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Three Olives posted:If they don't have the banks on board it is still going to be useless, sorry, I don't want to funnel all my transactions through a pre-paid debit card when I have a bank account and a credit card that I get points on. Oh, I agree as well. Until I can actually use it as a virtual card, they might as well not even bother.
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The existing Google Wallet already works with a wide variety of credit cards. It works with all of mine, anyway.
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Rastor posted:The existing Google Wallet already works with a wide variety of credit cards. It works with all of mine, anyway. There's 'work' and then there's work. Google wallet currently 'works' with all credit cards because it's a proxy payment. You pay with phone, it bills google, google bills your credit card. That's a poo poo implementation though because it screws with stuff on the credit card end. Get extra perks buying fuel? Not anymore! Your card just sees a debit from Google, not Sunoco so the extra perks don't kick in. Want to cash in that extended year warranty on your $1500 TV that you bought through Wallet? You'll likely be up poo poo creek because your receipt will not match your statement so the claim will be denied. I want native transactions on my card from Wallet before I would even consider using it.
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Feb 23, 2015 20:56
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All this new Google Wallet poo poo will probably never be available in Canada 
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Feb 23, 2015 21:16
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Rastor posted:Sounds like something may be up with your "Google" app. Try clearing its settings, reverting app updates, etc. Uninstalling updates worked, thank you.
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From what I read before, the payment tokenization process that Apple Pay uses was created by the card brands, not Apple, and the tech is available to others (IIRC the exclusivity period with Apple was until the end of 2014). With actual standardized processes in place for loading credit cards into devices, generating the token, and passing it into the payment network, then it's probably easier for Google Wallet to get banks on board.
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Feb 23, 2015 21:38
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kitten smoothie posted:From what I read before, the payment tokenization process that Apple Pay uses was created by the card brands, not Apple, and the tech is available to others (IIRC the exclusivity period with Apple was until the end of 2014). The standard has been in place for a while, Google Wallet and Softcard use the same standard and have for years sans virtual card numbers, the issue has always been getting the banks to issue the tokens. Honestly I don't know that they are any more willing to issue the tokens now than they were before, even with virtual card numbers, I think the Android eco-system is just too fragmented for them to want to take the support risk.
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Feb 23, 2015 21:45
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The entire non-Apple mobile payment ecosystem is an omnishambles because everyone involved is fighting over who gets to keep a slice of the pie, without agreeing on who should actually make the pie or what should be in the pie, resulting in customers being served a cold, thin, greasy, half-baked turd slice and everyone else fighting over the crumbs
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so I could say that I finally figured out what this god damned cube is doing. Get well Lowtax.
CLAM DOWN posted:All this new Google Wallet poo poo will probably never be available in Canada We are years ahead of America in debit card tech, so who knows, but you're probably right.
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Feb 23, 2015 23:48
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I think users themselves are one of the biggest obstacles Google Wallet faces. Most Android owners don't even bother to enable Google Now, much less going through the steps to enable Wallet. Google needs to find a way to create the same kind of zeal Apple inspires in their users. Facebook was flooded with poorly shot panorama pictures the moment it became available on iOS, despite the feature being available on Android since 2010. Same thing with Apple pay, an enthusiasm Google can't seem to generate in its users.
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For some reason, Google Now thinks my work (really the commuter parking lot at school) is different than what Google Maps (correctly) thinks. I tried to edit the Now version from the commute card, but it couldn't find the intersection I used for Maps. Is this just a case of  , or am I doing something wrong?
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Feb 24, 2015 04:02
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hooah posted:For some reason, Google Now thinks my work (really the commuter parking lot at school) is different than what Google Maps (correctly) thinks. I tried to edit the Now version from the commute card, but it couldn't find the intersection I used for Maps. Is this just a case of
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Desk Lamp posted:I think users themselves are one of the biggest obstacles Google Wallet faces. Most Android owners don't even bother to enable Google Now, much less going through the steps to enable Wallet. Well Apple Pay supports like dozens and dozens of banks across hundreds of credit/debit cards while Google Wallet/Softcard supports like 6 total so maybe before we get all like "gently caress the Apple Sheep" we could ask that our poo poo actually works at all?
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Desk Lamp posted:I think users themselves are one of the biggest obstacles Google Wallet faces. Most Android owners don't even bother to enable Google Now, much less going through the steps to enable Wallet. It's the same reason a BMW is the Ultimate Driving Machine and a Honda is a Honda. I'm not saying there aren't smaller steps along the way that causes this case specifically. Obviously Google isn't selling phones, carriers and OEMs are. Google doesn't have a unified product line, they have an ecosystem. But in the end no matter the specifics it's because Apple and Google aren't even competing for the same thing. Edit: I should add that this is the one thing Samsung got right. They cargo culted Apple to an astounding degree but the one thing they got, whether by aping Apple or coming up with it themselves, is that they had to control their brand. They understood that they couldn't let carriers call identical phones something different on every carrier. They had to make sure that customers came into stores to buy a "Samsung" or a "Galaxy" and not a "Droid". Samsung's poo poo was was just as bad as everyone else's at the time so it's not like they were standing out through quality (the vibrant display on the Galaxy S probably helped though). What made them a success and every other OEM a failure was good brand positioning and it's the one thing they still do better than every Android OEM. Really if their products had been good, not great but just passable, they probably wouldn't be in the position they're in. They have a lot of institutional and strategic problems but the biggest one is clearly overpromising and underdelivering on exactly the thing you're wanting right now: the hunger for the anti-Apple crowd to have a team to be on. ClassActionFursuit fucked around with this message at 07:35 on Feb 24, 2015 |
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Feb 24, 2015 07:23
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It's a real stretch to call either Apple or BMW 'niche'
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dissss posted:It's a real stretch to call either Apple or BMW 'niche' Neither Apple nor BMW are trying to be the biggest computer or automaker in the world. In fact if they were it would hurt both their brands. They each have the followings they do because they aren't even attempting to be the largest company in the business they're in. They have their followings because they want to be the best at it. That's why their devotees love them. They most certainly are niche, in every sense of the word. Their exclusivity is part and parcel with who they are and what they do. Edit: BMW commands 2.3% of the US market.  OS X commands 8.16% of the global market. iOS controls 12.3% of the global market. They're certainly not trying be everything to everyone. ClassActionFursuit fucked around with this message at 09:38 on Feb 24, 2015 |
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on Apple or its users. I'm saying it's a remarkable effect that Google and it's partners should also seek to achieve. Only a handful of nerds have ever even mustered the drive to try Wallet. On the Apple side, completely regular people, who are not even tech enthusiasts in the slightest, are trying out Apple Pay just because it's the hot new thing. Google, Samsung, Motorola and everyone else need to find a way to generate that kind of enthusiasm for their features.
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Desk Lamp posted:Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on Apple or its users. I'm saying it's a remarkable effect that Google and it's partners should also seek to achieve. When I bought my MacBook Air in 2011 I had never used a Mac. I'd always build my own desktops and could flatten and reinstall Windows on my laptops. I could fix other people's computers and I knew how to troubleshoot and fix my own too. Why would I buy a MacBook Air then? Because I had a Dell for 7 years that didn't really die it just got old and slow. Then I bought a new Dell and the screen was worse, the trackpad was horrible, and the build quality was atrocious. I had the motherboard replaced under warranty once because the power plug hole broke. Then, after thirteen months of ownership it just died and Dell said it would be $470 to look at it (not fix it, look at it). The laptop was about $1000 so I wasn't going to pay that for what wasn't a great laptop to begin with. I went out and got an Air. You know what? The trackpad is amazing, better than any mouse I've ever used. The build quality is phenomenal. It's beautiful, lightweight, and a genuine pleasure to use in every way. Turns out the software was excellent too. Sure, some things were kind of weird and made for use in a way I wasn't used to but you know what? The more I used it the more I liked using it. It's easily the best experience I've had not just with computers, but with any kind of technology ever. Over time I've found that I love it more. Sure, sometimes Apple pushes out an update that's less than great (10.10.1 was terrible) but here it is 3 years later and it's running better than the day I bought it. It's genuinely the best $1300 I've ever spent on anything. Since then I've convinced three other people to buy one, including my wife's grandmother. She's not exactly a computer expert but in 18 months she hasn't had a single issue at all with it. Every single person I've convinced to buy one likes it a lot and has zero complaints. But that's how you get a fan, and by that I mean a fanatic: You make a product that people love. It's isn't something you generate, it's something you naturally get when you make something that is truly great. And it's not like this is something unique to Apple either. Think about other truly special things that have rapid fans like the Miata or the Mustang or certain artists/movies/TV, all of these things are special first, then comes the fanaticism. You can't just create it around something you've made, you have to make something out of a pursuit of excellence and hope your audience is there. Sorry, that was much longer than the thing I had originally typed but I think it conveys what I mean. I want to re-emphasize that I don't think you're wrong about wanting enthusiasm at all, I just wanted to hopefully show why fanatics are, well, fanatical.
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GWBBQ posted:Open the Google app, go to menu > customize > places That's set to the location Maps uses. I did have a card this morning asking me if I cared about travel time to somewhere that looked like Now's concept of my work location and I said no, so we'll see. Edit: nope, still got the card to some random place on campus. hooah fucked around with this message at 13:24 on Feb 24, 2015 |
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LastInLine posted:I had a bunch of stuff typed out but I deleted it because maybe this will explain the bolded part and why you won't get this on Android. Did Google even have commercials for Wallet? I see a commercial for Apple Pay every day.
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b0nes posted:Did Google even have commercials for Wallet? I see a commercial for Apple Pay every day. But those are done by the credit card companies saying they support the feature, not Apple directly. That is Google's greatest problem, they fail to engage their partners. For example, that's why I returned the Nexus Player. Sure it had it's rough edges that could be overlooked, but that wasn't the reason. The reason is the goddamn Netflix app could only do stereo. Two channel PCM was the only audio output option from Netflix. That, right there, is representative on how Google fucks up with their ecosystems. At no point during the development process of Android TV or since did Google call up the largest streaming platform and say "Hey, what can we do to ensure that you support a basic loving feature for our media streamer?" It completely blows my mind that someone could launch a media streamer in 2014 that does not have Dolby Digital support for Netflix. That it wasn't caught before launch or fixed in the subsequent months since speaks volumes for the way Google operates. Complaints on their product forums fall on deaf ears saying "the responsibility is with the app maker." Yes, that is true to a certain extent. But is it too much that two big boy companies that are supposed to be partners have a 5 minute conference call to discuss a required feature for a media streamer? The same goes with the Google Cast support. There's no reason why the Nexus Player can't emulate a Chromecast perfectly allowing all apps that Cast to work with it, but that's not the case. Vudu doesn't even recognize it (something they changed on their end rather than deal with complaints that casting wasn't working.) They also state the have no intention of ever supporting the Android TV. Flixster doesn't work either. Google shovels the onus on all this stuff not working on the app maker while completely abdicating on working with key partners to make sure their latest new and shiny actually works.
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Desk Lamp posted:Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on Apple or its users. I'm saying it's a remarkable effect that Google and it's partners should also seek to achieve. This is dumb, people don't use Google Wallet because it doesn't work with their credit cards/debit cards, period. And no, that Google pre-paid card does not count, it's a retarded workaround. Maybe now that Google has access to the SIM secure element banks will be willing to give them tokens, my understanding of the problem was the banks were fine with the Isis secure element but the carriers were being huge pricks and demanding large swipe fees, Google wanted to work with the banks but they didn't trust the security. Google Wallet doesn't work, Apple Pay does, that is all that you need to know to understand why consumers use one but not the other.
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Three Olives posted:This is dumb, people don't use Google Wallet because it doesn't work with their credit cards/debit cards, period. And no, that Google pre-paid card does not count, it's a retarded workaround. No. No one has even opened the app to find out if it works with their card.
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Three Olives posted:This is dumb, people don't use Google Wallet because it doesn't work with their credit cards/debit cards, period. And no, that Google pre-paid card does not count, it's a retarded workaround.
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Three Olives posted:Well Apple Pay supports like dozens and dozens of banks across hundreds of credit/debit cards while Google Wallet/Softcard supports like 6 total so maybe before we get all like "gently caress the Apple Sheep" we could ask that our poo poo actually works at all? If Wallet worked that way, which it certainly will someday, I would have used it. As long as there's room for enough logos on the customer terminal (or nfc pad) there's no reason they won't both eventually be common. Google should do whatever they can to use Apple Pay as an example from the user's perspective before it will matter though. The US switchover (in policy) to EMV this year is going to incur costs that most places will choose to undertake for liability purposes. That means a lot of businesses will be at least glancing over the market for payment gateways and hardware, especially if they don't currently have EMV capable hardware. Because of the liability advantage of Apple Pay to businesses, I bet there will be a huge influx of support coming this year. Under the assumption that Wallet support can be added via software at the gateway end, there's a good chance Wallet can simply build off of Apple Pay's momentum. Apple will force the technology into the market, prove the concept and get vendor suppor. Then Wallet can simply catch up from a user experience standpoint since the hardware and software will be in place.
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Thermopyle posted:No. I think a portion of it is maturity. Apple may be late to the game, but they get partners setup to do everything seamlessly and without a word to the public so when they talk it all just (almost always) works.
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Rastor posted:Hello. Please cite an example of a major (Visa / MasterCard / Discover / American Express) credit/debit card, issued in the USA, that does not work with Google Wallet. Name a gas station that doesn't accept Bitcoin if you turn it into a Visa gift card first?
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Three Olives posted:Name a gas station that doesn't accept Bitcoin if you turn it into a Visa gift card first? Have you ever used Google Wallet?
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gently caress me but the N6 and/or lollipop is such poo poo these days
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Three Olives posted:Name a gas station that doesn't accept Bitcoin if you turn it into a Visa gift card first? Even then, this is all a result of Google failing to work with their partners and shove their weight around like Apple does.
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Really basic question here. Up until recently I had a 2010 HTC Legend and didn't give a gently caress about cleaning the screen. Now I have a second hand xperia z ultra with a huge beautiful screen. How can I best clean the screen? Can I use isopropyl alcohol? I have a endless supply of that at work.
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I think Apple got people to get their poo poo together. You couldn't do wallet poo poo because none of the POS poo poo was hooked up at the stores until recently- even though they've had the capacity for like 5 years. edit: nevermind I think I have this confused with something else
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AlexanderCA posted:Really basic question here. Up until recently I had a 2010 HTC Legend and didn't give a gently caress about cleaning the screen. Now I have a second hand xperia z ultra with a huge beautiful screen. How can I best clean the screen? Can I use isopropyl alcohol? I have a endless supply of that at work. Don't use alcohol or any other cleaning detergent. They will gently caress up the oleophobic coating on your screen. Just use a clean cloth/your tshirt/your pants.
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Three Olives posted:Name a gas station that doesn't accept Bitcoin if you turn it into a Visa gift card first? sleepwalkers posted:Do you really think the layperson knows or cares if their card is technically going through a prepaid Google Mastercard? People don't use Google Wallet because they don't know it exists, or that it works with their phone, or that it works with their card (and it does, even if it's a workaround on Google's part; people pay, it comes out of their checking account, fin). quote:http://www.zdnet.com/pictures/apple-pay-vs-google-wallet-hands-on-experiences-at-mcdonalds/ I'm genuinely confused what you guys are talking about. Speaking of things working / not working in Android land, the newest Android 5.1 rumors indicate the priority/none notification modes will be made slightly less stupid.
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5.1 makes some tweaks to interrruptions: http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/02/24/android-5-1-feature-spotlight-volume-interruptions-menu-adds-next-alarm-new-option/ (Spoiler: still no silent mode) The flaws of the LED were always apparent to me (probably because I hopped on board with the Nexus S) so I'm not surprised they're sticking to their guns and pushing it aside. It's the SD card of notification methods, most are significantly better off without it. oldpostin' this saved stuff I forgot about : Tunga posted:Mine is like this and I have no clue what is using the battery because it just straight up doesn't tell me. The Battery screen will add up to like 25% and my battery will be down 50%. Phone will go for long periods where it is warm to the touch where the CPU is located (below camera). I've tried killing every app I can find running, restarting the phone, uninstalling apps I don't need, disabling location services, messing around with Wi-fi settings, disabling Tasker, and a bunch of other stuff. I just have no idea what else to try beyond factory resetting the thing. The battery screen is now entirely useless for resolving these issues. The discrepancy in percentage is because "Android OS" no longer adds unaccounted battery drain (aka battery drain due to hardware malfunction/drivers) to its total. That was broken out into its own "Miscellaneous" item in the L Developer Preview, which was then hidden in the final. So your battery screen actually is giving you the answer: if nothing in particular stands out (like Facebook update of the week) its a hardware/driver/low-level Linux problem which you have no control over. Miscellaneous made things more complete percentage wise but I see why they ditched it. It sort of felt like the device was saying "Well, yeah stuff happened. But my favourite show was on so I wasn't really paying attention". Though if you want more detail, since you're a dev there's no need for root/Betterbatterystats: you could just use "adb shell dumpsys batterystats --charged > battery.txt" and go over the text file it produces. The new Lollipop version is pretty readable.
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bryn987 posted:gently caress me but the N6 and/or lollipop is such poo poo these days What problems are you having? I'm having no issues with my N6 and it's easily the best phone I've ever had.
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CLAM DOWN posted:What problems are you having? I'm having no issues with my N6 and it's easily the best phone I've ever had. Same. I was under the impression that the Nexus 6 was one of the phones pretty universally working well on lollipop.
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nerve posted:Same. I was under the impression that the Nexus 6 was one of the phones pretty universally working well on lollipop. -Chrome crashes every few minutes. -Waze locks up with a black screen every time I exit the app. -Timely locks up every time the alarm goes off and I can't turn the alarm off unless I start smashing buttons and then nova launcher crashes Think it might be nova launcher? Or just the apps in general?
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bryn987 posted:-Chrome crashes every few minutes. Chrome works great for me, zero crashes. Are you using some intense websites or something? Don't use Waze. I use Timely daily for my morning alarms and never had a problem. Could be a Nova issue, I'm not sure because I just use the stock launcher.
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