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I enjoy the people who dismiss Boyhood as a gimmick movie and hail Birdman in the same sentence.
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Feb 23, 2015 16:23
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What was Sean Penn's joke? I had checked out of the show by that point.
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Feb 23, 2015 16:24
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I don't think most people realized Penn worked with him on 27 Grams. Even if, how does tumblr/twitter think for a second that Sean loving Penn has suddenly become an arch-conservative. Thank god for the internet so we have access to people's snap indignant ramblings.
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Feb 23, 2015 16:25
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PTizzle posted:Birdman was a good choice, I didn't hate The Imitation Game or The Theory of Everything but having one of them as a winner would have just been so zzz. It was a pretty even year in terms of the split between movies (none of them got more than 4 afaik) and best picture genuinely could have been nearly any of them so the crying about Boyhood is pretty funny. This is how I feel about it too. I mean, yeah, the issues and insights Birdman espoused were a little too white and first worldy for some, but that misses the greater point that when the project was first announced, it didn't look like anything at all that the Oscars would be in the same room with (I remember I saw the previews the first time, and wondering what the hell it was even about). Yeah, GBH was really well shot and well written, as was Selma (even if it relied a little bit more on slo-mo than I thought was appropriate), but seriously, what Inarritu pulled off took a lot of planning and creativity, and could have completely crashed and burned if one single part of the effort landed poorly. Now could the same be said about Boyhood? Absolutely. But that fact that these two very non-Oscar-bait movies were considered and one of them actually won is a thing to be celebrated, even if there are disagreements over which one it should have been. For me, the tipping balance is purely one of interest. At the end of the day, Birdman was exciting, thoughtful, and brutally honest, while Boyhood was just... melancholic and poignant. That's really all there is to say about it; it was the window into someones life for twelve years and... that's it. There's no greater message or direction to the story; it's just life. resurgam40 fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Feb 23, 2015 |
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Feb 23, 2015 16:26
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:I enjoy the people who dismiss Boyhood as a gimmick movie and hail Birdman in the same sentence. I liked both, but yeah
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Feb 23, 2015 16:27
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A Kelly parody I made for the politoons thread:
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Feb 23, 2015 16:37
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astupiddvdcase posted:Also glad Interstellar didn't get any major awards, people overate that poo poo so much just cause it makes them feel smart. "Hey everyone, I wasn't here to give my retarded opinion on Inception four years ago, so I'll just reuse it." 
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Feb 23, 2015 16:55
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The idea that people love things because of a hive mind or because it "makes them seem smart" is pretty loving ignorant.
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Feb 23, 2015 16:57
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weekly font posted:The idea that people love things because of a hive mind or because it "makes them seem smart" is pretty loving ignorant. It's almost always a useless statement.
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Feb 23, 2015 17:01
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I need to see Birdman again. It took me 3\4s of the way through the movie that maybe it was meant to be a black comedy. I knew nothing about the movie going in. When he was being all telepathic and stuff, I was expecting the movie to be some comic book thing. In hindsight I get that it was his delusional sense of self-importance, but I just didn't have a clue what was going on for most of it. I kept waiting for the movie to be about more than an egotistical prick scrabbling for credibility, but...nope. That was about it. Black comedies are my favourite. Now either I was having a bad night and just didn't get the joke until far too late, or the movie failed at establishing itself. I'll watch it again before i make a final decision but I absolutely loved Grand Budapest Hotel. H13 fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Feb 23, 2015 |
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Feb 23, 2015 17:05
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Interstellar deserved its visual effects win, watching that in IMAX floored me and they even solved a physics problem with it. It had one of Hans Zimmer's better scores too.resurgam40 posted:For me, the tipping balance is purely one of interest. At the end of the day, Birdman was exciting, thoughtful, and brutally honest, while Boyhood was just... melancholic and poignant. That's really all there is to say about it; it was the window into someones life for twelve years and... that's it. There's no greater message or direction to the story; it's just life.
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Feb 23, 2015 17:07
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Hammer Floyd posted:I need to see Birdman again. Same, I got really caught up in the telepathy thing and it distracted me for the first 20 minutes or so, especially when Riggan says that he caused the light to fall on Ralph. Totally didn't realize what they were doing with that element of the character and I probably misread a lot of the beginning of the film for it. Also somehow I didn't notice the cinematography for the first like ~30 minutes. All of sudden it dawned on me, "wait... this was all one long take... gently caress!" Definitely need to rewatch.
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Feb 23, 2015 17:14
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Cacator posted:Does a film always need a message though? Boyhood worked so well for me because it was so relatable and because it caused me to review my own adolescence. Well, no they don't, and that's kind of exactly what I mean: it's not about which film is "better" because both are fantastic, but which resonates with the viewer more. As another poster said, it's an apples and oranges situation; both Boyhood and Birdman are expertly crafted, non-traditional, watershed experiments that shatter the preconcieved boundaries of film-making and what it can do, and to quibble over which film is better is missing the point of what these films accomplish.
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Feb 23, 2015 17:43
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:I enjoy the people who dismiss Boyhood as a gimmick movie and hail Birdman in the same sentence. I heard that they had to keep track of footage and also contact info for 12 years! I got to see children (and also people who are not children) grow up before my very eyes! Truly something that I have never seen before!
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Feb 23, 2015 17:57
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I'm kind of surprised to see Boyhood get so much hate in this thread. I mean sure it's a bit overlong and meandering but I haven't seen a better coming of age film in a long while. And while I don't think the "waaaaaa why didn't my preferred film win" rants are justified - Birdman was at the very least one of the best films of the year - I do think that there's something to be said for the "lol of course The Academy picked the film that's a meta-commentary on Hollywood" complaints.
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Feb 23, 2015 18:11
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Big Hero 6 winning anything vs Ghibis (not saying it was) worst, is a crime. Heck How to Train your Dragon 2 was derivative and it was better.
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Feb 23, 2015 18:19
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Devil Wears Wings posted:I'm kind of surprised to see Boyhood get so much hate in this thread. I mean sure it's a bit overlong and meandering but I haven't seen a better coming of age film in a long while. I wonder how many people who dismiss Boyhood as a gimmick movie actually saw it because it really doesn't come across that way at all due to Linklater's naturalistic style.
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Feb 23, 2015 18:27
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:I enjoy the people who dismiss Boyhood as a gimmick movie and hail Birdman in the same sentence. Well, I think one of the things is that there's not much substance behind the "gimmick" in Boyhood. It's life documented, something that's been done before, and even, perhaps, done better. That said, picking one "best" film is a silly thing. Birdman is a 5 star film. Boyhood is a 5 star film. Whiplash is a 5 star film. Selma I haven't seen, but I've heard it's quite good. American Sniper is mostly emotionally manipulative jingoistic garbage with a few really good scenes. Interstellar was visually gorgeous and started off with a really good script (seriously, read the leaked draft) that got messed with too much and became emotionally hollow. There, I think I've covered all the goon movie favorites?
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Feb 23, 2015 18:29
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Boyhood is easy to make fun of. It's long, it has a literally perfect Metacritic score, some rear end in a top hat critic called it the "best film of the 21st century so far" or whatever, and it was the Best Picture frontrunner for a while. e: also, I'm gonna be That Guy for Interstellar and say it's a 5-star movie in my opinion and maybe should have been at least nominated for Best Picture. Slate Action fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Feb 23, 2015 |
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Feb 23, 2015 18:32
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https://interactive.twitter.com/oscars2015race/ Go Lego Movie go.
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Feb 23, 2015 18:39
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Cacator posted:I wonder how many people who dismiss Boyhood as a gimmick movie actually saw it because it really doesn't come across that way at all due to Linklater's naturalistic style. Saw it, did not like it... aside from the gimmick (yes, shooting over 12 years is a gimmick) and a few decent performances (Arquette and Hawke) there's really not much that hasn't been done much better in other coming of age films. It's overly long, pretentious, has a lot of bad acting (i.e. house construction sleep over) and cliche poo poo (i.e. drunk, abusive step-father) that simply keep it from greatness. It's not deserving of a 5 (or even 4) star review and will be forgotten for the same reason that The Artist has all but been forgotten: it is entirely dependent on a gimmick.
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Feb 23, 2015 18:42
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Slate Action posted:e: also, I'm gonna be That Guy for Interstellar and say it's a 5-star movie in my opinion and maybe should have been at least nominated for Best Picture.  The real cinematic injustice happened weeks ago.
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Feb 23, 2015 18:50
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zenintrude posted:Saw it, did not like it... aside from the gimmick (yes, shooting over 12 years is a gimmick) and a few decent performances (Arquette and Hawke) there's really not much that hasn't been done much better in other coming of age films. It's overly long, pretentious, has a lot of bad acting (i.e. house construction sleep over) and cliche poo poo (i.e. drunk, abusive step-father) that simply keep it from greatness. Dude I can completely understand most of your criticisms of Boyhood - it's far from a perfect film - but if you think that The Artist is a "gimmick film" then I don't think you quite get it.
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Feb 23, 2015 19:01
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The 12 years thing is indisputably a gimmick. However, that gimmick works incredibly well, I think. So does Birdman's.
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Feb 23, 2015 19:28
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The house sleepover scene in Boyhood is one of my favorites because it's so dead-on to reality. People seem to feel like Boyhood was made with awards in mind. It was an experiment made on a $2 million budget, shot a few days a year. I can't call it a gimmick because it's not clamoring to impress anyone, it's just Linklater exploring his typical themes: Time, aging, hanging out. It goes right along with the Before trilogy.
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Feb 23, 2015 19:32
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Movies like Rashomon, Citizen Kane, Psycho, Rear Window, Pulp Fiction, Annie Hall, Kind Hearts and Coronets, and Gravity are all "gimmick" films of one flavor or another and they're great because of the choices they made and how they inform the rest of the movie. Trying to suss out how much the gimmick is worth and how much the "real movie" actually counts for feels pointless.
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Feb 23, 2015 19:41
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resurgam40 posted:Yes... Yeeeesssss....More, you wretches... How long until Fox et co. decide to stage their own conservative movie Oscars? Because that'll be one ceremony to watch. Just think: warporn. Christian movies. Libertarian rear end in a top hat movies, possibly, standing awkwardly in the corner. All that, all under one roof. Someone should pitch that to the Kochs.
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Feb 23, 2015 19:44
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morestuff posted:Movies like Rashomon, Citizen Kane, Psycho, Rear Window, Pulp Fiction, Annie Hall, Kind Hearts and Coronets, and Gravity are all "gimmick" films of one flavor or another and they're great because of the choices they made and how they inform the rest of the movie. Trying to suss out how much the gimmick is worth and how much the "real movie" actually counts for feels pointless. Hitchcock was all about gimmicks. Rope - Make the film look like a single unbroken shot played in real time Dial M for Murder - Murder and Suspense... IN 3-D Lifeboat - Entire film set on a boat
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Feb 23, 2015 19:48
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Devil Wears Wings posted:Dude I can completely understand most of your criticisms of Boyhood - it's far from a perfect film - but if you think that The Artist is a "gimmick film" then I don't think you quite get it. Didn't call The Artist a gimmick film, I said that the reason is will be (and pretty much has been) forgotten is due to to the fact that the only reason people were excited about it is due to its use of a (arguably) clever gimmick. The real tale of the tape is whether or not the movies are amazing divided from their gimmick... in both instances, I'd have to say that the stories/acting/etc are mediocre at best, boring at worst. TrixRabbi posted:The house sleepover scene in Boyhood is one of my favorites because it's so dead-on to reality. Unfortunately the directing, acting, and cinematography are all absolutely loving horrible... perhaps as a chapter in a book (or in a better film) it would have worked, but in Boyhood it is terrible.
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Feb 23, 2015 19:56
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I've keep hearing the money argument for American Sniper. "You know, American Sniper made more money than all of the Best Picture nominations put together." So did Transformers: Age of Extinction. You think that should be in the Best Picture category for that criteria? Wait, no, they would. Oh no! Best Picture Winner 2017 - Transformers: The Snipers of the Matrix (in memory of Chris Kyle and Optimus Prime)
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Feb 23, 2015 20:02
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TrixRabbi posted:People seem to feel like Boyhood was made with awards in mind. It was an experiment made on a $2 million budget, shot a few days a year. I can't call it a gimmick because it's not clamoring to impress anyone, it's just Linklater exploring his typical themes: Time, aging, hanging out. It goes right along with the Before trilogy. It may not have been an intended gimmick by Linklater, but that's how it was marketed. There were more people talking about how great Boyhood was more for that angle than anything else in the film. I didn't see too many people squarely focusing on how Birdman was all one shot as there was much more there. I understand what Boyhood is trying to say about the passing of time and the nostalgia of growing up. But the script is kept too drat loose and all over the place with such cliches of coming-of-age films that it took me out of the whole "OMG 12 years of my life are gone and I'm loosing my grasp on time" message.
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Feb 23, 2015 20:07
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Gimmicks are good.
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Feb 23, 2015 20:18
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They should have called 12 Years a Boy though.
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Feb 23, 2015 20:32
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FreudianSlippers posted:Gimmicks are good. Gimmicks are good if they inform the rest of the film in some constructive manner. The old-timey silent film style of The Artist fits perfectly with the theme of our, often self-destructive, tendency to resist change. The aging gimmick works well in Boyhood because it assists our immersion and allows us to better empathize with the characters. There are plenty of gimmicks that don't work and I don't think you'll find many in Oscar best picture nominees.
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Feb 23, 2015 20:34
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FrostedButts posted:I didn't see too many people squarely focusing on how Birdman was all one shot as there was much more there. I had no idea the movie was going for a single-take aesthetic until I sat down and watched the movie. On the other hand, all I knew about Boyhood was 12 years.
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Feb 23, 2015 20:40
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What I don't understand about CineD goons being mad that the Oscar voters tend to be older people (with the implication that they are too out-of-the-loop to vote 'properly') is that it's not uncommon for those same goons get equally annoyed when the younger/mainstream folks vote with their wallet and their favorites are ignored. Replace all the Old Oscar Voters with Younger Oscar Voters, and you'd still have the "problem" in the end for the people kvetching. Goon/goon-types aren't (generally) Oscar Voters.
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Feb 23, 2015 21:29
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MisterBibs posted:What I don't understand about CineD goons being mad that the Oscar voters tend to be older people (with the implication that they are too out-of-the-loop to vote 'properly') is that it's not uncommon for those same goons get equally annoyed when the younger/mainstream folks vote with their wallet and their favorites are ignored. It's almost as if the demographics should be well-rounded instead of heavily weighted in either direction hmmmmm
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Feb 23, 2015 21:33
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Of all the Oscar speeches, I loved JK's the best. Patricia: We need equal pay for women! I paid my dog walker the same amount I make so that makes me a trailblazer not out of touch with women's rights! Common: I feel you, black people. I'm right there with you in the streets even though I'm miles away in my comfy condo counting my money. Fight the power (away from my house)! JK: Go call your parents if they're alive. They probably miss you.
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Feb 23, 2015 21:35
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People not jibing with Linklater's laconic approach to narrative is whatever, but yeah, pretty funny that it gets called out as a gimmick when Birdman won a bunch of poo poo and people seemed otherwise enchanted by Grand Budapest Hotel.
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Feb 23, 2015 21:36
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Devil Wears Wings posted:Gimmicks are good if they inform the rest of the film in some constructive manner. The old-timey silent film style of The Artist fits perfectly with the theme of our, often self-destructive, tendency to resist change. The aging gimmick works well in Boyhood because it assists our immersion and allows us to better empathize with the characters. That's just it, Boyhood's gimmick does not work. It does not make the film anything greater than a mundane film. Without it, you still have the same product at the end of the day. Using different actors at different ages would not harm or change Boyhood in any way, and that's why its gimmick is worth nothing.
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