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What did crane say after the phone turned on? After gods?
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Feb 24, 2015 10:28
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Frostwerks posted:What did crane say after the phone turned on? After gods? "God's....wounds."
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Feb 24, 2015 10:29
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Franklin is the best character to ever be on this show. And the actor who plays him deserves all the drat praise I can give him. The pure force of personality that comes off his performance is incredible. If this show doesn't come back, we need an Adventures of Ben Franklin and his Undead Monster Buddy show.
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Feb 24, 2015 14:37
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They really should have started the evil Katrina stuff up right after it came back from the break. As it is they spent way too long just kind of spinning their wheels until something happened.
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Feb 24, 2015 14:52
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So I guess we won't hear about season 3 until the last minute as Fox tries to figure out how to either replace it or do it cheaper. The 18-episode order certainly didn't help. I remember the original pitch was solely 13 ep seasons as fast paced as season 1 but Fox got greedy and wanted more.
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Feb 24, 2015 15:20
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pentyne posted:So I guess we won't hear about season 3 until the last minute as Fox tries to figure out how to either replace it or do it cheaper.
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Feb 24, 2015 15:39
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Lucania posted:She said what she was going to do in the last episode: she was going to let him die for real, with no chance of resurrection. The reason she had to leave Jeremy was because her pissed-off coven was hunting her due to what she did to ensure Crane would live to fight later. If Crane died normally, she would have Jeremy with her since she wouldn't be on the run. Her plan was terrible though. Save her son by allowing Crane to die. Okay. Then what? Moloc winning the war would be bad for everyone, including Katrina and her son. I guess she really didn't have a plan. Her baby died and she has a spell that could fix that, and she didn't really take time to consider the consequences or plan out her next moves.
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Feb 24, 2015 16:02
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I am just really happy that they put in a scene where Benjamin Franklin reacts to finding out he's on the $100 bill. Him asking about what money Jefferson is on was pretty much expected. And hey, they did remember about Franklinstein.
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Feb 24, 2015 16:20
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Seriously, Ben Franklin Monster Hunter spin-off show needs to be a thing,
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Feb 24, 2015 17:09
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Angela Christine posted:Her plan was terrible though. Save her son by allowing Crane to die. Okay. Then what? Moloc winning the war would be bad for everyone, including Katrina and her son. I *think* if she hadn't saved Ichabod in the original timeline the Horseman would've died as well.
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Feb 24, 2015 17:28
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howe_sam posted:I *think* if she hadn't saved Ichabod in the original timeline the Horseman would've died as well.
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Feb 24, 2015 17:37
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Beheadyerman Franklin
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Feb 24, 2015 17:46
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Ending should have returned to Franklin's smoldering lab in the abandoned timeline, in which Franklinstein's monster, brought to life by having pieces of the horseman get blown onto him in the explosion or something, goes over to his slain creator, takes his head and places it on his shoulders, then turns to the camera, says some poo poo about "a nation divided" and then winks, setting up an alternate timeline in which zombie Franklin crowns himself technocrat of the new colonies. Blackout.
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Feb 24, 2015 17:58
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Beyond sane knolls posted:Ending should have returned to Franklin's smoldering lab in the abandoned timeline, in which Franklinstein's monster, brought to life by having pieces of the horseman get blown onto him in the explosion or something, goes over to his slain creator, takes his head and places it on his shoulders, then turns to the camera, says some poo poo about "a nation divided" and then winks, setting up an alternate timeline in which zombie Franklin crowns himself technocrat of the new colonies. Blackout.
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Feb 24, 2015 18:08
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Tokubetsu posted:That new female police chief had maybe eight minutes of screen time the whole season too. Remember in season one how everyone was thrilled that Orlando Jones got on board with the "We've got to fight this supernatural stuff" immediately rather than doing the boring, generic "The people in authority don't know what we're doing" plot? Season two essentially walked right into every cliche that season one nicely sidestepped. Beyond sane knolls posted:Ending should have returned to Franklin's smoldering lab in the abandoned timeline, in which Franklinstein's monster, brought to life by having pieces of the horseman get blown onto him in the explosion or something, goes over to his slain creator, takes his head and places it on his shoulders, then turns to the camera, says some poo poo about "a nation divided" and then winks, setting up an alternate timeline in which zombie Franklin crowns himself technocrat of the new colonies. Blackout. If they returned to modern times where zombie Franklinstein's monster ruled the world with his steampunk armadas, then they might have had something for season three.
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Feb 24, 2015 18:49
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Postal Parcel posted:I think there was some direct executive meddling involved here. The show felt nowhere near as tight or fast paced as last season. The first two episodes of this season were probably its strongest.
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Feb 24, 2015 18:58
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Sober posted:Plenty of creative teams have to write for 22-24 episode seasons. That doesn't really excuse the EPs or the creative team of Sleepy Hollow for not working around it. It's not as simple as "the network buttfucked them, we'll just have to deal."
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Feb 24, 2015 19:53
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If this show doesn't get renewed I'll be pissed. 
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Feb 24, 2015 20:18
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Random Stranger posted:Remember in season one how everyone was thrilled that Orlando Jones got on board with the "We've got to fight this supernatural stuff" immediately rather than doing the boring, generic "The people in authority don't know what we're doing" plot? Season two essentially walked right into every cliche that season one nicely sidestepped. Maybe they should've made her evil.
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Feb 24, 2015 20:28
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Robot Hobo posted:"In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes... and today, my certainty on the former has begun to wane." - Benjamin Franklinstein Ichabod and Abbie are trapped in a flooded cistern and surrounded by a swarm of technologically-enhanced franklinstein fish. FRANKLINSTEIN: [over loudspeaker] Give a man a fish, you've fed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, you've fed him for a lifetime. But I've taught fish to hunt man... And fed my maniacal ambitions of world domination! Witness this, bitches!
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Feb 24, 2015 20:40
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Sober posted:Plenty of creative teams have to write for 22-24 episode seasons. That doesn't really excuse the EPs or the creative team of Sleepy Hollow for not working around it. It's not as simple as "the network buttfucked them, we'll just have to deal." 22/23 ep seasons aren't terrible to write for if you know you have that many episodes beforehand. 13 then the midseason break. It's when they get bumped up to have an extra set of episodes that quality usually drops. I wouldn't be surprised if they learned they got more episodes during production of the first couple.
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Feb 24, 2015 21:13
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I don't know why you guys think Franklinstein would be evil, clearly if he had been in charge slavery would have ended around 1790, America would have a crack unit of wizards/supernatural soldiers to battle any and all type of magical threats and the United States would spread from Greenland to Chile. I guess he'd want a constant stream of french courtesans and he'd insists everyone had a Franklin stove, but eh, I could live with that.
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Feb 24, 2015 22:04
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I have to admit to not being as up for this episode as the people happily square dancing on Katrina's grave. It felt a lot like fanfic and "subtraction fanfic" at that. You know the "I HATEHATEHATEHATEHATEHATE this character, plot event, storyline! So, I'm going write my own story that gets rid of it." I mean, I get it. There were a lot of mistakes this season and some level of cleanup/backtracking needed to be done, but I wish there'd been a couple of bits to make the trip through time about more than just that, like Franklin dropping "Oh, have you guys located the Crown of Amen-Ra yet? You'll need it when Set rises" or Grace suddenly going white witch eyes, grabbing Abbie and saying "Beware the Jabberwock, my child! Get the Vorpal Sword from the Well of Sorrows!" You know, just something to also push events forward.
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Feb 24, 2015 22:15
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They couldn't really leave too much hanging because we're not even sure we're getting renewed. The reason season 1 could end on a cliffhanger was because they already had season 2 ordered.
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Feb 24, 2015 22:26
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I haven't read this thread at all this season but I wanted to jump in to see if anyone else found Katrina's heel-turn in the last two episodes to be as baffling as I did. Apparently I'm not alone. I also had no idea last night's ep was the season finale, or that Katrina's character was so hated among fans. I guess things make slightly more sense now.
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Feb 24, 2015 23:06
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qbert posted:I haven't read this thread at all this season but I wanted to jump in to see if anyone else found Katrina's heel-turn in the last two episodes to be as baffling as I did.
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Feb 24, 2015 23:24
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Early on in the season, I remember thinking that Katrina might ultimately become a villain. But I put those theories away when it seemed like they had resolved to keep her good. Then bam, last minute heel turn, along with total personality change. It absolutely would've been fine if they had made it more gradual.
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Feb 24, 2015 23:35
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Well, this is what I thought: http://youtu.be/-iZW909WuB4?t=17s By the way, I remember there was a trailer some time back that showed Tom Mison in some sort of futuristic casino heist. Can't find anything resembling on IMDB. What was the name of that again?
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Feb 24, 2015 23:43
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Lycus posted:It absolutely would've been fine if they had made it more gradual. And not even that hard, really. She's been using kind of suspect magic all along, and is willing to do ethically grey things to defend her loved ones. If the post-hiatus episodes just jumped into an arc where Henry sought power of his own after Moloch, and Katrina joined with him early on, everything would've made more sense. Also, if Hawley stepped on a magic landmine that killed him and transfered his plots to Jenny. That'd help.
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Feb 24, 2015 23:46
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It was cool to see Headful Headless stomping around. A decent episode but kind of a flat ending. I hope we get another season 
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Feb 24, 2015 23:48
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Dead Katrina means no separation for Death. Also it probably means no head for Death.
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Feb 24, 2015 23:54
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mr.capps posted:Dead Katrina means no separation for Death. Also it probably means no head for Death. But now that she is dead, we really don't have any reason to keep Abraham around. Maybe Jenny will take up the family mantle and become a witch!
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Feb 24, 2015 23:57
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Valeyard posted:But now that she is dead, we really don't have any reason to keep Abraham around. Maybe Jenny will take up the family mantle and become a witch! Katrina was the only thing keeping Abraham reasonable docile this season. Dude went ham on Ichabod for Katrina's love, imagine what he'll do when he finds out Ichabod killed her. (Probably nothing, because this show is over.)
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Feb 25, 2015 00:05
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Henry and Katrina still pulled off the Awaken Witches spell, didn't they? And if they did, how come neither Abby or Jenny were affected? I loved the finale.  Katrina's turn to evil could have been handled better but overall it was very successful. Slide to unlock, indeed. 
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Feb 25, 2015 00:12
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Beyond sane knolls posted:Katrina was the only thing keeping Abraham reasonable docile this season. Dude went ham on Ichabod for Katrina's love, imagine what he'll do when he finds out Ichabod killed her. (Probably nothing, because this show is over.) If Katrina continued as the villain, then Abraham would absolutely rush to her side and become her devoted lackey, which ends the uneasy truce between him and team Witness. If Katrina was killed, then Abraham will have lost both the woman he loves and his only (known) chance to regain his soul, which means he'll have nothing left but revenge against Ichabod and pals. If Katrina was somehow persuaded to return to the good guys' side, that would have to involve turning against Jeremy. At that point, Crane Jr. is probably going to find Abraham and remind him that the Witnesses are the only thing keeping Katrina away from them both.
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Feb 25, 2015 00:23
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hollylolly posted:Henry and Katrina still pulled off the Awaken Witches spell, didn't they? And if they did, how come neither Abby or Jenny were affected? Evil Katrina was by far the best Katrina. I feel even more pissed now. If they'd had her doing murderwitch stuff from the season's top she'd've been great and probably could have stayed.
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Feb 25, 2015 00:28
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Henry and Katrina may be dead, but I doubt they're gone for good. John Noble is way too rad to be written off like that.
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Feb 25, 2015 01:27
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So I finally got around to watching the final two episodes, and I actually thought there was a whole lot more good in there than bad. I may actually have enjoyed this more than the season 1 finale. But holy fart was there a ton of asspulls. Katrina...sigh. What to say that hasn't already been said? Of all the ways they could've done it they went for the one that pulls the rear end most. And now being a witch isn't really a skillset or even a calling but a...what, a species thing now? They're a whole different race than mortal humans? Has this ever been hinted at by the show before?? The whole Metal Gear Irving part was pretty amazing though 'cuz it's like the writers took one look at a plot that was so dry and loving swerved it off the rails in the best way. I really hope this is renewed. 
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Feb 25, 2015 04:23
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mcbexx posted:Well, this is what I thought: http://youtu.be/-iZW909WuB4?t=17s Slingers: https://vimeo.com/7963572 It's just a trailer, sadly it never went beyond that.
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Was cool with a time travel seasong finale, where the roles of Abbie and Ichabod was reversed. A real neat way to end it if its not getting a 3rd season. However Katarina turning felt really halfassed. Its like they didnt really know what to do with the character, and couldnt really think up a strong villian, so they just decided to get rid of Katarina and create a final boss baddie out of her just at the last minute.
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