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So in the Marvel universe who is the ultimate most powerful big baddie? Peal away the dozen curtains with the stronger villains behind each one, whose at the end? Is there a simple hierarchy diagram someone can look at?
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Feb 24, 2015 03:45
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So in the Marvel universe who is the ultimate most powerful big baddie? Peal away the dozen curtains with the stronger villains behind each one, whose at the end? Is there a simple hierarchy diagram someone can look at? Satan. Not joking.
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Feb 24, 2015 03:50
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My minor niggle with GotG is that Ronan is a really common name here, so it was like having a galactic alien terrorist called Jeremy or Paul. Which incidentally is also a minor niggle I always had with Dune.
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Feb 24, 2015 03:54
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So in the Marvel universe who is the ultimate most powerful big baddie? Peal away the dozen curtains with the stronger villains behind each one, whose at the end? Is there a simple hierarchy diagram someone can look at? While they aren't always evil the strongest entities in the Marvel universe are the Celestials. They do what they want to whoever they want and its almost impossible to stop them.
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Feb 24, 2015 03:56
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EmmyOk posted:My minor niggle with GotG is that Ronan is a really common name here, so it was like having a galactic alien terrorist called Jeremy or Paul. Which incidentally is also a minor niggle I always had with Dune. Well Paul is a name with a seriously heavy significance in all of the Abrahamic religions. The Apostle Paul probably had more influence over the way Christianity turned out than Jesus himself.
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Feb 24, 2015 04:00
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muscles like this? posted:While they aren't always evil the strongest entities in the Marvel universe are the Celestials. They do what they want to whoever they want and its almost impossible to stop them. Is Galactus a Celestial? If not what the hell is he? And what the gently caress is this? http://marvel.wikia.com/Eternity_%28Earth-616%29 Seriously how did the Marvel universe grow from some super powered men in tights to... this. Shimrra Jamaane has a new favorite as of 04:11 on Feb 24, 2015 |
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Feb 24, 2015 04:08
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Imagined posted:Well Paul is a name with a seriously heavy significance in all of the Abrahamic religions. The Apostle Paul probably had more influence over the way Christianity turned out than Jesus himself. I know but I am from an almost entirely catholic Country, so it is a common as mud name here. Really jarring to hear/read that in a a sci-fi epic when I grew up with 5 pauls.
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Feb 24, 2015 04:12
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EmmyOk posted:I know but I am from an almost entirely catholic Country, so it is a common as mud name here. Really jarring to hear/read that in a a sci-fi epic when I grew up with 5 pauls. I know. Reading anything about Camelot is super hard since I've met a guy named Arthur before.
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Feb 24, 2015 04:15
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The bible must be such a let-down in Mexico
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Feb 24, 2015 04:17
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Zaphod42 posted:So then if you have a robot that is truly intelligent, like post-singularity intelligence, that isn't going to be like R2D2 "beep beep boop" or even C3P0's "I do not understand these organics" kinda thing. I may be giving credit where it isn't due, but I like to think that the Star Wars robots are deliberately designed to seem a lot dumber than they are, to make them non-threatening to humans. You've got robot soldiers fighting for and alongside human soldiers, or robot advisors to human leaders, you don't want people to fear or distrust the robots, so you make them capable but goofy. No one's worried about C3P0 being around all the time to translate and advise on protocol, because C3P0s a bumbling coward, he's totally harmless.
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Feb 24, 2015 04:17
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Captain Monkey posted:I know. Reading anything about Camelot is super hard since I've met a guy named Arthur before. If you don't see something mildly annoying about a space prince a billion years in the future having a really mundane name I don't know what to say, maybe you're not an autist. Go gently caress a woman or something.
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Feb 24, 2015 04:22
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EmmyOk posted:If you don't see something mildly annoying about a space prince a billion years in the future having a really mundane name I don't know what to say, maybe you're not an autist. Go gently caress a woman or something. Ok. Tell your mom I'm headed over.
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Feb 24, 2015 04:24
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Captain Monkey posted:Ok. Tell your mom I'm headed over. P sure I said a woman
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Feb 24, 2015 04:25
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Is Galactus a Celestial? If not what the hell is he? "My God! This villain must be impossibly dangerous! He threatens even mighty Eternity himself!" A lot of the upper echelons of Marvel power don't really do anything in most stories. They're just hanging around in the background being beyond our mortal ken or whatever. Galactus' most accepted deal, I think, is that he's the last survivor of whatever existed before the Big Bang. He's important to the continued existence of the Universe in some vague way and wanders around eating planets.
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Feb 24, 2015 04:27
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EmmyOk posted:P sure I said a woman 
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Feb 24, 2015 04:27
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Edit: forget it.
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Feb 24, 2015 04:32
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Imagined posted:Hmm, unable to see or understand context, subtext, obvious historical allusions and religious allegories, yet calls other people "autists". Unable to read a post yet claims autism in others.
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Feb 24, 2015 04:33
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im gay
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Feb 24, 2015 04:47
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EmmyOk posted:I know but I am from an almost entirely catholic Country, so it is a common as mud name here. Really jarring to hear/read that in a a sci-fi epic when I grew up with 5 pauls. Hey gently caress you buddy, my name is Paul and nobody cool in fiction is EVER named Paul. It's always somebody's fat brother or something. We deserved a cool one for once.
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Feb 24, 2015 04:55
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Babe Magnet posted:im gay Same.
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Feb 24, 2015 04:58
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PaleInkedBoy posted:I'm watching the 2006 movie version of Desperation by Stephen King because I clearly have nothing better to do with my time and it irrationally irritates me that when a cougar is in the middle of attacking a man they use the stock RAWRAWWWRAWR cougar sound while it's clearly still biting him. What, it just stopped to yell around a mouthful? Regulators was the better one.
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Feb 24, 2015 05:06
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Is Galactus a Celestial? If not what the hell is he? Galactus is something else. I'm not sure how current this is but one version of his origin was that he is the last survivor of the universe from before this one and that surviving like that changed him into a force of nature. As to how this happened, it's pretty much all on Jack Kirby. In the 70s he started getting weird and cosmic. He eventually quit Marvel and moved over to DC where he kept on this stuff with his "New Gods."
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Feb 24, 2015 05:09
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Bippie Mishap posted:Regulators was the better one. They didn't make a movie out of that shitshow.
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Feb 24, 2015 05:36
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Is Galactus a Celestial? If not what the hell is he? My Marvel understanding is suspect, but I recall reading that Galactus is inherently anti-Celestial because Celestials are seeded into the cores of planets as part of their development cycle, and G's inherent need to consume planets basically keeps the Celestial numbers down. Remove G, and instead of X Celestials that may or may not decide to destroy everything on a whim, you'd have X*1000. He's an apex predator that you hate to see him operate, but you don't dare remove him from the ecosystem. MisterBibs has a new favorite as of 07:32 on Feb 24, 2015 |
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Feb 24, 2015 07:25
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LITERALLY A BIRD posted:Well, yeah, there is that, but I think they could have created a version of the character with the rings that wasn't incredibly racist. They should have taken a page out of DC's treatment of villains from Asia.  Yep, classy. 
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Feb 24, 2015 07:33
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Zaphod42 posted:There's several Infinity Gems. While those guys are off getting the tesseract and the purple gem, he's busy collecting the rest of the Infinity Gauntlet. I haven't read the comics in years but I vaguely remember Thanos killing almost half the Galaxy to impress Lady Death, it was just weird to see him chilling on an asteroid in a space lazy boy instead of going all mad Titan on some bitches.
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Feb 24, 2015 14:04
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bobkatt013 posted:They are a year apart. I don't think most who went to Germany also fought in the Pacific though.
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Feb 24, 2015 15:01
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Gorilla Salad posted:They should have taken a page out of DC's treatment of villains from Asia. It is such a pet peeve of mine when people get the racist asian accent wrong. You replace the Ls with Rs, not the other way around! Also, this is a little bit racist
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Feb 24, 2015 17:03
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Ignite Memories posted:It is such a pet peeve of mine when people get the racist asian accent wrong. You replace the Ls with Rs, not the other way around! I think you got it backwards. Chinese people have a problem with the R sound, not with the L, which is cooling in Chinese. I'm watching The Raid 2, and while I enjoy it, the two deaf ultimate badass invincible killing machines were just lovely. I didn't need that.
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Feb 24, 2015 17:07
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I disaglee. To my ears, the idea behind that caricature is that both sounds come out as sort of a spanish-sounding rolled R. When you do it the other way, it doesn't really sound like a racist asian accent. It doesn't really sound like anything. here, try it out. Do the accent yourself. "I concentrate rearry hard in the crassroom" vs "I concentlate leally hald in the classloom" I mean, it's stupid to be writing it out in a comic book either way, but at least if you make the Ls Rs it looks more like it sounds. Team America World Police has a poo poo ton of this if you wanna listen to what i'm talking about. Breakfast at tiffany's is another excellent [terrible] example. Ignite Memories has a new favorite as of 17:29 on Feb 24, 2015 |
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Feb 24, 2015 17:14
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Zaphod42 posted:Yeah Marvel really needs to rethink how they're handling the cinematic universe. Well, for a start your step 2 exists only because people don't like Hulk when he's Ang Lee. You're also missing a step 4.5, which is "Phase out older IP gradually in favour of the new IP" Captain America: Civil War is going to be the last appearance of Steve Rogers, who will be replaced by Bucky in future Cap movies. Iron Man will also be taking a back seat at that time in favour of Ant-Man, the other techno wizard on the Avengers, and Vision could easily replace Thor in the Avengers while Doctor Strange fills the "exotic" movie niche. If we see any of those characters again outside of cameos it will be in Avengers: Infinity War, which as a double movie and the culmination of the entire project will have room for them plus the new players from Phase 2, Phase 3 and Age of Ultron.
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Feb 24, 2015 17:16
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muscles like this? posted:Galactus is something else. I'm not sure how current this is but one version of his origin was that he is the last survivor of the universe from before this one and that surviving like that changed him into a force of nature. Mid-Late 60's. They had Thor stopping Galactus from devouring a living planet (complete with planet sized face) named Ego. The Celestials (the giant robot looking guy that used the infinity stone in the flashback in Guardians) came about in the 70's in a story about them causing human evolution, and creating a race of godlike Eternals, and monstrous Deviants.
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Feb 24, 2015 17:41
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EmmyOk posted:My minor niggle with GotG is that Ronan is a really common name here, so it was like having a galactic alien terrorist called Jeremy or Paul. Which incidentally is also a minor niggle I always had with Dune. But that's actually kinda the point; he starts out as Paul Atreides and then by the end he is the Kwizatz Haderach, Muad'dib, and Usul. In the same way that Dune is a study of how the culture changes the planet's ecology, its also a study of how the culture changes foreigners. Paul is pretty much "Prince John Smith" at the beginning of Dune, but by the end of it he's the exact opposite; he's the leader of the natives of Dune and he's their cultural and religious icon. That transformation is key. Tiggum posted:I may be giving credit where it isn't due, but I like to think that the Star Wars robots are deliberately designed to seem a lot dumber than they are, to make them non-threatening to humans. You've got robot soldiers fighting for and alongside human soldiers, or robot advisors to human leaders, you don't want people to fear or distrust the robots, so you make them capable but goofy. No one's worried about C3P0 being around all the time to translate and advise on protocol, because C3P0s a bumbling coward, he's totally harmless. That's a decent idea, yeah. The alternative is the Butlerian Jihad 
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Feb 24, 2015 17:49
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Pook Good Mook posted:Satan. I'm not sure if there's an actual 'Satan' devil dude but Mephisto pretty much fits the bill. And Thanos made him his bitch. And then Thanos killed half the universe and killed such abstract concepts as the personification of time and the universe itself etc. So I'd say Thanos is the ultimate big bad. Thanos is even his OWN worst enemy.
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Feb 24, 2015 17:56
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Rough Lobster posted:I'm not sure if there's an actual 'Satan' devil dude but Mephisto pretty much fits the bill. And Thanos made him his bitch. And then Thanos killed half the universe and killed such abstract concepts as the personification of time and the universe itself etc. So I'd say Thanos is the ultimate big bad. Thanos is even his OWN worst enemy. Thanos was bad enough he was able to bring death to a deathless universe. The Cancerverse lost to Thanos.
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Feb 24, 2015 18:00
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MisterBibs posted:My Marvel understanding is suspect, but I recall reading that Galactus is inherently anti-Celestial because Celestials are seeded into the cores of planets as part of their development cycle, and G's inherent need to consume planets basically keeps the Celestial numbers down. I think that's just in the Earth/Universe/Paradise X series which isn't necessarily the marvel universe as we generally know it. And which starts out interesting but sort of disappears up its own arse.
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Feb 24, 2015 20:02
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Fil5000 posted:I think that's just in the Earth/Universe/Paradise X series which isn't necessarily the marvel universe as we generally know it. And which starts out interesting but sort of disappears up its own arse. There is an entire comics sub forum. Irrationally irritating movie moment: Robocop 2014 - what the hell was that pseudo explanation about how Murphy is now a robot who thinks he is a human, and that somehow is okay under the dreyfus act, which prohibits robot police/soldiers in the US. Edit: VVVV ah, gotcha, I didn't realize it was a "but let's keep this between us" kind of thing. Brother Tadger has a new favorite as of 07:38 on Feb 25, 2015 |
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Feb 24, 2015 20:06
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1redflag posted:There is an entire comics sub forum. The idea was that as far as the world was concerned, it was a dude with robot parts, thus making it appear like a robot is not making the decisions. However, it was more that he was a robot with dude parts.
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Feb 25, 2015 00:17
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Yeah, it was explicitly there to get around the legislation. It was something only the people in that room were intended to know rather than the public at large.
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Feb 25, 2015 01:15
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Zaphod42 posted:But that's actually kinda the point; he starts out as Paul Atreides and then by the end he is the Kwizatz Haderach, Muad'dib, and Usul. In the same way that Dune is a study of how the culture changes the planet's ecology, its also a study of how the culture changes foreigners. Paul is pretty much "Prince John Smith" at the beginning of Dune, but by the end of it he's the exact opposite; he's the leader of the natives of Dune and he's their cultural and religious icon. That transformation is key. Atreides sounds cool and spacey to begin with though, Paul doesn't. Like I said it's an irrational irritation, I'm not blind to literary devices or religious symbolism.
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Feb 25, 2015 01:18
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