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DJ Dizzy: Feb 11, 2009; Real men don't use bolters.

My crocman has 3 mines. When I deploy them, does it have to be in base contact, or how does it actually work?

# ? Feb 24, 2015 14:43

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# ? May 26, 2024 12:44

Pierzak: Oct 30, 2010

DJ Dizzy posted:

My crocman has 3 mines. When I deploy them, does it have to be in base contact

Yes.

# ? Feb 24, 2015 14:45

DJ Dizzy: Feb 11, 2009; Real men don't use bolters.

Thats less useful than i had hoped... Given that its pretty obvious that it is a mine.

# ? Feb 24, 2015 15:01

Flipswitch: Mar 30, 2010

Still got to discover it though! the hidden camo marker mine game is what the minelayer skill is partially for.

Remember you can place them along movement too, you don't have to do it at the end points.

# ? Feb 24, 2015 15:02

DJ Dizzy: Feb 11, 2009; Real men don't use bolters.

Flipswitch posted:

Still got to discover it though! the hidden camo marker mine game is what the minelayer skill is partially for.

Remember you can place them along movement too, you don't have to do it at the end points.

Oh, fair enough.

Edit: Could it be an idea to add this nifty tool to the OP? http://www.captainspud.com/n3hacking/

DJ Dizzy fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Feb 24, 2015

# ? Feb 24, 2015 15:04

Corbeau: Sep 13, 2010; Jack of All Trades

DJ Dizzy posted:

Edit: Could it be an idea to add this nifty tool to the OP? http://www.captainspud.com/n3hacking/

This thing is super useful. Huh.

We almost had a hacker vs hacker battle last night, but then my opponent realized that the AHD didn't have brain blast. So he just walked around the corner and shot me in the face instead (though to be fair, I had suppression fire up). And then he walked over for the coup de grace to tie the game on points.

We did have a REM vs REM shootout with both being supportware-upgraded though. In related news, Marksmanship is a pain to deal with when you're Haqq and bring Doctors.

Corbeau fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Feb 24, 2015

# ? Feb 24, 2015 20:18

Pierzak: Oct 30, 2010

...I just realized that repeater on an offensive remote means you can upgrade it from anywhere on the table.

# ? Feb 24, 2015 20:25

Flipswitch: Mar 30, 2010

Pierzak posted:

...I just realized that repeater on an offensive remote means you can upgrade it from anywhere on the table.

bulleteers at the club be like what up

Also played some 400pts tonight! played vs a buddies QK list because two other dudes were late and 400pts is a fun format. Got some great mileage out of that list I posted above, threw Drop Bears EVERYWHERE and my Uhlan caused some terror by ambush attacking constantly. But it was a heavy forested desert oasis style board and we added some rules to heavy forests. We also had a smattering of the Customeeple(?) to make a nice little pocket colony outpost on the one side.

Saturation Zones are really interesting for gameplay I think although we did fiddle slightly with the forest rules to see what we could do with them and it worked out really nicely.

# ? Feb 25, 2015 00:05

Corbeau: Sep 13, 2010; Jack of All Trades

Yeah, we played a few tree-ish scenery elements as low-vis + saturation zone and it was good. An interesting and worthwhile addition.

# ? Feb 25, 2015 00:20

Flipswitch: Mar 30, 2010

Yeah, we ended up playing it as two types. Low vis into for shallow forests, poor vis for dense and zero-vis through them. Worked out quite well in all honesty and let us break up the table somewhat in a visually pleasing format. For reference we also played prone in forest zone granted partial cover, or you could be b2b with one of the tree miniatures to claim cover.

Next time we might try just making zero-vis through the dense ones and seeing how it works out.

# ? Feb 25, 2015 00:26

Flipswitch: Mar 30, 2010

# ? Feb 25, 2015 19:02

Corbeau: Sep 13, 2010; Jack of All Trades

Not as impressed by either the Igao or Alguaciles as I expected to be.

# ? Feb 25, 2015 19:52

Chance II: Aug 6, 2009; Would you like a
second chance?

I don't know, they look pretty good. I, on the other hand, am disappointed with the tank hunter. Bringing in line with the spetznaz look makes it look a little too busy to me.

# ? Feb 25, 2015 20:21

Eggplant Squire: Aug 14, 2003

How does this look for a starter 200 point Hassassin Bahram list?

code:

AL-DJABEL			0	35
FIDAY				0	30
SHIHAB REMOTE	HMG		1	25
NAJJARUN 	Engineer	0	17
LASIQ		Sniper		1.5	26

Fireteam:
GHULAM		Hacker		0.5	20
GHULAM		FO		0	13
GHULAM		LT		0	12
GHULAM		Panzer		0.5	20

Not sure it has enough specialists.

Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Feb 25, 2015

# ? Feb 25, 2015 20:37

Corbeau: Sep 13, 2010; Jack of All Trades

Fair warning: entire order hacking skills, like supportware, will remove the hacker from your link. That may or may not be a problem, but it's something you should know going in. I'd also be more of a fan of spending SWC on a Govad HMG than a Lasiq sniper, and I'd rather have a Ragik than second impersonator, but your mileage may vary. Your list could certainly work.

Also, a Ghulam Panzerfaust is only 15 points, not 20. So you may have more wiggle room than you think.

e: Here's my take on a similar list:

code:

AL-DJABEL			0	35
GOVAD		HMG		1.5	29
RAGIK		Rifle		0	26
SHIHAB REMOTE	HMG		1	25
GHULAM		HMG		1	20
GHULAM		Hacker		0.5	20
GHULAM		Doctor		0	16
GHULAM		Lieutenant	0	12
NAJJARUN 	Engineer	0	17

Corbeau fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Feb 25, 2015

# ? Feb 25, 2015 20:51

Eggplant Squire: Aug 14, 2003

What loadout do you have on the Ragik? I had one to do the deep strike into enemy territory with a HMG but you can't do that anymore for several reasons.

# ? Feb 25, 2015 20:56

Corbeau: Sep 13, 2010; Jack of All Trades

My favorite is the hacker, but I take the Rifle + LSG version if I'm short on points and SWC. Airdropping shotguns on people is extremely rude.

# ? Feb 25, 2015 21:05

Eggplant Squire: Aug 14, 2003

Cool thanks! Dumb question but does having the LT as the only regular ghulam make him too easy to target?

# ? Feb 25, 2015 21:06

Flipswitch: Mar 30, 2010

Radish posted:

Cool thanks! Dumb question but does having the LT as the only regular ghulam make him too easy to target?

People can ask what load outs the Ghulams have, so he'll be obvious in the sense that he's the only normal Ghulam profile, so if your opponent knows your legal Lt models he can definitely figure out if you have a Ghulam as an Lt, it's that one.

# ? Feb 25, 2015 21:09

Corbeau: Sep 13, 2010; Jack of All Trades

Yes, the Ghulam is an obvious Lt. Which is one reason why you could consider switching to a Barid hacker Lt - it's also an obvious Lt., but the Barid would let you spend that Lt. order on stuff like supportware or assisted jump. In general, I'm much more willing to play an obvious Lt. in N3 since LoL is survivable now. Especially in lower point armies, since you still get four command tokens that can be used to turn irregular orders into regular orders. Also, fielding a Govad or two will help since they don't care if your Lt. falls.

e: The downside is that the Barid Lt. costs extra SWC, and SWC is a precious commodity.

Corbeau fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Feb 25, 2015

# ? Feb 25, 2015 21:14

DJ Dizzy: Feb 11, 2009; Real men don't use bolters.

Just play NeoTerra. Bolts dont give a crap :smug:

Oh wait, I forgot about Tamrielo and his memo again. drat you!

# ? Feb 25, 2015 21:43

Corbeau: Sep 13, 2010; Jack of All Trades

Why play NeoTerra for Bolts when you're already playing Hassassins and can run Govads?

# ? Feb 25, 2015 21:49

Signal: Dec 10, 2005

Is it acceptable to ask your opponent to declare all eligible lieutenant models?

# ? Feb 25, 2015 21:56

Flipswitch: Mar 30, 2010

Signal posted:

Is it acceptable to ask your opponent to declare all eligible lieutenant models?

Uh, I've never actually heard this asked in the years I've been playing and I don't think there's anything stopping you asking this, but if you did I'd probably just laugh at you.

Corbeau posted:

Why play NeoTerra for Bolts when you're already playing Hassassins and can run Govads?

personally i like to play bakunin for the karakuri

# ? Feb 25, 2015 21:59

Genghis Cohen: Jun 29, 2013

Chance II posted:

I don't know, they look pretty good. I, on the other hand, am disappointed with the tank hunter. Bringing in line with the spetznaz look makes it look a little too busy to me.

Honestly the tank hunter is the standout model this month IMO. The Tohaa one is interesting as well but Tohaa aren't really to my taste.

I am a Nomad/Corregidor player and will be buying the alguaciles, but I don't think they are that inspiring. Pretty good standard, but as a unit type they just aren't something that excites me. The ML and HMG poses are pretty boss though.

# ? Feb 25, 2015 22:01

Corbeau: Sep 13, 2010; Jack of All Trades

Signal posted:

Is it acceptable to ask your opponent to declare all eligible lieutenant models?

I've never heard of someone asking, but I always tend to point out all the visible Lt. options that I put down during deployment. Despite this, nobody ever goes Lt. hunting on me.

Probably because I have access to Hafza. :smug:

# ? Feb 25, 2015 22:16

Pierzak: Oct 30, 2010

Hahhaha those Alguaciles. We waited so long and got that? What the gently caress, CB?

At least now I know who's getting a surplus Yu Jing ML.

# ? Feb 25, 2015 22:24

DJ Dizzy: Feb 11, 2009; Real men don't use bolters.

Whats the issue with them?

Speaking of nomads, in the OI book they have some sample 300 pt lists, how decent is the nomad one?

Oh and 150pts of PanO ready to go!

DJ Dizzy fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Feb 26, 2015

# ? Feb 26, 2015 01:42

Signal: Dec 10, 2005

Flipswitch posted:

Uh, I've never actually heard this asked in the years I've been playing and I don't think there's anything stopping you asking this, but if you did I'd probably just laugh at you.

Well, the other alternative is basically "Okay then, I'm going to pull up your faction and compare the equipment options you have to those with possible lieutenant options." Right?

# ? Feb 26, 2015 08:39

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "At the end of the day
We are all human beings
My father once told me that
The world has no borders"

My gaming group does this. Much easier than crosschecking opponents army-section and asking one by one: "what EQ this guy has?"

Its based on open knowledge anyway.

# ? Feb 26, 2015 11:10

Pierzak: Oct 30, 2010

And that's why I want to start playing with a chess clock.

(yes, I've heard all the arguments 10x over, didn't help :v:

)

# ? Feb 26, 2015 11:13

Flipswitch: Mar 30, 2010

Signal posted:

Well, the other alternative is basically "Okay then, I'm going to pull up your faction and compare the equipment options you have to those with possible lieutenant options." Right?

Yeah basically, iirc it falls under points costs which aren't public info either. Ill get the rule checked for you.

# ? Feb 26, 2015 11:25

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "At the end of the day
We are all human beings
My father once told me that
The world has no borders"

Flipswitch posted:

Yeah basically, iirc it falls under points costs which aren't public info either. Ill get the rule checked for you.

I'm not that familiar with other armies, but All Yu Jing lieutenant options share the same weapon/skill bundle with another figure that isn't lieutenant.
Basically every experienced player (or those who checks it during the game), should know which of the non-camo figures on the table are potential ~~targ~~ lieutenants.

# ? Feb 26, 2015 11:41

Flipswitch: Mar 30, 2010

Signal posted:

Well, the other alternative is basically "Okay then, I'm going to pull up your faction and compare the equipment options you have to those with possible lieutenant options." Right?

The answer from our SuperModerator is; No, which is why SWC/Points Costs are considered private info.

You can still look it up in advance if you want, or even during a game really, but that's kind of being a dick in a casual game and in competitive you'll just clock yourself out soo.

# ? Feb 26, 2015 12:37

Pierzak: Oct 30, 2010

Flipswitch posted:

The answer from our SuperModerator is; No, which is why SWC/Points Costs are considered private info.

Got any link to that one?

# ? Feb 26, 2015 13:06

DJ Dizzy: Feb 11, 2009; Real men don't use bolters.

Flipswitch posted:

The answer from our SuperModerator is; No, which is why SWC/Points Costs are considered private info.

You can still look it up in advance if you want, or even during a game really, but that's kind of being a dick in a casual game and in competitive you'll just clock yourself out soo.

Thats wierd. Why should a new player be penalized for not knowing how much a Random Model X costs, while Spergy McSpergyson who has memorized every cost doesnt.?

I dont see the problem in using mayanet to pull up the opponents list when I ask him to go through it.

DJ Dizzy fucked around with this message at 13:24 on Feb 26, 2015

# ? Feb 26, 2015 13:22

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "At the end of the day
We are all human beings
My father once told me that
The world has no borders"

Flipswitch posted:

The answer from our SuperModerator is; No, which is why SWC/Points Costs are considered private info.

You can still look it up in advance if you want, or even during a game really, but that's kind of being a dick in a casual game and in competitive you'll just clock yourself out soo.

Where do you pull swc/point costs into it? Issue has nothing to do with that.

Quick example from army4:

JAPANESE SECTORIAL ARMY
──────────────────────────────────────────────────

GROUP 1

2

KEISOTSU Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife.
KEISOTSU Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife.
KEISOTSU Combi Rifle+ Light Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife.
KEISOTSU (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife.
YURIKO ODA Combi Rifle, Panzerfaust, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, CCW.
ARAGOTO Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife.
ARAGOTO Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife.
NINJA Combi Rifle / Pistol, Shock CCW.

I haven't marked the lieutenant in above list.
From above selection of models, first 2 keisotsus could be lieutenant, 3 & 7 have weapon, 4 has skill that lieutenant cannot have. 5 and 8 don't have ltn. option. 6 could be lieutenant.
Every player is capable of deducing this from your models.

All of the above is based on open information and IMHO is within the spirit of sharing open information with your opponent.

Of course, if your only legal option on the table is single Keisotsu with combi-rifle, it is pretty obvious to even newbies.

# ? Feb 26, 2015 13:54

Flipswitch: Mar 30, 2010

Pierzak posted:

Got any link to that one?

Only a skype chat log of me talking to him if you'd like.

DJ Dizzy posted:

Thats wierd. Why should a new player be penalized for not knowing how much a Random Model X costs, while Spergy McSpergyson who has memorized every cost doesnt.?

I dont see the problem in using mayanet to pull up the opponents list when I ask him to go through it.

Why is that penalizing anyone? Note that lists in Infinity don't show points costs/SWC unless you leave them in, they are left out of the list details normally.

adhuin posted:

Where do you pull swc/point costs into it? Issue has nothing to do with

Because some models cost SWC to be Lts. Which is why you do not include point costs/SWC in a public info Infinity list, same as possible hidden deployment/AD, you don't have to show points costs of what you have to let your opponent figure out exactly what you have hidden.

Note, there is no issue with someone looking it up, but a player does not have to provide a list of possible Lts in his list.

Flipswitch fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Feb 26, 2015

# ? Feb 26, 2015 13:55

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "At the end of the day
We are all human beings
My father once told me that
The world has no borders"

Flipswitch posted:

Because some models cost SWC to be Lts.

That's beside the point. Question is shorthand for: Which models in the table have same name, open equipments and open skills as the valid lieutenants options for your army. You don't need any private information to deduce that.

Edit: And if I remember correctly: If something isn't explicitly private information, it is open information.

# ? Feb 26, 2015 14:04

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# ? May 26, 2024 12:44

Flipswitch: Mar 30, 2010

adhuin posted:

That's beside the point. Question is shorthand for: Which models in the table have same name, open equipments and open skills as the valid lieutenants options for your army. You don't need any private information to deduce that.

Edit: And if I remember correctly: If something isn't explicitly private information, it is open information.

I don't have to answer my forces possible Lt options because the Lt is considered to be Private Information, just in the same way I don't have to list my possible camouflage models because of a marker, or my possible hidden deployment models (or type) if it looks like I have models missing on the table.

There's nothing stopping you from looking it up, but I don't have to list what the options are. That's why points costs/SWC are not open information on an army sheet.

# ? Feb 26, 2015 14:11

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