on their own?
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Feb 19, 2015 19:02
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The Action Man posted:a comic that could be read as suggesting that we should pretty much throw Millar's work in the fire. Ahhh, I love Grant Morrison.
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Wow, I actually forgot that Millar wrote Red Son. But you're right: it's totally Red Son, except that it's Ratzis instead of Commies. Superman still realizes that he's why the world is hosed up, and still tries to fix it by going too far in the other direction. The only real major difference is that in this case Superman tries to stop the regime himself instead of it being an outside force. What he obviously didn't expect was that his work with the Freedom Fighters would end up destroying a city full of innocents.
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Something else I just though of while going through the Guide: the entry for Earth 15 says that it was destroyed by Superboy-Prime in an event where "the structure of spacetime itself was irreparably damaged", which I'm guessing was part of one of the Final Crisis side stories. Has Prime even been mentioned in the New52 before this? As near as I can tell the original Crisis isn't part of the main continuity anymore.
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The Action Man posted:If Pax Americana was Morrison riffing on Moore, this was Morrison riffing on Millar. The super team of 1 dimensional jerks ala the replacement Authority, the bad guys winning ala Wanted, and the corrupted Superman ala Red Son all add up to create a comic that could be read as suggesting that we should pretty much through Millar's work in the fire. Millar's Authority (the exact arc with an issue ghostwritten by Moz) also had the Midnighter repalcement beating the poo poo out of Apollo held in the similar pose to Human Bomb. Not enough nazi-killing in this issue for my taste. Hoped for some great terrorism action, but the colony drop is also alright. Overman was better in Superman: Beyond: more raw, more vicious. Maybe because he was speaking German without "subtitles", maybe because Mahnke drew him not 100% like good guy boyscout Clark. loving Jim Lee.
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Evil Mastermind posted:Something else I just though of while going through the Guide: the entry for Earth 15 says that it was destroyed by Superboy-Prime in an event where "the structure of spacetime itself was irreparably damaged", which I'm guessing was part of one of the Final Crisis side stories. Has Prime even been mentioned in the New52 before this? As near as I can tell the original Crisis isn't part of the main continuity anymore.
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Feb 19, 2015 22:57
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FilthyImp posted:I think that's a sidelong reference to Countdown, or possibly just a reference to the crystal prison pocket dimension that help SBP during Infinite Crisis. You are correct, sir. It is a reference to Countdown #24. I murdered that imposter Superman and his pregnant wife before I destroyed the entire planet.
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Feb 19, 2015 23:23
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Cool, a gimmick account.
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Feb 19, 2015 23:25
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Senor Candle posted:Cool, a gimmick account. To be fair, as much as I hate them, that one makes sense. Maybe it really is Superboy Prime...
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Feb 19, 2015 23:30
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Evil Mastermind posted:The world's first loose-leaf comic. Put the pages in whatever order you want! Second. 
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Feb 19, 2015 23:36
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Oh man, America got conquered on Hitler's Birthday/420
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SPEAKING of superboy prime, did that Darkest Night Superboy Prime tie-in ever get followed up on?
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KaosMachina posted:SPEAKING of superboy prime, did that Darkest Night Superboy Prime tie-in ever get followed up on? That's what I was asking. As near as I can tell that's the last time Prime showed up until the Guide mention.
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I could've sworn SBP bothers the Teen Titans one last time after Blackest Night before getting shoved into the Source Wall right before the reboot.
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AFoolAndHisMoney posted:I could've sworn SBP bothers the Teen Titans one last time after Blackest Night before getting shoved into the Source Wall right before the reboot. You're correct. He also had some Doomsdays fight alongside him too I believe.
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Third, at minimum. (on a technicality!) DACK FAYDEN fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Feb 20, 2015 |
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Feb 20, 2015 07:07
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Ultra Comics preview and Gmo interview http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2015/03/exclusive-preview-interview-grant-morrison-unleash.html  
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Teenage Fansub posted:Ultra Comics preview and Gmo interview  Holy loving poo poo Grover is now apart of my nightmares.
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Teenage Fansub posted:Ultra Comics preview and Gmo interview The Multiversity was brought to you by the letter G for Gentry and the number 52 for being a little on the nose.
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So, um... Ultra Comics. Wow.
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It's not up on Comixology (at least the site) yet  A digital comic can't be haunted... can it?
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It's been up on comixology for at least an hour now, that's where I got it. ...why would I be the only person to see it? 
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Crusader posted:It's not up on Comixology (at least the site) yet https://www.comixology.com/The-Mult...C9pdGVtU2xpZGVy
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Oh, and by the way... Crusader posted:A digital comic can't be haunted... can it? The comic does take into account that you might be reading a digital copy or a physical one.
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Evil Mastermind posted:So, um... I feel it managed to live up to the hype. Jesus christ, "TURN THE PAGE. SLAVE." made me shudder. KaosMachina fucked around with this message at 09:55 on Mar 27, 2015 |
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Don't you see, though? The issue is a superhero in the form of a comic book, which is about a comic book in the form of a superhero. It makes the reader the creator, the threat, and the solution though the physical media and mental effects of narrative! We force the threat onto ourselves because we need to keep following the narrative, but we also defeat it by following the narrative and because the threat has the same inherent limitation of all fiction: it has to end. All I can think of is that line from Planetary: "We're in a strange relationship with our fiction". It's loving brilliant. This also kind of confirms a theory that I've had the last few times looking at the cover: that Ultra Comics isn't saying "NOT", but that might be added by the Gentry to stop us from reading the comic, because reading it is what defeats the invasion into our minds God I have so many words about this comic.
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Evil Mastermind posted:This also kind of confirms a theory that I've had the last few times looking at the cover: that Ultra Comics isn't saying "NOT", but that might be added by the Gentry to stop us from reading the comic, because reading it is what defeats the invasion into our minds So, you could say they edited that in? Like editors? The stuff about stories having to end ties in with the Anti-Death Equation and stuff. Glad we've looped back to that plot thread, in a way.
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The opening with Ultra "returning" to the start and being kept in an endless loop ties back into Pax Americana, too. And on a wider level, it's about how superhero comics are safe as they keep doing the same thing over and over, right? It's interesting that there's a knowing wink at the idea of "let's go back to when comics were innocent and fun!" in this issue, since people assumed that was the point of Thunderworld and Morrison has since refuted that idea in interviews, saying there's a lot of darkness in that story. Seems like there's two warring theses in Multiversity: one about how the corruptive influence of The Gentry changes things for the worse, whilst also suggesting that change is natural and necessary else you end up with the same safe, but bland superhero books? Or something?
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tenniseveryone posted:It's interesting that there's a knowing wink at the idea of "let's go back to when comics were innocent and fun!" in this issue, since people assumed that was the point of Thunderworld and Morrison has since refuted that idea in interviews, saying there's a lot of darkness in that story. quote:Seems like there's two warring theses in Multiversity: one about how the corruptive influence of The Gentry changes things for the worse, whilst also suggesting that change is natural and necessary else you end up with the same safe, but bland superhero books? Or something?
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I was reading Ultra Comics while getting some roti at this jamaican place, when the poo poo hit the fan in the book a reggae song in the restaurant was singing "I got my eye on you, we are stuck together like super glue..." Stupid haunted comics!
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