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MourningView posted:The Raiders have a pretty big fanbase in the area from the last time they were here even after moving and being terrible, I don't think that's going to decrease dramatically once they're actually playing here again. Oh of course but for all the people here who have latched on to dumbass random teams (like, oh, say, the bengals) and are more interested in rooting for a local team I think they'd probably choose the one that, at this moment, is better. Maybe that's wrong though idk
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:Maybe right now, but a bunch of people will change teams. The fact that they are better, and will presumably for the near future continue to be better than the raiders is a definite plus Teams that will be more popular than the LA Chargers: Raiders, Rams, USC, UCLA, Mater Dei
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SA2K posted:Teams that will be more popular than the LA Chargers: Raiders, Rams, USC, UCLA, Mater Dei I don't think the Rams will be, and no one gives a poo poo about UCLA football. Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:Oh of course but for all the people here who have latched on to dumbass random teams (like, oh, say, the bengals) and are more interested in rooting for a local team I think they'd probably choose the one that, at this moment, is better. Maybe that's wrong though idk You can probably get some of that, especially if they wind up being good. Though a decent number of the people cheering from seemingly random teams are doing it because either they or their family are transplants from somewhere else, so they might be less inclined to switch. But you might get some of the folks who just latched onto like the Broncos or whatever, sure. MourningView fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Feb 20, 2015 |
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There is absolutely no chance more people will care about any drat high school team than any professional team lol
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:Oh of course but for all the people here who have latched on to dumbass random teams (like, oh, say, the bengals) and are more interested in rooting for a local team I think they'd probably choose the one that, at this moment, is better. Maybe that's wrong though idk I think you are right, because the people who don't love the raiders hate them so they aren't going to become fans if there is another local option.
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MourningView posted:I don't think the Rams will be, and no one gives a poo poo about UCLA football.
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:There is absolutely no chance more people will care about any drat high school team than any professional team lol Outside of Texas at least.
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SA2K posted:San Diegans also have an extreme inferiority complex when it comes to LA. It's not just sports, but I'd say that rooting against the Dodgers and Raiders when they were in LA, and losing the Clippers to LA plays a part. I've lived in SD my whole life and I never understood hate for LA. It's always used as some kind of bogeyman for us, and I don't get it. Both places have cool things and lovely things. But they're both more similar to each other than not
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Have they solved the traffic issues? From what I understand weeknight games in any location that isn't downtown would cause massive traffic jams that would last for hours and affect large areas of the city.
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Glass of Milk posted:I've lived in SD my whole life and I never understood hate for LA. It's always used as some kind of bogeyman for us, and I don't get it. Both places have cool things and lovely things. But they're both more similar to each other than not LA is crowded, smoggy, and overall pretty lovely and tough to park in. They also drive like a bunch of assholes. People there weren't trained to use a blinker ever. I don't feel those things about San Diego. Konstantin posted:Have they solved the traffic issues? From what I understand weeknight games in any location that isn't downtown would cause massive traffic jams that would last for hours and affect large areas of the city. That planned Carson spot actually isn't too bad as far as LA is concerned. I think the freeways there could probably handle that as you have multiple outlets. thompson fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Feb 20, 2015 |
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MourningView posted:I don't think the Rams will be, and no one gives a poo poo about UCLA football Man I've seen more people wearing UCLA gear the last three years than ever
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Konstantin posted:Have they solved the traffic issues? From what I understand weeknight games in any location that isn't downtown would cause massive traffic jams that would last for hours and affect large areas of the city. Maybe they're just saying "gently caress it the city is awful anyway"
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thompson posted:LA is lovely
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I never really understood the traffic concerns because other than like one MNF game and one TNF game a year it would all be on Sundays and who gives a poo poo then?
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Korranus posted:So what does this do to the Rams? Can LA support three NFL teams? I don't see any way it affects the Rams. Kroenke already has land for his stadium, and they're a vote away from being allowed to build it. He's likely getting what he wants anyway. Chargers and Raiders are just fighting for a second stadium to be built in the city that they could both play in. As long as a good portion of each fanbase sticks with the team and watches on TV, ratings will be up, and the two stadiums should at least get frequent decent attendance, albeit not sellouts. Rams would probably be at best the second-most popular NFL team there if they aren't the only ones to go, but they're already not the most popular sports team in St Louis anyway so that's not a shocking development.
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mike- posted:I wish la could get a team that isn't the Chargers raiders or Rams but beggars can't be choosers. Give them the Steelers or Lions
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MourningView posted:I don't think the Rams will be, and no one gives a poo poo about UCLA football. Why not? They were in LA forever, and that's kind of where all their fans are now.
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Chris James 2 posted:I don't see any way it affects the Rams. Kroenke already has land for his stadium, and they're a vote away from being allowed to build it. He's likely getting what he wants anyway. Chargers and Raiders are just fighting for a second stadium to be built in the city that they could both play in. As long as a good portion of each fanbase sticks with the team and watches on TV, ratings will be up, and the two stadiums should at least get frequent decent attendance, albeit not sellouts. Rams would probably be at best the second-most popular NFL team there if they aren't the only ones to go, but they're already not the most popular sports team in St Louis anyway so that's not a shocking development. Now on the other hand re: traffic, if both these stadiums got built though lmfao at the 405 when both the Rams and the Raiders/Chargers have home games
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Chris James 2 posted:I don't see any way it affects the Rams. Kroenke already has land for his stadium, and they're a vote away from being allowed to build it. He's likely getting what he wants anyway. Chargers and Raiders are just fighting for a second stadium to be built in the city that they could both play in. As long as a good portion of each fanbase sticks with the team and watches on TV, ratings will be up, and the two stadiums should at least get frequent decent attendance, albeit not sellouts. Rams would probably be at best the second-most popular NFL team there if they aren't the only ones to go, but they're already not the most popular sports team in St Louis anyway so that's not a shocking development. Although isn't there a worry about fractions? On a smaller scale, Minneapolis-St. Paul has Hockey and Basketball running side by side, hockey is more popular by a long long shot and the Basketball team is always on life support. If there's three LA teams, aren't you just essentially dividing down the amount of fans by a lot? I get that NYC has two teams but still
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:I never really understood the traffic concerns because other than like one MNF game and one TNF game a year it would all be on Sundays and who gives a poo poo then? LA is unlike any place i've ever been in terms of traffic. Not even NY compares. There are just so many cars on the road that adding another 80,000 people all at once makes a difference. A 20 minute drive on the weekend can easily take you two hours with the right set of circumstances. An NFL stadium certainly fits the bill. If 3 teams move with two stadiums and you have the same kickoff time? Whoo doggie that's a lot of people. They'll really have to find a way to get Amtrak involved to help in some way.
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If the Chargers and Raiders move there, the Rams won't. They won't have 3 LA teams. There's no way.
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Top Hats Monthly posted:Although isn't there a worry about fractions? On a smaller scale, Minneapolis-St. Paul has Hockey and Basketball running side by side, hockey is more popular by a long long shot and the Basketball team is always on life support. If there's three LA teams, aren't you just essentially dividing down the amount of fans by a lot? I get that NYC has two teams but still It all depends on how much people embrace the teams. I feel like NYC could support a third team for example. While you may be dividing up the fans in terms of who's buying merchandise, you're talking about the ability to (theoretically) fill 24 large stadiums full per year where those three teams don't sell as many tickets (again, in theory). If they sell an extra 20k tickets per game averge, that comes out to almost a half a million extra tickets sold. Per year.
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Glass of Milk posted:I've lived in SD my whole life and I never understood hate for LA. It's always used as some kind of bogeyman for us, and I don't get it. Both places have cool things and lovely things. But they're both more similar to each other than not That is always true of all dumb regional rivalries.
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So if they both move wouldn't one team have to switch divisions/conferences? I can't see two teams from the same division in the same stadium being viable.
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Nail Rat posted:Why not? They were in LA forever, and that's kind of where all their fans are now. I dunno, but I never see Rams fans anywhere. I guess because they were typically second fiddle to the Raiders and then moved to Orange County, but even living in OC I don't see them so I dunno. Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:I never really understood the traffic concerns It's Southern California.
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Volkerball posted:If the Chargers and Raiders move there, the Rams won't. They won't have 3 LA teams. There's no way. I have to believe that this is going to make either the city of San Diego or the city of Oakland cave
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I've lived in OC/LA my entire life and I'm not sure I know more than a couple rams fans
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axeil posted:So if they both move wouldn't one team have to switch divisions/conferences? I can't see two teams from the same division in the same stadium being viable. I still like the idea of finding a fourth. AFC Los Angeles division.
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Nail Rat posted:I still like the idea of finding a fourth. AFC Los Angeles division. Move the entire AFC West there. The brawls would be spectacular. SA2K posted:I have to believe that this is going to make either the city of San Diego or the city of Oakland cave I'm guessing it's SD that caves. Oakland I don't think has the finances or desire to keep the team. Plus there's the whole situation with the A's to consider there as well.
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SA2K posted:I have to believe that this is going to make either the city of San Diego or the city of Oakland cave I would definitely prefer that over sharing a stadium. Especially since I'm pretty sure the A's already have their situation figured out, so if Oakland caved, it would just be for the Raiders, and could be all personalized and decked out in silver and black like the niners new stadium.
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Volkerball posted:I would definitely prefer that over sharing a stadium. Especially since I'm pretty sure the A's already have their situation figured out, so if Oakland caved, it would just be for the Raiders, and could be all personalized and decked out in silver and black like the niners new stadium. I think that might be the reason that the situation in Oakland is impossible. They can't build two stadiums at once.
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axeil posted:Move the entire AFC West there. The brawls would be spectacular. LA doesn't deserve a guaranteed playoff team every year.
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Volkerball posted:LA doesn't deserve a guaranteed playoff team every year. Neither does Boston but that's the world we live in
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I honestly don't think San Diego will cave. I don't think Faulconer cares enough and it's the 2/3 majority vote to approve funding that's the problem. He's too busy trying to right the mayor's office after the who Filner debacle to deal with this. From the beginning I thought the Bolts would have to find more money to put in and they haven't. They've tried to couple their efforts to the convention center so that the city will care (from an elected official standpoint) and it just isn't happening. They tried to funnel through the hotel tax, but anyone who has stayed down here knows that that is really high already at 10.5%.
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Volkerball posted:I would definitely prefer that over sharing a stadium. Especially since I'm pretty sure the A's already have their situation figured out, so if Oakland caved, it would just be for the Raiders, and could be all personalized and decked out in silver and black like the niners new stadium. Wait are the A's definitely moving to San Jose or did they work out something with the County? thompson posted:I honestly don't think San Diego will cave. I don't think Faulconer cares enough and it's the 2/3 majority vote to approve funding that's the problem. He's too busy trying to right the mayor's office after the who Filner debacle to deal with this. So do you think Oakland does then? I can't see them budging either. Related, I was in San Diego for the first time earlier this month and it's such a great city but it seems like getting to LA would be a hassle. I didn't really comprehend how far the distance was until I was talking to someone who had to fly into LAX and drive down. It took over 2 hours. I think people here on the East Coast don't really get how spread out things are when you cross the Mississippi. axeil fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Feb 20, 2015 |
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thompson posted:I honestly don't think San Diego will cave. I don't think Faulconer cares enough and it's the 2/3 majority vote to approve funding that's the problem. He's too busy trying to right the mayor's office after the who Filner debacle to deal with this. I have no idea why it needs to be a city vote. It should be a county vote.
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IIRC i think they made a deal to tear down the coliseum and build a new stadium there.
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SA2K posted:I have no idea why it needs to be a city vote. It should be a county vote. This looks like it helps. I'm going to read this right now, but in case you're wondering. I'm a little hazy on specifics and i'm drawing on stuff that I hear on my hour ride home to Carmel Mountain so it's not exactly 100% accurate. http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2015/2/20/8077563/how-to-keep-the-chargers-in-san-diego
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Volkerball posted:IIRC i think they made a deal to tear down the coliseum and build a new stadium there. So that would mean the Raiders really aren't bluffing then since they're about to not have a stadium to play in.
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Re: Rams fans, I try to talk up Rams fans at Seahawks games. I lived in STL for a bit, but almost all the Rams fans I see are from SoCal. I'd bet more people in SoCal are still Rams fans than there are rams fans in Missouri. Re: NFL to LA, I think we can all assume Oakland is moving, it's just who is the other team STL or SD. Both are good cities with varying positives and negatives.
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