Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
triplexpac
Mar 24, 2007

Suck it
Two tears in a bucket
And then another thing
I'm not the one they'll try their luck with
Hit hard like brass knuckles
See your face through the turnbuckle dude
I got no love for you
Ah yes home ownership, that magical time when you no longer have to worry about using too much electricity or water

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

triplexpac posted:

Ah yes home ownership, that magical time when you no longer have to worry about using too much electricity or water

Right but you get all that plus interest back when you sell. Every penny you spend on the purchse or upkeep of a house goes into your house as equity, and then when you sell you get it all back PLUS more because they aren't making more land. You can't lose.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
Did any of you renting fucks pay attention to today's BoC speech? I only got the tweets and I've been snowboarding all day

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

In addition to private sector cuts, the commodity crash is already causing austerity type measures in Alberta:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/low-oil-prices-drowning-alberta-s-finances-1.2969151?cmp=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

lmao, it's important to note that clever Albertans setup their budget to assume oil would stay at 95 dollars a barrel over the next few years.

quote:

Private sector forecasts for the Alberta economy range from half a percent of growth in 2015 to a 1.5 per cent contraction. The province itself is forecasting 0.6 per cent growth, which is an improvement over 2009 when the economy contracted by more than four per cent.

Alberta is considering many options to boost revenues, including increasing taxes and reintroducing health-care premiums.

The government has taken several steps to cut costs. Alberta trade offices will close in Ottawa, Chicago and Munich. All members of the legislature have agreed to a five per cent wage cut. Alberta Health Services has brought in a hiring and salary freeze.

Robin Campbell said that next year's shortfall from energy revenue was the size of the entire education budget, or one-third of all public sector salaries.

He also said that Albertans should not take much comfort from this year's surplus.

"That could disappear in a heartbeat," he said. "I would not want anybody coming away thinking we are in good shape."

etalian fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Feb 25, 2015

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret

etalian posted:

In addition to private sector cuts, the commodity crash is already causing austerity type measures in Alberta:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/low-oil-prices-drowning-alberta-s-finances-1.2969151?cmp=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

lmao, it's important to note that clever Albertans setup their budget to assume oil would stay at 95 dollars a barrel over the next few years.

All these loving cuts because they are so afraid of loving debt financing.

Some mentally challenged individual that doesn't understand that a government's finances arent supposed to look like a households posted:

“We’re going to balance this year’s operating budget and carry on the work that Albertans have told us we need to do — deliver core programs and services, and build and maintain the infrastructure that is so important to the quality of life of our growing population.”

http://business.financialpost.com/2...__lsa=772f-3d65

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos
Dumbasses should have balanced the budget with an assumed cost of oil at $50/barrel and thrown the surplus in to the Heritage Fund.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

investco had a nice report:
https://www.invesco.ca/commonAssets/resources/pdf/en/Invesco/INV_GreenwoodCanadaReviewOutlook_ISJFJGE_0215.pdf




Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

You made a fine post for yourself. ...For a casualry, I suppose.

etalian posted:

In addition to private sector cuts, the commodity crash is already causing austerity type measures in Alberta:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/low-oil-prices-drowning-alberta-s-finances-1.2969151?cmp=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

lmao, it's important to note that clever Albertans setup their budget to assume oil would stay at 95 dollars a barrel over the next few years.

The most amazing thing to me is that the part you quoted is under the revealing header: "Companies suffering"

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Heavy neutrino posted:

The most amazing thing to me is that the part you quoted is under the revealing header: "Companies suffering"

One of the cunning plans is bringing back health premiums for the province health plan:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/health-care-premiums-floated-by-alberta-s-finance-minister-1.2963440

Lexicon
Jul 29, 2003

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.

etalian posted:

One of the cunning plans is bringing back health premiums for the province health plan:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/health-care-premiums-floated-by-alberta-s-finance-minister-1.2963440

Why not just raise the income taxes? BC has "premiums" but they aren't premiums at all - they simply go into general revenue. It seems enormously wasteful to have this whole level of bureaucracy to manage and take these general payments when it could easily be rolled into income tax.

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos

etalian posted:

One of the cunning plans is bringing back health premiums for the province health plan:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/health-care-premiums-floated-by-alberta-s-finance-minister-1.2963440
Alberta is a joke.

Lexicon posted:

Why not just raise the income taxes? BC has "premiums" but they aren't premiums at all - they simply go into general revenue. It seems enormously wasteful to have this whole level of bureaucracy to manage and take these general payments when it could easily be rolled into income tax.
Because they don't even have a progressive taxation system. Just a flat income tax and no sales tax.

An Albertan with an income of $50,000 will pay twice as much provincial taxes as someone with the same income in Ontario. Now they'll get to pay a healthcare premium as well.

cowofwar fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Feb 25, 2015

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum

Lexicon posted:

Why not just raise the income taxes? BC has "premiums" but they aren't premiums at all - they simply go into general revenue. It seems enormously wasteful to have this whole level of bureaucracy to manage and take these general payments when it could easily be rolled into income tax.

This is how it's handled in all the other provinces, as far as I know, which is why many Canadians suffer under the delusion that we have free universal health care rather than a system which is only slightly different from that of the US.

BC prefers nickle & dime taxation which allows them to fake the taxes as "low" but actually extracts higher revenue from the populace overall. If you rolled all the sundry premiums and fees this province charges at every turn, we'd likely have one of the highest personal tax rates in the country.

Health Services
Feb 27, 2009

Cultural Imperial posted:

Did any of you renting fucks pay attention to today's BoC speech? I only got the tweets and I've been snowboarding all day

Here's the speech: http://www.bankofcanada.ca/2015/02/lessons-new-old-reinventing-central-banking/

Poloz briefly reviews the history of central banking and the results of inflation targeting policies. He finds that low levels of inflation are necessary but not sufficient for financial stability, but that low nominal interest rates can lead to increased risk tolerance and leverage rates, raising the risk of crises, and that economic imbalances caused by excessive debt are particularly hazardous. Consequently, targeting low inflation carries risks, and can result in limited options for central banks to respond. The increasing interconnectedness of the global financial system also means that domestic financial stability is not enough to prevent crises, as shocks from around the world may be transmitted and amplified. The Bank of Canada has responded by increasing international cooperation; conducting better risk assessments with more sources of data; and analyzing how monetary policy influences risks to financial systems. While the Bank of Canada believes the pros of inflation targeting outweigh the cons, and is still committed to the policy, a lower future natural rate of interest will leave the Bank with even less maneuvering room.

As well, Poloz is concerned about the unknown effects of globalization and global supply chains; the effect of more economies having heavily managed exchange rates; the baby boomer retirements; structural changes to income distribution; and the macroeconomic effects of small firms, which Poloz believes the economic recovery depends on. Poloz thinks the sudden drop in oil prices has increased risks related to Canadian household indebtedness; to full employment and full economic capacity; and to the ability to target stable inflation. The drop in interest rates last month was intended to insure the economy against those risks and buy time for the Bank to assess the economic effects.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
lol

quote:

Foreign real estate buyers to pay fees of at least $5,000 under foreign investment review system
By business reporter Michael Janda

The Federal Government has flagged fees of at least $5,000 for foreign buyers of Australian residential real estate.

At a press conference in Sydney, the Prime Minister and Treasurer announced a raft of changes to laws that govern the ability of foreign buyers (temporary residents and non-residents) to purchase Australian residential property.

Unveiling the key contents of a consultation paper, Treasurer Joe Hockey said the proposed measures were designed to restore confidence in a foreign investment review system that has not prosecuted anyone for breaching the rules since 2006.

"For any foreign investor that wants to buy a residential property under $1 million there will be a $5,000 application fee," he told reporters.

"Over $1 million, it will be $10,000 for every extra million dollars in the purchase price.


"Secondly, there will be a new register set up so that we know how many foreign residential and agricultural property owners are in Australia, who they are, which is a very important form of reassurance to the Australian people.

"And, if anyone does break the law then we can fine them up to 25 per cent of the value of the property as well as forcing them to sell the property."

The fees outlined by the Government are much higher than those recommended in a report by the House of Representatives Economics Committee, which suggested an administrative charge of up to $1,500, with the money raised used to fund the Foreign Investment Review Board (FIRB).

The Treasurer also said that businesses applying for FIRB approval to buyout Australian companies worth more than a billion dollars would face an application fee of $100,000, while other applications to buy businesses would attract a $25,000 fee.

Mr Hockey said the new fees will be collected by Treasury, and will be included the forthcoming budget's forward estimates.

"The proposed fees will raise in excess of $200 million a year, but obviously that depends on demand," Mr Hockey said.

"At the moment, we simply do not have enough data and that's because no-one has taken foreign investment regimes seriously in the past."

When asked whether the proposed fees were "just a way to milk foreign investors", Mr Hockey replied that they were currently being subsidised by the taxpayer because of the lack of application fees.

"At the moment they don't pay anything when they lodge applications, they get a free service from the Australian taxpayer. That is unacceptable and obviously transactions now are far more complicated."

The proposed changes would also see the FIRB's real estate enforcement activities shifted to a new specialist unit within the Australian Taxation Office (ATO).

The discussion paper said that the ATO seemed the most suitable agency to perform the task as it has staff with appropriate compliance and enforcement skills, sophisticated data-matching systems and experience pursuing court action.

The ATO would be enforcing a civil penalty system with a range of fines for those breaching the rules, from $2,040 for those inadvertently failing to seek approval for a purchase who voluntarily turn themselves in, through to 10 per cent of the value of the property for deliberately failing to seek approval.

For those who purchase properties they are not allowed to, the penalty would be up to 25 per cent of the property's value and a forced sale.

The Government is also proposing a fine of up to $42,500 for individuals who help a foreign buyer breach the rules, which could catch out people such as real estate agents, conveyancers and local family members who assist unlawful purchases.

Submissions on the proposals are being accepted by Treasury until March 20, after which the Government will make a final decision about which to enact.

Lexicon
Jul 29, 2003

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.

Rime posted:

BC prefers nickle & dime taxation which allows them to fake the taxes as "low" but actually extracts higher revenue from the populace overall. If you rolled all the sundry premiums and fees this province charges at every turn, we'd likely have one of the highest personal tax rates in the country.

Ain't that the truth. It's so dishonest and self-deluding though. I'd much rather have an adult conversation about how much the province costs to run and the level of taxation across income and sales tax necessary to support that, rather than these myriad ways that they hide stealth taxes.

One feature of US jurisdictions that has always stood out as a mostly-BC-er is the pricing of government things - in a given state, the price to get a driver's licence is always $21.50 or whatever - some price that's clearly indexed and bears some relationship to the underlying cost for the service. Compare that to BC, where you just know it would never not be rounded up to the nearest $25 or $50.

Jan
Feb 27, 2008

The disruptive powers of excessive national fecundity may have played a greater part in bursting the bonds of convention than either the power of ideas or the errors of autocracy.

etalian posted:

lmao, it's important to note that clever Albertans setup their budget to assume oil would stay at 95 dollars a barrel over the next few years.

It's a pretty sound assumption. Oil prices, like housing prices, can only go up.

:ironicat:

B33rChiller
Aug 18, 2011




Lexicon posted:

Ain't that the truth. It's so dishonest and self-deluding though. I'd much rather have an adult conversation about how much the province costs to run and the level of taxation across income and sales tax necessary to support that, rather than these myriad ways that they hide stealth taxes.

One feature of US jurisdictions that has always stood out as a mostly-BC-er is the pricing of government things - in a given state, the price to get a driver's licence is always $21.50 or whatever - some price that's clearly indexed and bears some relationship to the underlying cost for the service. Compare that to BC, where you just know it would never not be rounded up to the nearest $25 or $50.

See also: All the little government mandated courses and BS qualifications you need to do any job in this province. Want to wash dishes at your local restaurant? Better get foodsafe first. Want to be a cashier at a liquor store? You got serving it right? Want to drive a forklift? You got a licence for that? I understand the necessity of training for certain things, but instead of saying the restaurant is responsible for having a food safety program and training their employees, our government somehow thinks they need this whole training industry surrounding basic concepts like "Wash those filthy mitts before handling food" and "keep hot food hot and cold food cold"

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

lolling at Alberta
-Overly reliant on energy industry
-Province government used oil revenues to balance province budget, assumed $95 per barrel for a long period of time
-Oil crash means public sector austerity due to obsession with balanced budget
-Multi-billion dollar capex cuts and 30,000 layoffs for energy industry
-Things like inflated home prices driven by oil bubble and also big population migration to Alberta for energy jobs
-lower tier strippers compared to Montreal

Jan posted:

It's a pretty sound assumption. Oil prices, like housing prices, can only go up.

:ironicat:

Lots of local news articles seem to enjoy citing experts on how the crash will be a short term problem, even though the scale of production and storage caused by the asset bloat problem probably means
it will take years to escape the current rock bottom energy commodity prices.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

B33rChiller posted:

our government somehow thinks they need this whole training industry surrounding basic concepts like "Wash those filthy mitts before handling food" and "keep hot food hot and cold food cold"

I've dealt with a few restaurants now in various contexts. There are some solid people in it for sure, but holy gently caress are a lot of people really, really, painfully stupid. I don't trust them to know how to spell their own loving names, much less how to safely handle food.

Judging by some of the inspection reports I've seen, people are really bad at. Like, raw meat juices dripping onto produce in the fridge and whatnot. So, it shouldn't be necessary, but it obviously is.

Jan
Feb 27, 2008

The disruptive powers of excessive national fecundity may have played a greater part in bursting the bonds of convention than either the power of ideas or the errors of autocracy.

etalian posted:

-lower tier strippers compared to Montreal

Well yes, I should hope so, Montreal is reputed for its poutine, its bagels and its strip clubs.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Jan posted:

Well yes, I should hope so, Montreal is reputed for its poutine, its bagels and its strip clubs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6KoWwGRYDg

sbaldrick
Jul 19, 2006
Driven by Hate

Cultural Imperial posted:

No poo poo. I once paid 550 for a studio.

I remember paying this in Ottawa, I miss those days.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

sbaldrick posted:

I remember paying this in Ottawa, I miss those days.

A sane national level housing policy would be focused on reasonable affordable rents for everyone instead of the current lovely casino mindset.

etalian fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Feb 25, 2015

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

etalian posted:

I sane national level housing policy would be focused on reasonable affordable rents for everyone instead of the current lovely casino mindset.

What are you, some kind of communist?

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

etalian posted:

I sane national level housing policy would be focused on reasonable affordable rents for everyone instead of the current lovely casino mindset.

That's a nice end goal, but what would you do specifically to achieve it that's not going to backfire in some way? Our current system incentivizes lovely behaviour, but a lot of other proposed systems simply incentivize different lovely behaviour.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

PT6A posted:

That's a nice end goal, but what would you do specifically to achieve it that's not going to backfire in some way? Our current system incentivizes lovely behaviour, but a lot of other proposed systems simply incentivize different lovely behaviour.

Copy clever germans, they do various things to discourage rapid home price increases and things like the Vienna model provide good quality affordable housing for everyone.

Of course things like Vienna model only work because the central government heavily subsidizes the whole process but IMO the current system is pumping billions of dollars into the home ownership casino.

Ironically enough the CMHC was originally created to provide low cost public housing for WWII vets but over time its objective mutated into something else aka serving as piggy bank for the banking sector.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

Health Services posted:

Here's the speech: http://www.bankofcanada.ca/2015/02/lessons-new-old-reinventing-central-banking/

Poloz briefly reviews the history of central banking and the results of inflation targeting policies. He finds that low levels of inflation are necessary but not sufficient for financial stability, but that low nominal interest rates can lead to increased risk tolerance and leverage rates, raising the risk of crises, and that economic imbalances caused by excessive debt are particularly hazardous. Consequently, targeting low inflation carries risks, and can result in limited options for central banks to respond. The increasing interconnectedness of the global financial system also means that domestic financial stability is not enough to prevent crises, as shocks from around the world may be transmitted and amplified. The Bank of Canada has responded by increasing international cooperation; conducting better risk assessments with more sources of data; and analyzing how monetary policy influences risks to financial systems. While the Bank of Canada believes the pros of inflation targeting outweigh the cons, and is still committed to the policy, a lower future natural rate of interest will leave the Bank with even less maneuvering room.

As well, Poloz is concerned about the unknown effects of globalization and global supply chains; the effect of more economies having heavily managed exchange rates; the baby boomer retirements; structural changes to income distribution; and the macroeconomic effects of small firms, which Poloz believes the economic recovery depends on. Poloz thinks the sudden drop in oil prices has increased risks related to Canadian household indebtedness; to full employment and full economic capacity; and to the ability to target stable inflation. The drop in interest rates last month was intended to insure the economy against those risks and buy time for the Bank to assess the economic effects.

Awesome! Thanks

Count Canuckula
Oct 22, 2014

Jesus gently caress I love Smoke's

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Count Canuckula posted:

Jesus gently caress I love Smoke's

trigger warning?

less than three
Aug 9, 2007



Fallen Rib

Count Canuckula posted:

Jesus gently caress I love Smoke's

I was quite dissapointed when they opened shop here. It was crap compared to local shops.

Jan
Feb 27, 2008

The disruptive powers of excessive national fecundity may have played a greater part in bursting the bonds of convention than either the power of ideas or the errors of autocracy.

etalian posted:

Copy clever germans, they do various things to discourage rapid home price increases and things like the Vienna model provide good quality affordable housing for everyone.

Of course things like Vienna model only work because the central government heavily subsidizes the whole process but IMO the current system is pumping billions of dollars into the home ownership casino.

Ironically enough the CMHC was originally created to provide low cost public housing for WWII vets but over time its objective mutated into something else aka serving as piggy bank for the banking sector.

I have a serious eurocrush on Germany. Granted, I've only stayed in the Baden-Württemberg area, and barely transited north of that, but just from what little I've seen, it's like they take all the lovely things about Quebecistan and make them awesome.

Mandatory eco-friendly standards on new constructions, exacting standards and maintenance on old ones, mandatory inspection and phasing out of old vehicles, great tramway service even with the excuse of "but winter!", motorists that actually respect the developing cycling network (though god help you if you decide to jaywalk when you shouldn't), not a single drat pothole in sight anywhere... Add cheap but awesome beer and delicious boudin and sausage products to the mix, and I was just about ready to relinquish my Canadian citizenship and become eurotrash on the spot. Literally the only inconvenience I've encountered is the exorbitant price of bicycle tubes in that area (10€ for a piece of latex, what the christ).

Edit: But to stay on topic, mostly, I was seriously impressed by the simple tradeoffs I've experienced in the 4 AirBnB places I've stayed in. Those fancy yet simple windows where you can just turn the handle to let a breeze in without opening the entire thing, instant water heating instead of big unyieldy water tanks (more expensive but an unquestionable gain in the long run), "smart" thermostats in every single place (though that might just be the places I've stayed at)... Yeah.

Jan fucked around with this message at 06:46 on Feb 25, 2015

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret

less than three posted:

I was quite dissapointed when they opened shop here. It was crap compared to local shops.

They had the saddest little food trailer I ever did see in Calgary during stampede.

Could see it from outside my window and maybe a customer a night.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Jan posted:

I have a serious eurocrush on Germany. Granted, I've only stayed in the Baden-Württemberg area, and barely transited north of that, but just from what little I've seen, it's like they take all the lovely things about Quebecistan and make them awesome.

Mandatory eco-friendly standards on new constructions, exacting standards and maintenance on old ones, mandatory inspection and phasing out of old vehicles, great tramway service even with the excuse of "but winter!", motorists that actually respect the developing cycling network (though god help you if you decide to jaywalk when you shouldn't), not a single drat pothole in sight anywhere... Add cheap but awesome beer and delicious boudin and sausage products to the mix, and I was just about ready to relinquish my Canadian citizenship and become eurotrash on the spot. Literally the only inconvenience I've encountered is the exorbitant price of bicycle tubes in that area (10€ for a piece of latex, what the christ).

Basically german's housing goal seeks to have minimal housing/rent cost inflation over time, they do it mainly through a combination of factors include state meddling in the market but also making it easy for private sector developers to expand as long as they follow the central plan for the area aka avoid spawl.

So basically you have world class cities like Munich and Berlin with rents around 800 euro to 1200 euros for 1 bed, but on they flip side they don't have insane rates like NYC/SF.

The US system on the other hand assumes that by providing easy credit be nice to the banks and also heavily subsidizing home ownership not rentals through things such as tax cuts/30 year loans you get affordable housing.

Instead you get a casino roller coaster in the system with constant boom and bust cycles due to reckless stupid nature of the banking sector.

For some reason most of the world seems to now think the US model makes the most sense.

etalian fucked around with this message at 06:52 on Feb 25, 2015

on the left
Nov 2, 2013
I Am A Gigantic Piece Of Shit

Literally poo from a diseased human butt

etalian posted:

For some reason most of the world seems to now think the US model makes the most sense.

High leverage combined with generally stable modest returns is viewed by the public as free money. If you stop this and cause prices to fall, you will be treated as if you directly confiscated money out of savings accounts.

JawKnee
Mar 24, 2007





You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

less than three posted:

I was quite dissapointed when they opened shop here. It was crap compared to local shops.

yeah, cracp compared to mean poutine

Ceciltron
Jan 11, 2007

Text BEEP to 43527 for the dancing robot!
Pillbug
A Smoke's opened up here across from Concordia's dowtown campus and lasted a little under two years. It's gone now. The poutines were fine, but $10+ is too much for fries, gravy and cheese.

Ceciltron fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Feb 25, 2015

Count Canuckula
Oct 22, 2014
London only has one poutine place and it's Smoke's. Apparently I'm missing out on better quality poutine :smith:

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
Smokes in Winnipeg is OK but then tons of people got their cards skimmed and I don't think its doing well anymore.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005
I went to some little hole-in-the-wall in Canmore last night that had the best poutine ever. La Belle Patate.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Arabian Jesus
Feb 15, 2008

We've got the American Jesus
Bolstering national faith

We've got the American Jesus
Overwhelming millions every day

Smokes in Ottawa is alright if it's past midnight and you're too lazy to walk to Zak's.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply