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Under NCAA rules, am I allowed to give money to a close family friend of a Tennessee player? Should I be? Could I abuse this in some way?
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Feb 25, 2015 19:06
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JesustheDarkLord posted:Under NCAA rules, am I allowed to give money to a close family friend of a Tennessee player? Should I be? Could I abuse this in some way? AAU_basketball.txt
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Feb 25, 2015 19:07
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Spiritus Nox posted:Also, I like the Baylor blog's take on this: Clearly what Nacita should have done is sell enough autographs to pay rent, then he'd only lose half a game after a few months of painstaking deliberations. Nacita's not a star player getting ESPN time so they'd throw down the hammer and then bust Baylor for a major violation. If the NCAA is going to be prick about this here's hoping Baylor at least kicks in an academic scholarship.
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Feb 25, 2015 19:38
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Korranus posted:Nacita's not a star player getting ESPN time so they'd throw down the hammer and then bust Baylor for a major violation. He's already got a scholarship - it didn't cover room and board though. Doesn't sound like Nacita's living situation was widely known outside of his teammates. If the NCAA doesn't reconsider, then yeah, I really hope Baylor helps him out with room and board. It'd be the right thing to do, considering his associated with the football team made it a problem to begin with. Edit: Academic scholarship, I should clarify. Like I've said before, this ruling makes me madder more because it's extremely disingenous of the NCAA to assert that Nacita's situation is worth bringing down the banhammer considering the whole littany of offenses other players have committed with much less punishment. Edit 2: Wait. What? https://twitter.com/NCAA/status/570666155297382400 Spiritus Nox fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Feb 25, 2015 |
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Feb 25, 2015 20:06
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On the other hand, Baylor's AD has already dropped him like a hot potato.quote:"Silas Nacita will not be a part of the football program moving forward due to rules violations that impact his eligibility," Baylor athletic director Ian McCaw said in a statement released by the school. "We appreciate his contributions to Baylor football and wish him well as he completes his studies." So obviously there's some confusion and possibly some spin doctoring on the part of the NCAA. Must be the offseason. dirty shrimp money fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Feb 25, 2015 |
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Feb 25, 2015 20:39
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gently caress the NCAA?
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Feb 25, 2015 20:42
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Sash! posted:Sometimes the dog is just asking for it Seems to be the motto up there all around at Penn State.
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Feb 25, 2015 20:53
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thanks for the hot scoop
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Feb 25, 2015 20:53
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This is a pretty lovely situation if Baylor dropped a walk on because they were worried that sanctions would be dropped on them or a family friend giving him a place to stay. The kid might be mistaken thinking the ruling was from the NCAA, which even if Baylor hasn't submitted the paperwork because they don't want to get whacked with an infraction, it is still the NCAA's fault. This guy sounds like an actual student athlete. You don't just get into Cornell
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Feb 25, 2015 20:55
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Korranus posted:On the other hand, Baylor's AD has already dropped him like a hot potato. Classy move Baylor.
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Feb 25, 2015 20:59
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Korranus posted:On the other hand, Baylor's AD has already dropped him like a hot potato. Holy poo poo, go gently caress yourselves Baylor.
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Feb 25, 2015 21:11
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No it's ok guys it's just the gentle hand of bureaucracy taking its time fixing a completely inconsequential and ignorable situation.
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Feb 25, 2015 21:28
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Actually, I think I buy the NCAA's side of the story. I'm thinking someone high up at Baylor (admin, boosters, legislative team, etc) got wind of this kid's situation. Seeing as how Boise State got nailed with a major violation for something kind of similar last year, the athletic department panicked and disposed of Nacita (a walk-on and therefore disposable) to keep the NCAA from even having to pick up the phone. I hope that's not the case because if it is Baylor would deserve all the embarrassing PR and backpedaling coming to them.
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Feb 25, 2015 21:30
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Korranus posted:Actually, I think I buy the NCAA's side of the story. I'm thinking someone high up at Baylor (admin, boosters, legislative team, etc) got wind of this kid's situation. Seeing as how Boise State got nailed with a major violation for something kind of similar last year, the athletic department panicked and disposed of Nacita (a walk-on and therefore disposable) to keep the NCAA from even having to pick up the phone. What's making this confusing is that Nacita definitely referred to it as the NCAA's decision. So either the NCAA actually made the decision and is in the middle of a titanic gaffe, or Nacita misunderstood what was going on and Baylor is in the middle of a titanic gaffe - albeit one still rooted in the NCAA's rules. My head hurts.
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Feb 25, 2015 21:44
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I've heard that the doctor's offices next to the weed stores in california (where you go to get your weed card) also offer service animal outfits for your pets and/or notes saying you need to take your pet everywhere. I agree that nothing should be done about this, but lol anyway. This is how you end up on a plane where two "service dogs" are wrestling and growling and barking in the aisle.
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Feb 25, 2015 21:45
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Per NCAA: "The NCAA did not declare Silas Nacita ineligible and Baylor has not requested a waiver for him." This tells me it's what Korranus said. Baylor's decision, with their hand basically being forced by the NCAA's rule.
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Feb 25, 2015 21:48
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DJExile posted:Per NCAA: "The NCAA did not declare Silas Nacita ineligible and Baylor has not requested a waiver for him." Yeah. I'm not sure how to feel about this situation if this is in fact the case. On the one hand it sucks that Nacita can't play, moreso if the athletic department's just dropping him like a sack of potatoes. On the other hand, in the not-at-all-unlikely event that Baylor only recently caught wind of Nacita's living situation, what do they do then? If they bring it up to the NCAA it's still entirely likely that the NCAA drops Nacita like a sack of potatoes and drops off some sanctions just as a bonus. If they hide it, well, they run the risk of it coming out another way, Nacita again getting dropped like a sack of potatoes and the sanctions hurting worse. My head hurts.
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Feb 25, 2015 21:53
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DJExile posted:Per NCAA: "The NCAA did not declare Silas Nacita ineligible and Baylor has not requested a waiver for him." The plot thickens: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf...-193612512.html quote:According to David Smoak, who works for an ESPN station in Central Texas that profiled Nacita during the 2014 season, Nacita was given options to relieve his homelessness and stay within NCAA rules and might not have taken advantage of them.
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Feb 25, 2015 21:57
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School paper's tweeting that Baylor's going to release a fuller statement later today.
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Feb 25, 2015 21:59
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"It's not our fault he wouldn't take this voucher for a BAYLOR-brand tent!"
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Feb 25, 2015 22:20
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Somebody tried to steal Howard's Rock again. It looks like the new case did its job, but I wonder how close they were to being able to move the whole pedestal since it's crooked in that shot.
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Feb 25, 2015 22:26
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So what would have been the options for a homeless player? I am genuinely curious as to what options he would have had to keep himself from sleeping outside.
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Feb 25, 2015 22:41
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KKKLIP ART posted:So what would have been the options for a homeless player? I am genuinely curious as to what options he would have had to keep himself from sleeping outside. From the article I cited above: quote:It's worth noting that for Nacita to be declared ineligible by the university he would have had to have taken the apartment from a Baylor booster or someone with ties to the university not just a plain old family friend. There are also some inconsistencies in his story of how he got from Cornell to Baylor. It smells like a bagman has been involved, but I'll await further information before making that leap.
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Feb 25, 2015 22:50
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Deteriorata posted:There are also some inconsistencies in his story of how he got from Cornell to Baylor. It smells like a bagman has been involved, but I'll await further information before making that leap. A bagman for a 4th-string, walk-on RB? And if Baylor pulled some shady poo poo to get him there, why draw attention to him by dumping him like this?
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Feb 25, 2015 22:57
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Spiritus Nox posted:A bagman for a 4th-string, walk-on RB? And if Baylor pulled some shady poo poo to get him there, why draw attention to him by dumping him like this? Unless they were secretly trying to save scholarship space and it was getting out  Seriously though, I feel pretty bad for the kid and hope that things get made right for him, though I'm pretty sure he won't play at Baylor  .
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Feb 25, 2015 23:06
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There's another purported witness account of the dog incident that boils down to a few people tried to interact with the dog before the players came by and they just happened to be the last straw for the owner. Totally understandable from her perspective but they didn't have the context for the reaction they got. I don't know if that's the whole story but sounds like an apology and some volunteering with the disabled and/or veterans would be sufficient, and that seems like what will happen.
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Feb 25, 2015 23:06
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KIM JONG TRILL posted:I'm entitled to pet a dog. Dogs owe met pets.
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Feb 25, 2015 23:09
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Spiritus Nox posted:A bagman for a 4th-string, walk-on RB? And if Baylor pulled some shady poo poo to get him there, why draw attention to him by dumping him like this? Baylor's not had bagmen for football in almost 3 decades. You should give them a break for being a bit out of practice.
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Feb 25, 2015 23:11
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:Though there are crazy boosters at every level of college sports, nowhere would a walk-on be given that kind of treatment... I mean, Nacita's been a fan favorite and he's good for a walk-on, but RB's been one of Baylor's stronger positions for a while now. I'm not so naive as to rule out the possibility that Baylor's cheating, but it doesn't make any sense for them to set out to cheat to get Nacita. I'd sooner believe there was under the table poo poo over Seastrunk or Stidham. Spiritus Nox fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Feb 25, 2015 |
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Feb 25, 2015 23:14
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Spiritus Nox posted:I mean, Nacita's been a fan favorite and he's good for a walk-on, but RB's been one of Baylor's stronger positions for a while now. I'm not so naive as to rule out the possibility that Baylor's cheating, but it doesn't make any sense for them to set out to cheat to get Nacita. I'd sooner believe there was under the table poo poo over Seastrunk or Stidham. The Stidham poo poo was very much over the table.
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Feb 25, 2015 23:43
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Deteriorata posted:From the article I cited above: Yeah this doesn't answer my question other than the guy may have been tied to the athletic department (bag man). What it doesn't answer is lets say a student is homeless or whatever, what safeguards does the NCAA have in place to find them housing? Like that one guy who was literally living in his car and the college had to say don't offer him a place to stay because it could be a benefit and they had to petition the NCAA to get approval to let him live in dorms faster. So what can be done by a school who knows a player is homeless?
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Feb 26, 2015 00:03
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KKKLIP ART posted:Yeah this doesn't answer my question other than the guy may have been tied to the athletic department (bag man). What it doesn't answer is lets say a student is homeless or whatever, what safeguards does the NCAA have in place to find them housing? Like that one guy who was literally living in his car and the college had to say don't offer him a place to stay because it could be a benefit and they had to petition the NCAA to get approval to let him live in dorms faster. So what can be done by a school who knows a player is homeless? I guess you're referring to the Boise State guy that students and boosters wanted to help out and were told no. The NCAA was asked for and approved a waiver to grant him immediate assistance before he officially enrolled. "It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission" doesn't work with the NCAA. You have to have permission first.
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Feb 26, 2015 00:15
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single-mode fiber posted:Dogs owe met pets. A dog can be petted on the head or back up to 15 times, but a belly rub is an impermissible benefit as it is not available to other pets, such as cats or fish.
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Feb 26, 2015 01:34
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Deteriorata posted:I guess you're referring to the Boise State guy that students and boosters wanted to help out and were told no. The NCAA was asked for and approved a waiver to grant him immediate assistance before he officially enrolled. I think it was Boise, but it still surprises me that there isn't something more official in place. A lot of places, football is seen as a way out, some of the kids are living in really terrible situations at home. Why wouldn't they put into place some contingency about players who are hard up or have no place to live, especially over summers / breaks.
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Feb 26, 2015 01:46
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KKKLIP ART posted:I think it was Boise, but it still surprises me that there isn't something more official in place. A lot of places, football is seen as a way out, some of the kids are living in really terrible situations at home. Why wouldn't they put into place some contingency about players who are hard up or have no place to live, especially over summers / breaks. In an article about the Boise player it mentioned some fund that the NCAA had set up to help players but like most things the NCAA does it had too many rules to be of a whole lot of use. The big two were a.)you couldn't be on scholarship and b.)you had to be enrolled. Not sure why this kid from Baylor didn't go that route. Maybe he didn't know and Baylor did a bad job educating him? edit: found the article talking about what I was saying. Emphasis mine. SBNation posted:Leonard: The Student Assistance Fund is money provided to institutions by the NCAA to be used for any number of things that benefit student-athletes. And it's used often. A few examples of SAF use would be if a student-athlete needs a flight home to attend a funeral or if a student-athlete has a child and needs assistance with daycare. Link to the full article: http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/5/16/5722074/antoine-turner-boise-state-football-player-ncaa drunk leprechaun fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Feb 26, 2015 |
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Feb 26, 2015 02:06
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KKKLIP ART posted:I think it was Boise, but it still surprises me that there isn't something more official in place. A lot of places, football is seen as a way out, some of the kids are living in really terrible situations at home. Why wouldn't they put into place some contingency about players who are hard up or have no place to live, especially over summers / breaks. To make it a uniform rule equally applicable and enforceable to all situations, you have to be able to define very precisely what "hard up" means so that no one can plead misunderstanding or lack of clarity. Otherwise, it will be abused to hell and back by every team using its own definition of who's needy. Rather than open that  of enforcement nightmares, it's far simpler to ban all assistance prior to official enrollment, then grant waivers for specific situations when requested.Basically, you can't leave any regulation up to "reasonableness" or expect teams to adhere to the spirit of a rule, because they won't. History has shown often and repeatedly that every last detail has to be in black and white or somebody will figure out a way to get around it. Thus, there isn't really any way to leave it up to schools themselves to determine who's needy and who isn't, so the only real alternative is to go the waiver route. Deteriorata fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Feb 26, 2015 |
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Feb 26, 2015 02:19
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Have you seen our special teams? He's not the ST coach. We're good at blocking and returning kicks and horrible on coverage, doing that isn't exactly brain surgery.
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Feb 26, 2015 03:30
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Deteriorata posted:Rather than open that I agree with you on that. If you sign a letter of intent and it is from graduation of high school to the first day of classes, maybe the school could offer housing in the student dorms at any point? Maybe this plus a stipend/cost of living (oh no paying players!) would help out in those types of situations/
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Feb 26, 2015 03:50
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I didn't see it posted, but https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=917757818256223 
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Its just the SECNCAA trying to steal Baylors hard earned chamoionship like they did last year and will somehow in the elite eight again this year
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