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Justin_Brett posted:Even Android 19 is stronger than Gero? Come on, dude. Android 20, despite being the latest in the line, was clearly the weakest of the bunch. The line peaked with 16, the strongest, purely artificial lifeform, then went downhill from there when he experimented with cybernetics. Cell is a weird one to classify as his original state is worse than 16, but is much greater than any previous model once merging with 17 and, especially, after merging with 18. On the second thought, the line just hit a troth from 16-20, and peaked higher than ever with Cell.
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Covok posted:I don't know. The same could be said of late DB Goku except for that last part and that last part isn't canon. I loved that, of all things, Goku is kind of bad at flying. He picks it up last amongst all the main dudes at the end of Dragonball, and relies on the Nimbus until, well until Namek. Either Freeza or Goku even comments in the Freeza fight that Goku isn't really as comfortable fighting in the air as Freeza is, and he much prefers fighting on the ground. I think aside from Freeza, when there was no ground left, for all DragonBall is iconic for sky punch fights (and beam duels), Toriyama keeps most of the fights on the ground, which is a nice contrast to, say, Bleach where Kubo leaps at any chance for combat to take place in a featureless void.
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Feb 26, 2015 20:07
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Prison Warden posted:I loved that, of all things, Goku is kind of bad at flying. He picks it up last amongst all the main dudes at the end of Dragonball, and relies on the Nimbus until, well until Namek. Either Freeza or Goku even comments in the Freeza fight that Goku isn't really as comfortable fighting in the air as Freeza is, and he much prefers fighting on the ground. DBZ filler with endless ineffectual diagonal slashes would be hilarious.
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Feb 26, 2015 20:08
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Prison Warden posted:I loved that, of all things, Goku is kind of bad at flying. He picks it up last amongst all the main dudes at the end of Dragonball, and relies on the Nimbus until, well until Namek. Either Freeza or Goku even comments in the Freeza fight that Goku isn't really as comfortable fighting in the air as Freeza is, and he much prefers fighting on the ground. Doesn't Kubo claim that the featureless void thing is a style or something? Also, I always took Goku's issue with fighting being the result of the nimbus. He had a method of flying long before people found out how to "just do it" and it stunted his growth with the new method.
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Feb 26, 2015 20:15
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When was the last time Goku even used the Nimbus? The Saiyan saga? What happened to it afterwards? Did Toriyama forget about it (probably)?
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Feb 26, 2015 20:19
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Didn't Goku learn to fly by instinct in his fight with Piccolo at the 23rd tournament? He certainly had a moment in the 22nd tournament when he was in danger of going out of bounds and managed to propel himself back in with his breath (or something like that).
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Feb 26, 2015 20:21
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Neo_Crimson posted:When was the last time Goku even used the Nimbus? The Saiyan saga? What happened to it afterwards? Did Toriyama forget about it (probably)? Pretty sure Gohan used it to get to high school. He could fly, but that'd be kind of a waste you know?
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Feb 26, 2015 20:23
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BlitzBlast posted:Pretty sure Gohan used it to get to high school. He could fly, but that'd be kind of a waste you know? Plus, I imagine it's less tiring. Kind of like using a segaway...oh God, the nimbus is the segway of the flying world. Neo_Crimson posted:When was the last time Goku even used the Nimbus? The Saiyan saga? What happened to it afterwards? Did Toriyama forget about it (probably)? It's not canon, but he used it a lot in the early films, IIRC.
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Feb 26, 2015 20:27
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I don't wanna show my powers, so I will use a magic cloud instead...
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Wheat Loaf posted:Didn't Goku learn to fly by instinct in his fight with Piccolo at the 23rd tournament? He certainly had a moment in the 22nd tournament when he was in danger of going out of bounds and managed to propel himself back in with his breath (or something like that). Yeah he did, but this was after every other one of his friends could already do it, and he saw Tienshinhan do it years ago, whereas he picked up how to do a kamehameha in like 3 seconds flat. It's probably his reliance on the Nimbus, yeah. I think the last time he uses it is flying to the fight with the Saiyans.
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Feb 26, 2015 20:32
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Gohan gave Nimbus to Goten once Gohan got his Great Saiyaman costume.
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HGH posted:Not to undermine her but... Just you wait until it grows back!
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Prison Warden posted:Yeah he did, but this was after every other one of his friends could already do it, and he saw Tienshinhan do it years ago, whereas he picked up how to do a kamehameha in like 3 seconds flat. Also I like that they justified the use of the Nimbus there with Goku saying he could fly but he'd need every available scrap of energy to fight the Saiyans.
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For some reason this reminds me of the scene from the final chapter where Trunks gets out of his car in midair because it was too slow. Trunks. 
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Something I've always wondered is if Cell would turn out slightly different by absorbing 18 before 17. Edit: Also calling it now; any damage done by Beerus or anyone else on that sort of godly level cant be undone by the dragon balls. Mr.Acula fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Feb 26, 2015 |
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Feb 26, 2015 20:42
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Wheat Loaf posted:Didn't Goku learn to fly by instinct in his fight with Piccolo at the 23rd tournament? He certainly had a moment in the 22nd tournament when he was in danger of going out of bounds and managed to propel himself back in with his breath (or something like that). He caved and decided to fly after his entire body quit on him. "Quit" meaning Piccolo crippled every appendage he had to where he was a hunk of torso. So Goku pick that poo poo up and just rammed him at full speed. That was also the fight where Goku fired a Kamehameha through his feet 
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Feb 26, 2015 22:39
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Captain Quack posted:I don't wanna show my powers, so I will use a magic cloud instead... Gohan, for all of his smarts, is still kind of a dumb hick when it comes to socializing with others. He was raised in the woods by a monkey alien and a woman who lived in the mountains before she moved to the woods. Him having no idea how strong normal people are was hysterical. Reminds me of that Superman "world of cardboard" thing.
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Feb 26, 2015 22:51
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Gohan had possibly the most hosed up childhood in existence. It's honestly remarkable he grew up so well adjusted.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Gohan, for all of his smarts, is still kind of a dumb hick when it comes to socializing with others. He was raised in the woods by a monkey alien and a woman who lived in the mountains before she moved to the woods. To Gohan, a weakling would be Yamcha who's really a superhuman in any fair assessment.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Gohan, for all of his smarts, is still kind of a dumb hick when it comes to socializing with others. He was raised in the woods by a monkey alien and a woman who lived in the mountains before she moved to the woods. His closest friend was a 30 something year old bald midget who is one of the 10 strongest people on the planet. All of his friends are superhumans, plus Bulma I guess. Even Chichi is pretty dang strong compared to normal people.
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Rhonne posted:Saiyans are just naturally bullet proof. This was confirmed during the training arc after Goku retrieves Launch with Krillin, both Krillin, Goku and Roshi gets leaded, but while Roshi and Krillin get a bunch of bullet holes in them, they just bounce off Goku. So that was never a trait relevant to his physical strength, just innate toughness of Saiyans.
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ChronoReverse posted:To Gohan, a weakling would be Yamcha who's really a superhuman in any fair assessment. Yeah, even the lowliest chump in Freeza's army that can barely fly on his own would be considered freakishly strong compared to any normal earthling. As has been mentioned multiple times, Mr. Satan is incredibly strong and skilled by real world standards and only looks like a chump because the series compares him to a cast of characters that hopelessly outclass him. Had he shown up in Dragonball, he probably would have handily beaten everyone short of Goku and Jackie Chun in the series' first Budokai, possibly beating Krillin. Beyond that the series starts escalating to the point that he could never hope to compete without picking up ki manipulation.
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Zonekeeper posted:Yeah, even the lowliest chump in Freeza's army that can barely fly on his own would be considered freakishly strong compared to any normal earthling. And going by Xenoverse he's certainly capable of doing Ki manipulation if he ever bothered to learn it
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BlitzBlast posted:Gohan had possibly the most hosed up childhood in existence. It's honestly remarkable he grew up so well adjusted. That's kind of why I like dorky young adult Gohan, because FINALLY he got to chill out for a good portion of his life without someone throwing him head-first into a mountain or something.
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ChronoReverse posted:To Gohan, a weakling would be Yamcha who's really a superhuman in any fair assessment.
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Zonekeeper posted:Had he shown up in Dragonball, he probably would have handily beaten everyone short of Goku and Jackie Chun in the series' first Budokai, possibly beating Krillin. Beyond that the series starts escalating to the point that he could never hope to compete without picking up ki manipulation. Not even Krillin, considering he could keep up with Roshi/Chun's super speed even in the 1st tournament arc.
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Zonekeeper posted:Yeah, even the lowliest chump in Freeza's army that can barely fly on his own would be considered freakishly strong compared to any normal earthling. Keep in mind the turning point for him was being beaten by Tao Pai Pai. Which lead to him pushing hard that Ki and such is trickery and not legitimate. So he was in the upper Echelons of the time.
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Zonekeeper posted:Had he shown up in Dragonball, he probably would have handily beaten everyone short of Goku and Jackie Chun in the series' first Budokai, possibly beating Krillin. Beyond that the series starts escalating to the point that he could never hope to compete without picking up ki manipulation. I don't see him beating Pamput, King Chappa or Tao Paipai (but he was technically a weaker Tenshinhan with a badass mode of transport).
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Rudoku posted:I don't see him beating Pamput, King Chappa or Tao Paipai (but he was technically a weaker Tenshinhan with a badass mode of transport). I'm talking about the 21st one, with Nam, Bacterian, etc. Once Crane school students and Piccolo get involved in the 22nd and 23rd we're way past Mr. Satan being viable.
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Parrotine posted:"Quit" meaning Piccolo crippled every appendage he had to where he was a hunk of torso. ALL OF THEM?!
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Feb 27, 2015 01:03
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Most recent multiverse page is pretty baller. I actually am kinda wondering if Goku is gonna pull this off or get iced.
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Feb 27, 2015 01:43
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They've set up a joke where Goku and Freeza enter the ring, stand there for a second, and Freeza drops dead. No one will ever know about Goku's epic struggle against the frozen void of time itself.
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Testekill posted:Most recent multiverse page is pretty baller. I actually am kinda wondering if Goku is gonna pull this off or get iced. They've done a great job of actually making Freeza appear to be a threat, but come on man. This is Goku we're talking about here.
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Feb 27, 2015 02:36
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Plus, it would be kind of lame if Goku only lost because Freiza just woke up stronger magically that day because of Santa Buu shenanigans.
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I like how his facial hair implies that Goku can never grow a beard. (I think the only Saiyan we've seen with more that a 'stache is King Vegeta, right?)
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I remembered Paragus as having a goatee, but nope, just a mustache.
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 quote:On Wednesday, begins a special chapter about Buu from universe 4! Huh, well the teaser art looks alright, should be interesting to see how Buu ended up eating everyone.
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Yo, by the way, Xenoverse is great.
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Terper posted:Yo, by the way, Xenoverse is great. I bought it last night but haven't had the chance to play it yet. Can't wait to do punchmans with some goons on the steam group!
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FeedingHam2Cats posted:Behold my stand: SLOW RIDE
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