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Knifegrab posted:Going through my TAL backlog and just listened to the Lindy West segment and holy poo poo haha if you think that was real. Pro-tip: she writes for Jezebel.
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Knifegrab posted:Going through my TAL backlog and just listened to the Lindy West segment and holy poo poo haha if you think that was real. Pro-tip: she writes for Jezebel. I'm so genuinely curious about what you could possibly mean by this...like they hired an actor to play a repentant internet troll?
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Feb 19, 2015 15:46
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I'd assume they check their stories a bit more thoroughly after the Mike Daisey story. Especially one that's as easily retraceable as this one. I also don't see how it's outlandish or anything. Out of millions of stupid internet trolls, some of them will probably regret their poo poo at some point.
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Feb 19, 2015 16:00
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Business posted:I'm so genuinely curious about what you could possibly mean by this...like they hired an actor to play a repentant internet troll? It was a false flag by the international feminist cabal to derail legitimate conversations about ethics in video game journalism 
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Feb 19, 2015 16:31
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In the last 6 months a woman who makes a YouTube series saying, "Hey, maybe using dead hookers a props sends a bad message to women who like video games" got literal death threats and had to cancel an event because someone threatened to shoot her. But yes, Lindy West was making it all up. Totally.
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Feb 19, 2015 16:33
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Knifegrab posted:Going through my TAL backlog and just listened to the Lindy West segment and holy poo poo haha if you think that was real. Pro-tip: she writes for Jezebel. LOL if you think anyone believes you. Pro-tip: you're an idiot.
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Feb 19, 2015 18:08
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I totally think her being harassed is the real deal. That poo poo happens and its awful. Its quite rampant and problematic for women on the internet and in the games profession. However just because that stuff happens and is tragic doesn't mean this story is completely legit. Its like a shower-fantasy of how things should have gone down. Maybe its real, maybe you guys are right, but its too on the nose, its too absolutely perfect for her narrative. Now maybe what we didn't see are the millions and millions of other trolls she tried to contact who continued to play their part as opposed to the part she wanted them to play. Maybe this guy is the one in a million troll she needed to make her story compelling. edit: Its great that apparently because I think something was embellished for story-telling, I clearly hate women! It has nothing to do with her being a women, or a feminist, it has everything to do with her track record for writing argumentative hyperbolic pieces. Knifegrab fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Feb 19, 2015 |
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Feb 19, 2015 18:58
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It's also because your first post was just really stupidly worded, lol if you think it warn't
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doctorfrog posted:It's also because your first post was just really stupidly worded, lol if you think it warn't Fair enough, I am an idiot.
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Feb 19, 2015 19:15
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It does seem like you hate women.
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Feb 19, 2015 19:17
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Watermelon City posted:It does seem like you hate women. Based on what? I am not seeing it.
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Knifegrab posted:Now maybe what we didn't see are the millions and millions of other trolls she tried to contact who continued to play their part as opposed to the part she wanted them to play. Maybe this guy is the one in a million troll she needed to make her story compelling.
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Feb 19, 2015 22:16
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kuddles posted:She does state in the piece that out of all the people who have ever sent her mean comments, he's the only one to come out an apologize. It's possible he's the one over-compensating by just regretting his actions and reading too much into why he did and creating introspection on his life state at the time that might not be there. But as others have pointed out, highly doubtful that she is lying about who that guy is on the phone and TAL just took things at her word. Yeah I suppose that could be. Either way I am very much looking forward to listening to the police episode on my way home, seems like a much better episode all around.
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I had random back logged episodes that I caught up with today. Holy poo poo that ATF story. loving insane. On top of the cops story of recent times and then that story from the goddamn school field trip where the plain clothes officer told the students to gently caress off. I hate cops.
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Feb 23, 2015 06:24
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That's because you're stupid. Cops put their lives on the line keeping people like you safe from the worst dregs of society. Show a little appreciation for the people who do more for their communities every day than you will do in your lifetime.
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Irish Joe posted:That's because you're stupid. Cops put their lives on the line keeping people like you safe from the worst dregs of society. Show a little appreciation for the people who do more for their communities every day than you will do in your lifetime. This is pretty weak trolling even for you.
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Knifegrab posted:I totally think her being harassed is the real deal. That poo poo happens and its awful. Its quite rampant and problematic for women on the internet and in the games profession. I am of the opinion that the people who attract this much ire play at least some part in their victimhood, that some essential quality about them causes total strangers to despise them. For example the whole Zoe Quinn thing started because she acted like a typical Livejournal poster and started poo poo with the random people on the Internet, talking like a "indie game designer" when she basically wrote a CYOA about depression. Then the boyfriend thing happened, and people who already had a bone to pick with her jumped at the opportunity. Everything since snowballed from there. Of course, she will claim the boyfriend was the start of the thing, but there's years of Twitter screenshots to the contrary. She was a terrible drama queen with awful self-important opinions long before that happened. Anyway people who attract exactly this much hate for a prolonged period of time are not being hated for their popularity or opinions but rather some sort of attention-seeking aspect of their personality that is eminently hate worthy. Look at how people irrationally hate Michael Moore, for example, or Kim Kardashian. Justin Bieber, for example - his face is legitimately punchable and he sings songs! What can anita sarkeesian do, besides post videos produced by her boyfriend, give interviews where she plays victim, and beg for money on the Internet? And I think that's the crux of it really, nearly all of the gamergate victims are... Drumroll please... People who beg for money on the Internet. I think, when it comes down to it, anyone living that sort of lifestyle will attract an inordinate amount of hate mail, male or female, feminist or non. And I admit that I am a terrible person but I do not have a Patreon account and know how to start a business without crowd funding and/or hitting my friends/the Internet up for cash. So that automatically makes me better than everyone mentioned in this post except for Kim Kardashian, Michael Moore, and Justin Bieber. bad day fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Feb 24, 2015 |
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"They deserved it" is the post-facto justification. "I disliked them so I sicc'd the internet on them" is so blatantly obvious that it's a part of SA. The worst page on the internet was running more than a decade and a half ago; Lowtax and the 2000s had enough restraint (or lacked the anonymity) to call the police to people's houses. The only thing I disliked about her story was that she identified herself as a comedian and wasn't funny.
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That's idiotic and misanthropic. Receiving death threats and vile harassment because of an opinion you put out out into the public isn't "playing the victim", it's actually being a victim. And talking about your harassment isn't just some attention seeking behavior, it's a way to publicize a pervasive, rotten phenomenon that might otherwise be suffered silently by its victims.
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Feb 24, 2015 03:01
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the lengths people will go to convince themselves misogyny isn't the problem
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soggybagel posted:I had random back logged episodes that I caught up with today. Holy poo poo that ATF story. loving insane. On top of the cops story of recent times and then that story from the goddamn school field trip where the plain clothes officer told the students to gently caress off. I hate cops.
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Eggnogium posted:That's idiotic and misanthropic. Receiving death threats and vile harassment because of an opinion you put out out into the public isn't "playing the victim", it's actually being a victim. And talking about your harassment isn't just some attention seeking behavior, it's a way to publicize a pervasive, rotten phenomenon that might otherwise be suffered silently by its victims. You do realize these issues are not mutually exclusive? Its ok to acknowledge that someone is going out of their way to victimize themselves while still acknowledging that the things people do to these victims is unconscionable.
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Knifegrab posted:You do realize these issues are not mutually exclusive? Its ok to acknowledge that someone is going out of their way to victimize themselves while still acknowledging that the things people do to these victims is unconscionable. Both issues come from one source. Weird, right?
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X-Ray Pecs posted:Both issues come from one source. Weird, right? How do you figure? Is your point here just that if you eliminate misogyny on the internet she has nothing to work with and you have solved the people being dickbags?
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Knifegrab posted:You do realize these issues are not mutually exclusive? Its ok to acknowledge that someone is going out of their way to victimize themselves while still acknowledging that the things people do to these victims is unconscionable. Because those traits that supposedly instigate the bullying are just as often defined by the bullies out of thin air. For example, bad day posted:What can anita sarkeesian do, besides post videos produced by her boyfriend, Implication: She's an idiot who couldn't cut together a video herself. bad day posted:give interviews where she plays victim Implication: Being public about harassment directed towards you is a selfish, attention-seeking behavior. bad day posted:and beg for money on the Internet? Implication: Having a kickstarter means selling your dignity. Of course, all those things that she's done are actually completely normal and reasonable but here they've been twisted to post hoc excuse the bullying.
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Eggnogium posted:Implication: Having a kickstarter means selling your dignity. This one is pretty true.
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annapacketstormaya posted:This one is pretty true. Kickstarter made Wasteland 2 possible so you can shut your mouth #Patreonarchy
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Raar_Im_A_Dinosaur posted:Kickstarter made Wasteland 2 possible so you can shut your mouth #Patreonarchy Stop perpetuating the patriarchy with your aggressive male-influenced posting. If you would like to learn more about my SA posting-critiques, please donate to my patreon.
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Irish Joe posted:That's because you're stupid. Cops put their lives on the line keeping people like you safe from the worst dregs of society. Show a little appreciation for the people who do more for their communities every day than you will do in your lifetime. Ouch. You got me good!
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Watermelon City posted:All this plus a story from David Sedaris and Mike Birbiglia which drags down the episode.
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Golden Bee posted:"They deserved it" is the post-facto justification. "I disliked them so I sicc'd the internet on them" is so blatantly obvious that it's a part of SA. The worst page on the internet was running more than a decade and a half ago; Lowtax and the 2000s had enough restraint (or lacked the anonymity) to call the police to people's houses. I agree with you - but at the same time there still seems to be a participatory element in exactly who gets targeted. They are, on the whole, self-promoting "internet personalities" who devote a considerable amount of time and effort to public life. I admit to being a bad poster, but I also don't claim to be important, or that my opinions are inherently valid, or better than yours. You're free to disagree with me - I'm just talking about my own observations. Notice I am neither using my real name nor begging for money. It's really easy to use the "asking for it" criticism as a thought-stopping device (by subconsciously equating online backlash with rape) but you must admit the victim plays SOME part in attracting trolls, when they are trying to use the internet as a means for self-promotion. People like Chris-Chan attract trolls because they compulsively post their private matters online; sites like Jezebel thrive because they deliberately try to generate false controversy. Choosing to post your masturbatory Pokemon fantasies online or working for a company whose business model is based on generating as much clickworthy internet ire as possible - these actions will have predictable consequences. I feel like the gamergate trolling is terrible, and would never participate, but I feel like the culture of victimhood thrives on this sort of phenomenon as a means of self-promotion. There's some sort of broader internet culture war between corporate real-name web 3.0 users and more traditional IRC/BBS/Chan type users, and this more indicative of that divide than some sort of magic window into the rape culture. Also it seems like gender and race politics on college campuses have gotten really confusing, much more so than 5-10 years ago. I have spent this time living in the developing world and it seems like white America has gotten so fat and wealthy they've run out of actual problems to complain about, and have graduated into hand-wringing over stuff like microagressions and nongendered bathrooms. (old man shouts at sky) Anyway feel free to call me an rear end in a top hat or send me threats, it's not like I haven't already been bought a million My Little Pony avatars.
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I received more harassment and death threats from posting my opinions on SA than Anita will receive in her lifetime, but you don't see me crying about it because I'm not a pathetic, histrionic idiot shaking down stupid people on kickstarter. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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What the gently caress is happening to this thread. Did anyone else think the Not Ok Cupid segment was intolerable in the latest episode? I got about two sentences in and had to skip ahead.
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Invisible Ted posted:Did anyone else think the Not Ok Cupid segment was intolerable in the latest episode? I got about two sentences in and had to skip ahead. When that episode was first broadcast, I didn't understand what its point was, or why it existed. A year later, I still don't have a clue. It just exists, it's not really funny or poignant, it's a weak idea that isn't developed at all.
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I thought it was a fun piece when I first read it in print (in Playboy! That's right, I actually read Playboy for the articles.  ).But the radio drama excises the last sentence, which is easily the best line in the story! Discussion question: Do you think Julie should gently caress the warlord? Why or why not? I read some discussion of the story online and it's pretty clearly wrong so I'll just share my interpretation of the story. BJ Novak is satirizing (young) America's indifference to the violence perpetuated by warlords in Africa and Southeast Asia. In fact, we even profit from it ("Do you know the conditions in the factories that made that top you're wearing?"). While we may pay lip service to it ("Anyway, I was trending."), we still don't take meaningful action. While we may plead ignorance to it, if you are connected enough to be on Twitter, you probably are savvy of it; you just don't care enough to do anything about it. BJ Novak asks directly "How much do you not care about warlords committing genocide?" with the discussion question but I guess it might be too on-the-nose which is why they removed it. I think it's reasonably poignant and reasonably funny ("Ideally-ideally, dream scenario, a child soldier"), but I can get that it's not everyone's cup of tea. got some chores tonight fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Feb 24, 2015 |
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X-Ray Pecs posted:It just exists, it's not really funny or poignant, it's a weak idea that isn't developed at all. I feel that this describes all the fiction segments on TAL.
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It was a repeat. http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/518/except-for-that-one-thing
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GrandpaPants posted:I feel that this describes all the fiction segments on TAL. The majority of them anyway, but there are a few that are quite good. One from the Christmas episode back in December; trying to set the sledding record. I thought that fit the overall feel of the episode really well. I also really liked the radio play in the very first poultry slam (Episode 3, 1995), though it was a revival of a radio program from the 60s so... There's also a pretty decent one in Episode 2 that reimagines a story told in the segment just before that was about a trio of 14-year-olds who fancied themselves as l33t hax0rz even though they couldn't steal enough cash to afford a value meal at McDonalds. It was still The Radio Playhouse at that point though, so they were trying perhaps a little harder with the fiction stuff than just turning the keys over to Sedaris and letting him read some short story. And I like Sedaris, but when you start with a hard news investigation, a story about his summer cottage seems incongruous.
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