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Smoking Crow posted:Here's an LA Times article about the controversy from when he was just getting beatified in the early 90s From the LA Times article: quote:Weber believes that Serra is a convenient target for Indians who resent treatment of their ancestors by all whites. I'm still skeptical.
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Remember man that you are dust, and to dust you shall return, and in the meantime you still really oughta get that circuits homework turned in.
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Feb 18, 2015 14:12
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StashAugustine posted:Remember man that you are dust, and to dust you shall return, and in the meantime you still really oughta get that circuits homework turned in. Sorry Professor, I gave up academics for Lent. See you in a month!
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Feb 18, 2015 15:14
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StashAugustine posted:Remember man that you are dust, and to dust you shall return, and in the meantime you still really oughta get that circuits homework turned in.  I think I'm working on the wrong kind of circuits. 
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Feb 18, 2015 15:21
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Smoking Crow posted:edit: Speaking of which, why isn't de Las Casas a saint yet get on that Catholics Yeah, Las Casas wanted to preserve the native population of the new world and not mistreat them, but someone had to do the work. His suggestion was importing africans. So, yeah... let's not saint one of the initial pushers of the transatlantic slave trade, no matter what he said about native americans.
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Feb 18, 2015 16:07
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Lutha Mahtin posted:Sorry Professor, I gave up academics for Lent. See you in a month! I work in a university library, and I've had Mormon students discuss in front of the circulation desk the different "personas" they have for church and non-church and how to cover for each other to the elders. I know Mormons aren't exactly Christian, but that threw me for a bit of a loop.
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Cythereal posted:I work in a university library, and I've had Mormon students discuss in front of the circulation desk the different "personas" they have for church and non-church and how to cover for each other to the elders. I know Mormons aren't exactly Christian, but that threw me for a bit of a loop. Speaking of the guy in moral authority, debating over whether to get off my lazy rear end and go get ashes. First step: getting off my lazy rear end and checking the times of the imposition services. ... Hmm. 10AM and 7PM. It's only 9AM, self, get your act together.
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Feb 18, 2015 18:00
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I have class at 830-930, 1030-1230, and 6-850, it's like someone was specifically trying to make sure I can't make it to Mass.
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Feb 18, 2015 18:02
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Numerical Anxiety posted:Yeah, Las Casas wanted to preserve the native population of the new world and not mistreat them, but someone had to do the work. His suggestion was importing africans. So, yeah... let's not saint one of the initial pushers of the transatlantic slave trade, no matter what he said about native americans. He apologized and changed his mind later in life
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Feb 18, 2015 18:25
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Happy ashy forehead day! What're y'alls Lent resolutions? I'm gonna put strict limits on my drinking and internet usage - cold turkey is too hard because I'm a wuss.
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Feb 19, 2015 03:24
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Black Bones posted:Happy ashy forehead day! Read the entire City of God
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Feb 19, 2015 03:26
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Totally forgot about Ash Wednesday remind me next time thread!
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Feb 19, 2015 06:55
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I'm going to try and read the Daily Office everyday...and just be a nicer person to people I work with. I've fueled the gossip mill at work so I'm just gonna try and stay out of that.
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Feb 19, 2015 09:32
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So do you guys know the custom of veiling the entire High Altar with a massive Lenten cloth? My church hung it up yesterday - it is an excellent, but really disconcerting piece by a local artist, commemorating the execution by a chaplain of our parish in 1945 for offering resistance to the Nazi regime. I'll take a photo next time. Just as an example what I'm talking about : this is the oldest extant Lenten cloth (from 1612), hanging every year in front of the High Altar of the Freiburg Cathedral and weighing over a ton.
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Feb 19, 2015 13:22
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I usually give up caffeine, but I just agreed to work nights for a month, starting two weeks from now. So much for that idea.  I'm going to give up reading stuff on my phone right before going to sleep.
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Feb 19, 2015 14:50
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Oh man, I am totally gonna have to get my dad one of these Martin Luther Playmobil dolls 
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Feb 19, 2015 15:09
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Lutha Mahtin posted:Oh man, I am totally gonna have to get my dad one of these Martin Luther Playmobil dolls I know, right?!
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Feb 19, 2015 16:26
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System Metternich posted:
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System Metternich posted:So do you guys know the custom of veiling the entire High Altar with a massive Lenten cloth? I have never heard of this! That looks like an interesting tradition. When I was growing up, the only thing done like this during Lent was the stripping of the altar on Maundy Thursday. The congregation would begin reading aloud the 22nd Psalm, i.e. one of the most depressing and creepy passages in the Bible. Then, a couple people from the congregation would get up from their pews, dressed in their street clothes of course, and silently extinguish all the candles, strip everything from the altar, and unceremoniously carry it off to a side room. After the reading was done, there was time for silent reflection, after which you got up and left the building silently. And, growing up in Minnesota, often times Maundy Thursday service would begin when the sun was still up, but by the time it ended it was dark out. I remember often being really creeped out by the whole thing, even though I understood it was all for symbolic effect.
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Feb 19, 2015 18:43
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Ms. Happiness posted:I'm going to try and read the Daily Office everyday...and just be a nicer person to people I work with. I've fueled the gossip mill at work so I'm just gonna try and stay out of that. Hey there daily office Lenten discipline buddy!
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Feb 20, 2015 08:59
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PantlessBadger posted:Hey there daily office Lenten discipline buddy! If you don't know about it, http://www.missionstclare.com/ is awesome for Daily Office. You can also get an app on your phone. 
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Ms. Happiness posted:If you don't know about it, http://www.missionstclare.com/ is awesome for Daily Office. You can also get an app on your phone. Thanks. I'm using the Daily Prayer app and my Book of Common Prayer, but it's always good to have additional resources to call on! The biggest problem I've run into with CoE apps is they all take the date based on GMT and that can cause problems particularly for evening prayer because it starts to give you readings and collects for the wrong day!
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Feb 22, 2015 21:49
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Alright, so today at church, there were a bunch of nuns. That was a bit weird on its own, but during the Nicene Creed, the Mother Superior opens up the liturgy book and has to read along I was cracking up. You'd think that after a while you'd just pick it up
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Smoking Crow posted:Alright, so today at church, there were a bunch of nuns. That was a bit weird on its own, but during the Nicene Creed, the Mother Superior opens up the liturgy book and has to read along Was she particularly elderly? Sometimes senility can cause problems with prayers like that.
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Thirteen Orphans posted:Was she particularly elderly? Sometimes senility can cause problems with prayers like that. No, she was just as elderly as the other two I laughed again thinking about it haha
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Feb 23, 2015 01:20
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Maybe it wasn't in her native language?
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Feb 23, 2015 01:25
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Paladinus posted:Maybe it wasn't in her native language? No, she's American I want to think she's coasted by for however many years at the convent without knowing any of the prayers
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Feb 23, 2015 01:27
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Smoking Crow posted:No, she's American Was her name Mary Clarence by any chance?
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Smoking Crow posted:No, she's American Okay, I know I'm overthinking it, but I'm not sure what's going on with translations in American Orthodox churches... Can it be something to do with that? Like, she was raised with a different translation and still struggles to adapt.
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Paladinus posted:Okay, I know I'm overthinking it, but I'm not sure what's going on with translations in American Orthodox churches... Can it be something to do with that? Like, she was raised with a different translation and still struggles to adapt. She may also be an ex-Catholic; many Catholics read along even though most of them have the Mass in the vernacular now, since it became a custom back when they didn't.
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That was my guess. I used to stumble in the Episcopal Church for a long time because of the switch from the Catholic phrasing to the BCP phrasing. Now I'm stumbling over the switch from "of all things seen and unseen" to "of all things visible and invisible," and using the word "begotten" more often. I think a lot of it's the rhythm. You get used to which words are emphasized when, and how the words flow out of your mouth; so when you start using a new translation, it's like rewriting a favorite song.
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I am watching the actions and lives of a strange and dissonant series of individuals through a looking glass. They claim to believe something very similar to what I do, yet their mannerisms and things they talk about are alien. All this is really interesting to read about because it's so wildly different from anything I associate with church.
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Feb 23, 2015 05:36
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Forgiveness vespers is a workout; my thighs are all rubbery due to all the prostrations! It was a beautiful service though and it really set the tone for Lent.
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That's something I genuinely love about Eastern Rite churches- doing prostrations. The last week of Lent we always hold Pan-Orthodox Vespers at an OCA cathedral. That's my only chance to do prostrations and hear the prayer of St Ephraim the Syrian.
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HEY GAL posted:I bet that's it, I still stumble over the Creed because when I memorized it in English back when I was Catholic it was a different translation. If you're not saying it in Koine you're heterodox
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Cythereal posted:I am watching the actions and lives of a strange and dissonant series of individuals through a looking glass. They claim to believe something very similar to what I do, yet their mannerisms and things they talk about are alien. Isn't it great?
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Cythereal posted:I am watching the actions and lives of a strange and dissonant series of individuals through a looking glass. They claim to believe something very similar to what I do, yet their mannerisms and things they talk about are alien. This is honestly the way I feel when people try and talk to me about televangelists, praise music, and revivals, lol. It's like...I know this is a Thing in Christian culture, but it's so darn foreign to me.
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Ms. Happiness posted:This is honestly the way I feel when people try and talk to me about televangelists, praise music, and revivals, lol. It's like...I know this is a Thing in Christian culture, but it's so darn foreign to me. Revivals are very simple: a bunch of people getting together to talk about how awesome they are, eat usually good food, and any teenagers in attendance of their own volition rather than their parents' are usually hoping to hook up with another teenager there.
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Cythereal posted:Revivals are very simple: a bunch of people getting together to talk about how awesome they are, eat usually good food, and any teenagers in attendance of their own volition rather than their parents' are usually hoping to hook up with another teenager there. Wow you went to some lovely revivals We would sing and yell amen until our throats were sore and people would get saved and stuff. Lots of bluegrass and sweating. I'm pretty sure that if the preacher who was up there told us to riot we'd do it. But no dancing that was for black people only Smoking Crow fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Feb 24, 2015 |
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Smoking Crow posted:Wow you went to some lovely revivals
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