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Chris! posted:They're changing the recommended route up Everest to avoid the left side of the Khumbu icefall, which is relatively easy to climb but where the majority of avalanches happen, to be replaced by a more central route up the icefall, which will probably kill people in different ways. I think a more technical but safer route is a good thing, though maybe less people will summit / more people will die of exhaustion. It seems absurd that they had been using what is often described as a horrifying deathtrap for the sake of "inexperienced climbers" when I remember in Into Thin Air that he found the icefall to be the most terrifying part of the ascent. But I guess when every investment banker wants to be short-roped up the "easier" trail...
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Everest: you will kill yourself on this mountain. K-2: this mountain will kill you.
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gently caress climbing everest be like Didier Delsalle, the frenchman who landed on the summit in helicopter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=results I want his memoirs to be called "Nothing to Prove: Yeah I Could Have Done It But Who Gives a gently caress"
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Cojawfee posted:There's no way that was anything other than a suicide. Experienced, but overconfident, outdoors types get killed by unexpected awful weather with considerable frequency.
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Dely Apple posted:It seems absurd that they had been using what is often described as a horrifying deathtrap for the sake of "inexperienced climbers" when I remember in Into Thin Air that he found the icefall to be the most terrifying part of the ascent. It's also important to note that a good number of people died in the Icefall portion of the climb without even making it the next base camp.
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HBO's Real Sports is doing an episode on last year's climbing season. Airs Tuesday. Synopsis:quote:Death on Everest
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I Greyhound posted:HBO's Real Sports is doing an episode on last year's climbing season. Airs Tuesday. Synopsis: I wonder if other episodes of Real Sports will feel a bit sheepish after a serious story about climber's servants dying on a mountain. I hope the next one is about League of Legends.
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REAL SPORTS lmao
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Just finished watching The Summit on the 2008 K2 disaster. Highly recommended if you want to watch what happens to  Summit fever, "Yes let's keep going up we'll reach the summit at sunset and get a nice picture of K2's shadow into China! Surely we can descend after dark it's perfect weather!" And if you stop to help someone you are just going to add to the tally.
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That said that Sherpa's interview on there is awesome and really demonstrates the view of a lot of climbing Sherpas in my understanding. "Westerners are crazy, we just love to climb, who cares about summiting?"
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Sydnesider posted:Just finished watching The Summit on the 2008 K2 disaster. Highly recommended if you want to watch what happens to Sweet, it's on Netflix. Between this and Touching the Void I guess will make this Everest Death Movie day. Alan Smithee posted:Esports is real sports RealSportsTM 
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Sydnesider posted:Just finished watching The Summit on the 2008 K2 disaster. Highly recommended if you want to watch what happens to The Summit is a pro film. No one told me before watching, but they used actual mountain climbing footage mixed with recovered footage from the disaster to seamlessly tell the story, which was a pleasant surprise. It's a lot more "show and tell" with the coverage, looking like a proper motion picture focused on the climb and struggles of each survivor, instead of just hearing six people talking over shaky 'HI FROM BASECAMP' footage, with maybe two minutes of actual climbing footage. Unrelated but someone posted this in a different thread. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Wilson Wasabi the J fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Feb 26, 2015 |
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Feb 26, 2015 19:50
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One of the big benefits of gopros is that while 99% of gopro footage will become either forgotten home videos of climbs or a few minutes of YouTube clickbait, there's the off chance that some terrible disaster will befall people nearby or even the cameraman and it might get watched by millions and even be somewhat useful.
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i plan on live streaming my mountain biking so friends can watch me die in real time. climbers should do the same
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Paramemetic posted:That said that Sherpa's interview on there is awesome and really demonstrates the view of a lot of climbing Sherpas in my understanding. "Westerners are crazy, we just love to climb, who cares about summiting?" wow surprise surprise summiting Everest is all about mid life crisis bragging rights and not a genuine interest in mountaineering!
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it's fine and ok for people to be interested in summiting vs. just climbing it's also fine for sherpas to have a different view
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GENDERWEIRD GREEDO posted:it's fine and ok for people to be interested in summiting vs. just climbing The ones who just want to summit deserve death.
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Also that movie is about K2 which is more about mountaineering or transforming midlife crises into end-of-life crises.
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My only regret is that Everest expeditions aren't just a little bit cheaper so the up-and-coming douchebags don't have to wait to kill themselves (before waiting on the Hillary Step).
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Oh gosh, Everest thread, I missed you. I really did! 
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Angry Birds Suicide posted:Everest: you will kill yourself on this mountain. K-2: this mountain will kill you. I can get on board with the old-school "mountains are gods", cause K2 clearly requires blood sacrifice.
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:I can get on board with the old-school "mountains are gods", cause K2 clearly requires blood sacrifice. One day one of these mountain gods is going to desire more souls than can fit on the slopes and it's going to come to a city and start killing off middle-management coffee-book-photo-album charity fundraising types who do things solely to raise awareness of the fact they're raising awareness who end up paying squillions to try and climb these peaks. We have to keep sending as many morons as possible to appease them. The poo poo thing is that K2 kills off actual mountaineers too but apparently there's so shortage of rear end in a top hat mountaineers either.
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Sorry, I just read through this thread and this is prob something that's been answered before but: If you're using oxygen near the top of everest, isn't that going to undo the lack of oxygen? Aside from the hike, shouldn't you be able to move at a proper speed? Or is the oxygen coming from the tank only a supplement of breathable air, like 25% of the oxygen you need?
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Feb 27, 2015 20:39
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Any people with terminal diseases try to climb Mt Everest?
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Supplemental. It's not enough to bring you to a normal-ish levels. It's just there to keep you alive a little bit longer. The amount of oxygen fed can be controlled by the valve connecting to the respirator. CRUSTY MINGE fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Feb 27, 2015 |
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Kurtofan posted:Any people with terminal diseases try to climb Mt Everest? Besides fatal idiocy? But seriously, pretty sure I remember hearing about some cancer survivors climbing Everest... e: Sean Swarmer did it recently...
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LITERALLY SHAKING posted:Supplemental. From what I know about the gear, too, if you set your flow too high, you'll feel pretty good, but have to use more tanks, which are heavy as gently caress, so it's a zero-sum game between hypoxia and exhaustion.
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I know a blind guy did it, and a woman with a heart transplant, which sounds even crazier to me. edit: nm it was the matterhorn
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Here is a good BBC documentary about the North Face of the Eiger if you are able to use player: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00tlwj3/the-eiger-wall-of-death
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Yeah, the O2 respirators are usually tuned to a flow of 2-3 liters per minute during heavy exertion, 1/2-1 during rest, but you ideally want to keep it as low as possible at all times. The supplemental O2 brings your O2 saturation up, but isn't gonna bring it to 99-100% where you want it to be. I'm not sure what the curve is on O2 desat in lower atmos, that would be interesting research to see. But yes, those bottles are fuckin' heavy, which is why unfortunately they get left all over the place up there. Most are about half the size of normal medical O2 cylinders, and will run for about 6.5 hours at a 2LPM flow rate. One company does basically medical D cylinders that weigh 16 lbs for 1800 liters of O2, approx. 10 hours of O2, but you'd be more or less limited to one of those bottles. Basically it's a balancing act and one way to gently caress it up severely is to suck down O2 trying to maintain a feeling like you're fully oxygenated.
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Why is this thread not as active as the past two ? I realize the first one I saw was filled with me watching the recommended shows and reading links,etc. This one just feels slow or is it just me ? Do I have some morbid fascination with reading about rich yuppies dying trying to be the first to bring awareness to their cause ?
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Bro Nerd Alpha posted:Why is this thread not as active as the past two ? I realize the first one I saw was filled with me watching the recommended shows and reading links,etc. It's still a month or two away before expeditions start crowing about their migration.
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Gotcha. I follow this with the most casual of enthusiasm, I couldn't tell you when the season starts but know enough about the death zone.
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Bro Nerd Alpha posted:Gotcha. I follow this with the most casual of enthusiasm, I couldn't tell you when the season starts but know enough about the death zone. I think most regular expeditions try to summit before the end of May and the Monsoon, and spend maybe 10-12 weeks on the mountain. So it's about time for teams to start arriving There's some big furore going on with permits for the Nepal side at the moment, since last years season basically didn't happen due to the disaster that killed the big group of Sherpas. The climbers still don't know if they'll be allowed to use the old permits and the government is dragging it's feet, so a lot of expeditions are in limbo http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-31587654
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Fatkraken posted:I think most regular expeditions try to summit before the end of May and the Monsoon, and spend maybe 10-12 weeks on the mountain. So it's about time for teams to start arriving Thanks for that. I hope the season kicks off without a hitch, perhaps some vegan restaurant take out app creator can die early in the ice flow to appease the Mt.Gods. Any notably under qualified people making noise about attempting this year ?
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News is saying 2 of the taliban dudes who killed all those climbers at Nanga Parbat in 2013 just escaped from jail. How long does it take to get from Pakistan to Nepal?
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cool, thanks for the answers. I assumed the O2 supply was supplemental; I know from the very limited diving experience that I've done that I burned through an O2 tank so fast (mostly from nervous breathing), and by controlling your breathing you can get a lot more out of it, which seems like a requirement when carrying tanks up mountains
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ROCKET SCIENCE