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gfanikf posted:Am I the only one who just thought they were a hologram or video on a data drive Pym brought back vs real deal Beyonders? Pym took out something from his helmet to give to Reed, and it was a picture of the Beyonders. They didn't come back.
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Codependent Poster posted:Pym took out something from his helmet to give to Reed, and it was a picture of the Beyonders. They didn't come back. The main reason I thought this was that every other display Reed uses throughout the issue has a large pixel overlay (see the two pages with the Celestials/Captain Britain/Franklin stuff for the best look). The last page does not have this same graphic effect on top of the Beyonders, so I took them to actually be there. redbackground fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Feb 13, 2015 |
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Feb 13, 2015 20:04
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Codependent Poster posted:Pym took out something from his helmet to give to Reed, and it was a picture of the Beyonders. They didn't come back. Good that's what I thought happened.
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Feb 13, 2015 20:12
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This exchange prompted me to go back and reread it, and yeah, the Beyonders are just a display. Another thing I caught that I missed the first time, the Illuminati are gathered around Tony's cell in the first few pages. Not sure how I missed that.
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Feb 14, 2015 01:49
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Codependent Poster posted:Rabum Alal and the Ivory Kings are battling each other, and both sides want the destruction of the multiverse. So last we saw, the galactic Avengers (Thor, Hyperion, Starbrand, etc.) found Dr. Strange and the Black Priests, and learned that the Black Priests have been trying to save everyone by performing triages on incursions; killing a world to save the other. Then they flipped a coin to see which group would go after Radum Alal, and which would go after the Ivory Kings. poo poo. I hadn't considered Strange and his crew would have picked Alal. I thought the matchup would make more sense with the most powerful Avengers taking on the Destroyer, since like Ex Nihlo and Abyss are like creation and poo poo, and devestate the gently caress out of reality while Strange and his crew would magic their way to zap the Beyonders.
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Feb 14, 2015 02:17
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If you're not reading Captain America and the Mighty Avengers what are you doing? They just brought back THE BEYOND CORPORATION™. It's great comics.
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Feb 18, 2015 21:48
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Avengers World began filling the time skip this week with a Sam/Smasher centric issue and it was a pretty neat book. Nothing world shattering but I think it works pretty well to not have these stories mess the pacing of the main books while still being able to tell them on the side. It makes for nice character moments. Disclaimer: I'm a bit biased as it crosses over with one of my favorite current books Cyclops Next issue is Bobby, I want to see that aggressive AIM buyout. Codependent Poster posted:Pym took out something from his helmet to give to Reed, and it was a picture of the Beyonders. They didn't come back. Again, I'm more than willing to pay to get a Deodato Remastered Edition. Next week is the last time we don't have Kev Walker on NA as he will be doing #30-33. I'm anticipating the moment the series concludes and no one has any idea what actually happened because the art obfuscates everything.
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Feb 18, 2015 21:52
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I hate that Valerio Schiti didn't stay on as the main NA artist.
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Feb 18, 2015 21:56
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What the hell is going on in the main Captain America title? I enjoyed the last volume and I enjoy Sam as Cap, but this run seems all over the place.
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Feb 18, 2015 22:08
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redbackground posted:I hate that Valerio Schiti didn't stay on as the main NA artist. Me too, I thought his take on certain characters like Namor and Maximus was perfect. That said his nonhuman characters looked odd, I don't think Thanos or Corvus Glaive looked quite right and neither does Rocket Raccoon in Schiti's Guardians of the Galaxy.
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Feb 18, 2015 22:50
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bobkatt013 posted:What the hell is going on in the main Captain America title? I enjoyed the last volume and I enjoy Sam as Cap, but this run seems all over the place. I find that Remender in full Remender mode is so dense that I have to reread at least the previous issue before the current issue makes a damned bit of sense.
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Feb 18, 2015 23:06
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PelvicNerve posted:Avengers World began filling the time skip this week with a Sam/Smasher centric issue and it was a pretty neat book. Nothing world shattering but I think it works pretty well to not have these stories mess the pacing of the main books while still being able to tell them on the side. It makes for nice character moments. Don't listen to this man the new Avengers World was hokey and terrible. Cannonball and Smasher love each other and beat up an alien to impress the Shiar. It was executed with maximum lameness.
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Feb 22, 2015 05:44
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Nevvy Z posted:Don't listen to this man the new Avengers World was hokey and terrible. Cannonball and Smasher love each other and beat up an alien to impress the Shiar. It was executed with maximum lameness. It had pirate cyclops dad being pirate cyclops dad and that's all right.
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Feb 22, 2015 05:50
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Yeah, I really liked Avengers World, though I've liked the entire series to this point too. Ditto on Pirate Cyclops being great. His solo book is super fun.
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Feb 22, 2015 06:23
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Checking release dates just blew my mind: we're getting 3 Avengers/New Avengers issues over the next 3 Wednesdays. I'm not sure about Avengers #43 but Previews has it on March 25 so that would be 4 issues in 5 weeks.
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Feb 23, 2015 18:20
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PelvicNerve posted:Checking release dates just blew my mind: we're getting 3 Avengers/New Avengers issues over the next 3 Wednesdays. I'm not sure about Avengers #43 but Previews has it on March 25 so that would be 4 issues in 5 weeks. I know. I don't use the phrase "happier then a pig in poo poo," very often....but it may just be applicable here.
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Feb 23, 2015 18:23
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So yeah Beyonders......
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Feb 25, 2015 16:00
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Good thing they didn't actually come back with Pym I guess, yow.
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Feb 25, 2015 16:08
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Crusader posted:Good thing they didn't actually come back with Pym I guess, yow. If they can just you know kill everyone below Jack Kirby easily in the Marvel Multiverses, humanity must be such a cosmically and comically insignificant speck that it makes Lovecraft cosmic view seem quaint.
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Feb 25, 2015 16:17
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Wow, the Beyonders are really strong! Repeat for 20 pages.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:18
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I'm estimating, at this point, that Rabum Alal will be as strong as roughly 10 Beyonders (A Beyonder is as strong as 3 Celestials).
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Feb 25, 2015 17:22
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gfanikf posted:So yeah Beyonders...... Finally looped back around to the dead Living Tribunal!
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Feb 25, 2015 17:32
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Well the Avengers are proper hosed. On the plus side, Doom will save us all. It was awesome to see the tribunal payoff and all the other big entities battling. It still doesn't explain WHY the Beyonders are doing this now and this is still just half of the equation because Rabum Alal needs to be revealed and explained.
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Feb 25, 2015 18:02
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I liked the dinosaurs in suits that Pym met in one of the universes.
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Feb 25, 2015 18:14
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Well the Avengers are proper hosed. Given the harmonic mapmaker trap-setting in this issue; I think Doom is on his way to the same ambush - hopefully he fares better against the Beyonders than Captain Britain or the Builders.
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Feb 25, 2015 18:26
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Starsnostars posted:I liked the dinosaurs in suits that Pym met in one of the universes. Agreed. I want to know more about this universe 
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Feb 25, 2015 18:30
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Now all we need is a reason why this is happening and how it relates to Rabum Alal and incursions. Another nice way this all ties together is that now we know why the universe is dying, and incursions are not necessarily responsible. They're just concomitant to Beyonders loving everything and everyone up. Crusader posted:Given the harmonic mapmaker trap-setting in this issue; I think Doom is on his way to the same ambush - hopefully he fares better against the Beyonders than Captain Britain or the Builders. I still expect some twist because Doom is awesome and he's with Molecule Man, who happens to be tied to both Rabum Alal and the original Beyonder (the child lol). net cafe scandal posted:Wow, the Beyonders are really strong! Repeat for 20 pages. We'll probably get a bit of Rabum Alal vs Beyonders at one point but I'm not sure "beating" either is on the table.
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Feb 25, 2015 19:01
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Agreed. I want to know more about this universe  The art got better as the issue progressed, but this guy was a bit in over his head for what had to be depicted. I think using a 2-artist jam would have been great, with one guy handling all of the grounded talking-head stuff, and then letting someone like Bianchi or Marco Rudy loose on the mulitversal super-shenanigans that Hank could barely wrap his mind around. redbackground fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Feb 25, 2015 |
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Feb 25, 2015 19:04
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If there is one thing that I think is really unfortunate about Hickman's whole run is the art. I feel like a lot great moments have been kind of knee-capped by sub-par to downright bad art.
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Feb 25, 2015 19:18
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The issue confused me. I read it, I understood the words that I read, but my brain couldn't really make sense of what I read. Could someone please explain this issue to me please :-/
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Feb 25, 2015 22:05
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The Ivory Kings/Beyonders are attacking all the major universal forces across all the multiverse all at once. Also there's a dinosaur universe.
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SalTheBard posted:The issue confused me. I read it, I understood the words that I read, but my brain couldn't really make sense of what I read. Could someone please explain this issue to me please :-/ Yellowjacket was sent out to find the source of the incursions. He jumps around the multiverse for awhile before he gets to the Builders' HQ. He snoops around there for awhile and finds that the Builders have located the Mapmakers (hyper-evolved Super Adaptoids who seem to work for the Ivory Kings). The Builders use a version of Manifold that they've created using the DNA from various multiversal versions of him to teleport there and huge battle occurs at an incursion point. The Builders use the corpse of a Mapmaker to find out where the Ivory Kings (Beyonders) are and they jump there as Manifolds have not just teleportation abilities but the innate sense of where they NEED to teleport to. Captain Britain shows up to talk about how the Captain Britain Corps was also researching what was causing the multiversal collapse. The Corps pretty much does the same thing as the Builders except instead of traveling somewhere using a Mapmaker corpse they create a beacon, which summons even more Mapmakers and Sidera Maris (the slaves of the Mapmakers). Braddock says the Corps is corpses and everything is bad. Yellowjacket expands on that by relating what the Builders found when they teleported to the Ivory Kings: A trap wherein the Beyonders are systematically luring in and murdering the Celestial Host of every universe. Reality starts to blur and bend at incursion points like this and Hank perceives the Beyonders murdering Celestials across the multiverse all at once. Hank survives the battle, though the Builders/Alephs/etc do not. He emerges just in time to glimpse the Beyonders murdering cosmic concepts like Eternity, Infinity, Chaos, Order, and the In-Betweener. Just watching it causes Hank to go a little insane but finally the Living Tribunal, who is pretty much the Hand of God/The One Above All/Jack Kirby in living form, shows up and the universe re-aligns. The Tribunal battles the Beyonders but it's also to no avail: they kill him and his corpse is perceived in every universe, dying on the moon (like how Iron Man found him much earlier in the run). Pym despairs because the Beyonders have already slain the multiverse itself. What hope do they have left?
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squidgee posted:Finally looped back around to the dead Living Tribunal! Is it wrong that when we hit that point in the book my first thought was "wow, all those people who were bitching that that plot point was dropped are gonna feel silly now, huh?"
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Is it wrong that when we hit that point in the book my first thought was "wow, all those people who were bitching that that plot point was dropped are gonna feel silly now, huh?" I was pretty sure it was going to come back, I just didn't think it'd take this long.
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Feb 25, 2015 22:50
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Man, what an awesome issue but pity about the art. All these huge, cosmic entities battling it out reduced to giants firing lasers.
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Feb 25, 2015 22:51
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Artistic rendition of an actual artistic rendition. We're all bitching about the art but when Kev Walker comes back for the last 3 issues, we will all miss this week's guy. Yeah, I swore I would stop mentioning it but it's a shame the art doesn't do the writing justice.
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Man, that was baroque as poo poo but I suppose at this point it kind of has to be.
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So have we settled on the final suspects for who Rabum Alal is? He's probably not the Beyonder, as he was mentioned as a child of the other Beyonders. No Oblivion in the cosmic battle leaves him as a prime suspect. And then there's the alternate Tony Stark theory, which is what I'm gonna go with.
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I'm going to go with Rabum Alal as more of a concept than a person.
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Little Mac posted:Plot Explanation THANK YOU. After reading NA 30 again it made much more sense.
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