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I think the Raven redesign could work if it was just tweaked a bit. I like the feather mask, it makes her come off as a bit alien. I think really it's on the cusp of being a very cool modernized take on the supernatural action hero look, but there's just a little bit of things here and there that drag it down. Maybe the feather mask is just enough and the rest of the outfit needs to go back to being more like her traditional gear.
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The colour scheme makes me think she's the new Dove or something.
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Every Red Robin costume has been awful.
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Feb 26, 2015 05:24
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Travis343 posted:Every Red Robin costume has been awful. Except the first one, but only because it was an homage to the Michael Keaton Batman.
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Lurdiak posted:Eh. I really can't get into this new look. My favorite Raven costume was the simple elegance of the torn jean shorts and Nirvana t-shirt. ft. Robin Van Dam and Bam Bam Bigelow, the Beast Boy from the East?
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Feb 26, 2015 05:28
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McSpanky posted:Except the first one, but only because it was an homage to the Michael Keaton Batman. I was just thinking about this earlier, and I can't remember if that was Dick or Tim. Where was Dick in KC if that wasn't him?
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Feb 26, 2015 05:32
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Travis343 posted:Every Red Robin costume has been awful. Yeah, DC really has no idea what to do with Tim Drake. They really should have just eliminated him and Jason from the Robin history when they reduced it down to 5 years, but they couldn't do it without messing with Morrison's run. He's stuck in this limbo where they won't have him grow up because he'll be too old for the Teen Titans, but they also won't keep him as Robin so he's stuck as this pointless pseudo-Robin identity. I haven't been reading Future's End or Eternal at all, aren't there rumors that it's going to lead Tim taking over as Batman Beyond?
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LvK posted:ft. Robin Van Dam and Bam Bam Bigelow, the Beast Boy from the East? Don't forget Donnie Troy as Big Troia Cool.
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Dacap posted:Yeah, DC really has no idea what to do with Tim Drake. They really should have just eliminated him and Jason from the Robin history when they reduced it down to 5 years, but they couldn't do it without messing with Morrison's run. I would have loved a return to Dick as Robin, especially since they went back to Barbara as Batgirl, but they wanted Batman Inc to still be canon, I think. Tim was Red Robin way before the New 52 hit though. Blame it all on Damian (even though I really like Damian and his Robin costume is my favorite).
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Dick was always more interesting to me as Nightwing than as Robin and I think returning him to Robin would've been too much regression for the character. Tim was always my favourite Robin so it's kind of disappointing that he's been pushed out. I like Damian, but really prefer the Dick/Damian team than the Bruce/Damian team. It was fun to see a Batman & Robin where the light and dark personalities were switched. It had a better balance than when he's paired with Bruce and I liked how he grew to respect Dick. I almost wish they would've kept Damian paired with Dick even after Bruce returned and had him as a sidekick for Nightwing instead.
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Feb 26, 2015 05:50
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Dacap posted:He's stuck in this limbo where they won't have him grow up because he'll be too old for the Teen Titans, but they also won't keep him as Robin so he's stuck as this pointless pseudo-Robin identity. gently caress it, just make him the new Oracle now that Barbara's up and walking. He's always been "the nerdy Robin", more or less.
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Feb 26, 2015 11:02
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404GoonNotFound posted:gently caress it, just make him the new Oracle now that Barbara's up and walking. He's always been "the nerdy Robin", more or less. He should get a wheelchair as part of the title, and be forced to use it despite being able-bodied. (I really didn't like how Oracle was handled) Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Feb 26, 2015 |
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Feb 26, 2015 19:52
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Discendo Vox posted:He should get a wheelchair as part of the title, and be forced to use it despite being able-bodied. (I really didn't like how Oracle was handled) Yeah, how dare disabled people want more representation as heroes, they've got Professor X and
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Feb 26, 2015 22:37
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Gaz-L posted:Yeah, how dare disabled people want more representation as heroes, they've got Professor X and Dead for years and walking previous to that.
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Feb 26, 2015 22:57
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Daredevil and Agent Venom without having to think too hard on it.
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Feb 26, 2015 23:01
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I don't think Venom counts since he has magic legs 99% of the time.
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Soonmot posted:Dead for years and walking previous to that. Eh. *checks watch* So like a month before he's alive and paralysed again, then? Ghostlight posted:Daredevil and Agent Venom without having to think too hard on it. DD is a fair point, but I was mostly meaning people with mobility related disabilities.
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Feb 26, 2015 23:07
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Forge, No-Girl, Echo, off the top of my head.
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Feb 26, 2015 23:07
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Is robot arm a real disability?
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Feb 26, 2015 23:10
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It's a leg too and he lost it in 'nam man.
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Feb 26, 2015 23:13
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Lurdiak posted:I don't think Venom counts since he has magic legs 99% of the time. And now 100% of the time in GotG. And if we're counting robot limbs we'd have to include 75% of the 90s (and Misty Knight).
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Lurdiak posted:I don't think Venom counts since he has magic legs 99% of the time. But seriously, have you seen what prosthetics can be like these days? Do you stop being considered disabled when your pretend-legs are better than actual legs, or is it more about the emotional journey losing a functioning piece of your body and learning to live in new ways causes rather than just the static state of not being fully functional?
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Ghostlight posted:Daredevil and Agent Venom without having to think too hard on it. Also Hawkeye being deaf
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Ghostlight posted:Do you stop being considered disabled when your pretend-legs are better than actual legs, Yes.
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Lurdiak posted:Yes. Better tell all those amputee sprinters that they should be running against the dudes with legs in the regular Olympics then!
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Feb 27, 2015 00:18
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Gaz-L posted:Yeah, how dare disabled people want more representation as heroes, they've got Professor X and That was my point.
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Gaz-L posted:Better tell all those amputee sprinters that they should be running against the dudes with legs in the regular Olympics then! I guess Raiden from Metal Gear is a representation of people with full body paralysis. Stephen Hawking must really be able to relate.
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Feb 27, 2015 00:21
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Dacap posted:Also Hawkeye being deaf Nope, Franklin Richards'd.
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404GoonNotFound posted:Nope, Franklin Richards'd. He's deaf again.
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Senor Candle posted:He's deaf again. Give it a couple weeks.
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Ghostlight posted:But seriously, have you seen what prosthetics can be like these days? Do you stop being considered disabled when your pretend-legs are better than actual legs, or is it more about the emotional journey losing a functioning piece of your body and learning to live in new ways causes rather than just the static state of not being fully functional? I equally think that acknowledging that some things are still permanent, but don't make people less able to contribute, and showing that part of society that the stories we tell can include them is also very important, and DC made an atrocious, tone-deaf decision to do long-term damage to that effort when they did the New 52 and got rid of Oracle.
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Dacap posted:Dick was always more interesting to me as Nightwing than as Robin and I think returning him to Robin would've been too much regression for the character. Tim was always my favourite Robin so it's kind of disappointing that he's been pushed out. Agree, but the New 52 is basically nothing but regression and throwing out decades of positive character development in favor of what comics were like in the 60s, so I kind of wish they'd had the stones to full reset everything and let it develop in new and unusual ways. This is the costume thread, right? I sure miss Superman's red trunks, I tell you what.
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Travis343 posted:Agree, but the New 52 is basically nothing but regression and throwing out decades of positive character development in favor of what comics were like in the 60s, so I kind of wish they'd had the stones to full reset everything and let it develop in new and unusual ways. I kinda like his goofy little hand-guard things that JRJr seems determined to draw everyone with.
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Gaz-L posted:This is a good point, and deserves more than an ignorant 'no' as a response. Oh, my reply wasn't ignorant. It was dismissive. There's a distinction. Pretty important one, too.
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Feb 27, 2015 00:32
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Gaz-L posted:I kinda like his goofy little hand-guard things that JRJr seems determined to draw everyone with. If his Mom didn't make them I'm not interested.
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edit: nevermind this was a bad joke.
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zoux posted:No-Girl Having your entire body amputated is a pretty major disability. 
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Yeah but she has antigravity floats so according to Lurdiak she's no longer handicapped. Stephen Hawking only wishes he could float.
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Is the spiked collar for utility or is she just one of the kids at the school going through a goth phase?
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Lurdiak posted:Oh, my reply wasn't ignorant. It was dismissive. There's a distinction. Pretty important one, too. Yeah comparing modern day prosthetics to comic book magic/tech isn't going to work and is just plain dumb. When modern science finally invents magic then we can talk.
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