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net cafe scandal posted:Wow, the Beyonders are really strong! Repeat for 20 pages.
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Feb 26, 2015 02:39
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The Goon posted:I'm worried that the stakes are being raised too high and that there's no conceivable way for the Avengers to actually prevail here, but if anyone can pull it off its Hickman. We already know the Avengers can't win. It's how to not lose. The Living Tribunal has a piece of every reality on a rock, so we can at least see how the multiverse will come back when Secret Wars is over.
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Feb 26, 2015 02:41
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Senor Candle posted:I'm going to go with Rabum Alal as more of a concept than a person. That's what I always took it as. Does it ever state that it's a being?
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Feb 26, 2015 02:50
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Synesthesian Fetish posted:That's what I always took it as. Does it ever state that it's a being? I'm re-reading the whole thing, and Black Swan talks about it like it's a person when she first shows up.
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Feb 26, 2015 02:52
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This is also the cover to the upcoming New Avengers when we learn who Rabum Alal is.  And my thinking that it's Tony is because Black Swan seems to have an attraction and reverence for him, and the fact that from the very start of this, Tony is said to represent death.
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Feb 26, 2015 02:56
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Rabum Alal is going to end up the "good" guy part of the equation.
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Feb 26, 2015 03:11
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A quote from Hickman about Avengers. "...because Avengers is not really a happy story. The Avengers books, we kind of billed it as a mystery—what’s behind all of this stuff, what’s causing all of the incursions? Which is a total lie, because it’s not a mystery, it’s a horror story. And we just didn’t tell anybody, so everybody is waiting for this kind of, “Ta da, whodunit” kind of stuff at the end and that’s not what the story is." I don't think there is going to be a "good" guy at the end of this
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Feb 26, 2015 03:44
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Tony has been absent for all but one issue (and a small cameo appearance in another) in Time Runs Out then he escapes his prison minutes before the Illuminati and SHIELD Avengers arrive. Yeah, I'm going with the Great Destroyer being Tony Stark or a future Tony.
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Feb 26, 2015 04:32
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notthegoatseguy posted:Tony has been absent for all but one issue (and a small cameo appearance in another) in Time Runs Out then he escapes his prison minutes before the Illuminati and SHIELD Avengers arrive. Yeah, I'm going with the Great Destroyer being Tony Stark or a future Tony. I'm going with Tony using Sol's Hammer to destroy that massive alien fleet headed to destroy Earth.
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Feb 26, 2015 04:40
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Genetic Toaster posted:I'm going with Tony using Sol's Hammer to destroy that massive alien fleet headed to destroy Earth. If there isn't a giant Macross powered by his Dyson Sphere he was constructing I will be massively disappointed. I guess this means that the Cancerverse was also somehow permanently destroyed.
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Feb 26, 2015 05:37
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Does anyone have that google document, I think it was, of the Hickman Avengers reading order? I think it was posted in a BSS thread but I don't remember which one.
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Feb 26, 2015 06:18
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Jiro posted:If there isn't a giant Macross powered by his Dyson Sphere he was constructing I will be massively disappointed. I guess this means that the Cancerverse was also somehow permanently destroyed. He also has the Builder planetkiller, the rogue planet, and all those weapons he designed in his back pocket. He's Chekhov's Iron Man.
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Feb 26, 2015 07:14
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Oh Remender you silly goose; making PIetro and Wanda not the children of Magneto then revealing they have a sister. Don't you know nobody cares. That was easily one of the worst last page reveals I think I've ever seen. Wasn't all bad though. He writes a good High Evolutionary. PaybackJack fucked around with this message at 08:33 on Feb 26, 2015 |
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Feb 26, 2015 08:30
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TNG posted:He also has the Builder planetkiller, the rogue planet, and all those weapons he designed in his back pocket. He's Chekhov's Iron Man. Rogue planet that was phased out was already tried a few issues back that method ended up not working unfortunately. Was The Grandmaster one of the cosmic beings killed by the Beyonders? I could see the reveal of him being Rabum and then just it being all one massive game of who's the bigger rear end in a top hat Tony, Reed, or Steve.
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Feb 26, 2015 09:10
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Jiro posted:Rogue planet that was phased out was already tried a few issues back that method ended up not working unfortunately. Was The Grandmaster one of the cosmic beings killed by the Beyonders? I could see the reveal of him being Rabum and then just it being all one massive game of who's the bigger rear end in a top hat Tony, Reed, or Steve. I'm not talking about stopping the incursions, but rather blowing up Gladiator and pals. Are you sure? I re-read New Avengers #29 and all Reed mentions was the Cosmic Cube, Celestials, some sort of multiversial outreach, and using Franklin as the failures. I don't remember the rogue planet being mentioned other than that time Bruce Banner figured out that the Illuminati were back together, its introduction arc, and Captain America's Excellent Adventure. I could very well be wrong since all of this is complicated as all get out, but I think the rogue planet is still in play in some respect. Although Franklin's talk can be interpreted in many ways, since in Steve's Bogus Journey it was, indeed, a failure for stopping the bleeding but I think it might have another purpose. TNG fucked around with this message at 09:48 on Feb 26, 2015 |
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Feb 26, 2015 09:44
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So not content with turning Tony into the biggest rear end in a top hat on the planet, they're going to make him the biggest rear end in a top hat of the entire Multiverse? No wonder he's an alcoholic.
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Feb 26, 2015 10:58
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Codependent Poster posted:This is also the cover to the upcoming New Avengers when we learn who Rabum Alal is. While Black Swan kept visiting our Tony while he was the Cabal's prisoner she had no problem snapping an alternate Tony's neck which we saw through the bridge so I don't know what level of attraction exists there. That said I do also think Rabum Alal is Tony, Rabum Alal is said to be at war with the Ivory Kings and I wonder if the destruction of the Earth which started the chain reaction of incursions was his attempt or a by product of his attempt to defeat them.
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Feb 26, 2015 12:54
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Senor Candle posted:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kXN9H4EYsw8c_QeDdSdemJioWeAqXAnznwTtPGUoBmE/edit#gid=0
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Feb 26, 2015 14:36
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PaybackJack posted:Wasn't all bad though. He writes a good High Evolutionary. I disagree. I don't know why he decided to take someone who has shown benevolent traits in the past and made him a genocidal maniac that might as well be a stereotypical evil villain. It's loving terrible to do to a character as well-defined as the High Evolutionary. It's garbage.
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Feb 26, 2015 14:40
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Codependent Poster posted:I disagree. I don't know why he decided to take someone who has shown benevolent traits in the past and made him a genocidal maniac that might as well be a stereotypical evil villain. It's loving terrible to do to a character as well-defined as the High Evolutionary. It's garbage. Well, that's true. High Evolutionary shouldn't go the genocidal route on his own creations, but I felt like the dialogue/voice was spot on.
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PaybackJack posted:Oh Remender you silly goose; making PIetro and Wanda not the children of Magneto then revealing they have a sister. Don't you know nobody cares. That was easily one of the worst last page reveals I think I've ever seen. I thought she was supposed to be related to HE and to the Low Evolutionary .
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The idea of it being Tony is so beyond what I was thinking, I'm feeling kind of dumb. I just figured it was crazy alien or Lovecraft type thing. That said I'd like to offer that it being an alt Doom would be possible....but is 616 Doom the only one left not lobtomized after the Council of Reed's, or is the idea that other uncontacted Reed's and other Doom's are out there a valid one? I only offer Doom because Hickman sort of kicked this whole plot thread off with his F4/FF run and the idea that nothing in the universe is more dangerous than Doom comes out of it. Imagine a Doom just focused on death and destruction to conquer everything by killing it....also he has a Cloak. lol Also what ish was Tony finding the dead Living Tribunal in? So if the destruction of the Multiverses is just the Beyonders and Dude destroying stuff what caused the incursions in the first place? Also what faction is Dr. Strange controlling again?
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Feb 26, 2015 16:18
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Thank you. Give me a kiss.
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Feb 26, 2015 16:19
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It's adult Val. Or it's the Hood
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It's the remnents of Franklin's end-of-time pocket universe, or maybe the closet universe, which expanded until it became the Icon imprint. It then grew lonely because the only friends it had were a few crime comics and went looking for new friends, but when it finds a new universe everything in it dies.
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Swan (as much as she is reliable) said the incursions began with the *birth* of Rabum Alal. So I don't know that it will be a character we know or at least not a familiar version of the character. Unless it's some kind of metaphysical rebirth hippy bullshit.
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jsoh posted:It's adult Val. "Here, I can build."  Man this would be tragic.
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head58 posted:Swan (as much as she is reliable) said the incursions began with the *birth* of Rabum Alal. So I don't know that it will be a character we know or at least not a familiar version of the character. Unless it's some kind of metaphysical rebirth hippy bullshit. And the Beyonders refer to our Beyonder as a child unit, so maybe his birth was the genesis? So many possible Rabum Alals suspects out there.
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jsoh posted:It's adult Val. Or it's the Hood People think that the Black Swans are all alternate Valerias and, well, that's not a bad theory.
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PaybackJack posted:Oh Remender you silly goose; making PIetro and Wanda not the children of Magneto then revealing they have a sister. Don't you know nobody cares. That was easily one of the worst last page reveals I think I've ever seen. It's also Angela or comedy option Crystal. bobkatt013 fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Feb 26, 2015 |
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Feb 26, 2015 19:24
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Rabum Alal will finally revealed to be Hawk, after everyone figured out ahead of time that it was supposed to be Captain Atom.
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gfanikf posted:The idea of it being Tony is so beyond what I was thinking, I'm feeling kind of dumb. I just figured it was crazy alien or Lovecraft type thing. Ultimate Doom is Sorcerer Supreme.
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What do we know Tony Stark does with the genetic material of gods?
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What if Rabum Alal is Grills from Hawkeye? Maybe being killed by the Tracksuits is what set this all in motion 
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Feb 26, 2015 23:11
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Rabum Alal is Agent Ward's dog. (I'm so sorry)
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SalTheBard posted:What if Rabum Alal is Grills from Hawkeye? Maybe being killed by the Tracksuits is what set this all in motion ...I would root for Rabum Alal to win and the universe to be destroyed.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:...I would root for Rabum Alal to win and the universe to be destroyed. He is doing all this to find a universe where his mother is still alive and/or Sandy did not destroy all her pictures
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Codependent Poster posted:This is also the cover to the upcoming New Avengers when we learn who Rabum Alal is. There's a few other quotes too that lead me to think it's Tony as well. Black Swan mentions something about "The Wheel" requiring offerings (The Avengers 'Machine'? Dyson Sphere/Sol's Hammer?) is the one that jumps out at me off the top of my head. Being served by women seems like a Tony thing (although that could be a Namor thing too given the look of some of them) I'm re-reading the old issues now but I know there are a few more that I can't remember off the top of my head.
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