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kissekatt
Apr 20, 2005

I have tasted the fruit.

Ainsley McTree posted:

I don't care about story in DW at this point, but I do kind of enjoy some of the structured missions and setpieces; does Empires do a good job of keeping battles more interesting than "this is your base and this is their base, go get their base"?
If it is like DW7:E then it is just "go get their base" - the exception being that the historical scenarios had one(?) set piece battle with large consequences for the factions, e.g. the Battle of Hu Lao Gate, but other than that particular battle it was just generic Chinese genocide.

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Speedball
Apr 15, 2008

drat, gauntlet mode in Orochi 3 Ultimate is chewing me UP. I guess I need much more powerful soldiers and weapons to make a dent in it.

5-Headed Snake God
Jun 12, 2008

Do you see how he's a cat?


Speedball posted:

drat, gauntlet mode in Orochi 3 Ultimate is chewing me UP. I guess I need much more powerful soldiers and weapons to make a dent in it.

Yeah, Gauntlet Mode is definitely designed to be "post-game" content. Although a character with a SW-style Musou attack and Osmosis 10 can potentially run around invulnerable for a good long time.

Morter
Jul 1, 2006

:ninja:
Gift for the grind, criminal mind shifty

Swift with the 9 through a 59FIFTY

Superuser008 posted:

Yes, deleting the DLC is supposed to fix it.

wtf, on the PS3 it seems that there's no way to delete the DLC...I'd have to delete the entire game. What the gently caress?!

My Xtreme legends copy is digital. This is immense bullshit :(

5-Headed Snake God
Jun 12, 2008

Do you see how he's a cat?




:catstare:

Dj Meow Mix
Jan 27, 2009

corgicorgicorgicorgi
rockin everywhere



Do not gently caress with Zhenji.

Morter
Jul 1, 2006

:ninja:
Gift for the grind, criminal mind shifty

Swift with the 9 through a 59FIFTY
So is there any word on how officer locations work?

I'm a prefect under another ruler, and I made a point to invite Yu Jin from Free Officer into a lieutenant, supposedly in my territory, but I can't choose him in a list of participants when I go to invade or raid. What am I missing

LeafyGreens
May 9, 2009

the elegant cephalopod

I'm playing the gathering of heroes map, and I want to know why Lu Meng who's right beside me is super tough for some reason. Even his regular troops have waaaay more health than any other army I've fought so far. I only just started :(

TheFlyingLlama
Jan 2, 2013

You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and be a llama?



Morter posted:

So is there any word on how officer locations work?

I'm a prefect under another ruler, and I made a point to invite Yu Jin from Free Officer into a lieutenant, supposedly in my territory, but I can't choose him in a list of participants when I go to invade or raid. What am I missing

As far as I can tell it's random, but occasionally rulers seem to take officers you've recruited. No clue why, or how.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Octolady posted:

I'm playing the gathering of heroes map, and I want to know why Lu Meng who's right beside me is super tough for some reason. Even his regular troops have waaaay more health than any other army I've fought so far. I only just started :(

Because Lu Meng and the rest of the Wu Strategist Broforce exude enough testosterone to make nearby soldiers manlier by proxy

Fereydun
May 9, 2008

i like how one of the general types is "traitor"

like why would you hire anyone who is a Calm Traitor unless you were very dumb or curious to see if the AI will try to usurp you

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

^^^ I'm mostly interested in their tactic from their title. I think Calm Traitors might get something useful like Scout or Rumors, but I don't remember off hand.

Speaking of, my Little Conqueror title changed last night to Saint and now I have the Compassion command. But no matter how low the happiness of my neighbors, I can never use the command (which says it's specifically to invite low happiness regions to my kingdom). What gives?

Octolady posted:

I'm playing the gathering of heroes map, and I want to know why Lu Meng who's right beside me is super tough for some reason. Even his regular troops have waaaay more health than any other army I've fought so far. I only just started :(

Level disparity? He may also have a really good Way of Life that buffs his base stats?

marshmallow creep fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Feb 27, 2015

Shima Honnou
Dec 1, 2010

The Once And Future King Of Dicetroit

College Slice
Man, the last Empires games I really played were 7 a bit and principally Samurai Warriors 2, this one is so different from what I'm used to. I don't even know how half the custom poo poo works yet. Like, what the hell is the unit thing? How does that even actually work in the game, since it seems to be building an army. Is that literally a faction creator?

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

Shima Honnou posted:

Is that literally a faction creator?

Yes. I've got so many of those little custom factions invading my kingdom right now. drat you Conan, Fenris, John Sanch, et. al! :argh:

Nemo2342
Nov 26, 2007

Have A Day




Nap Ghost

Lotish posted:

Yes. I've got so many of those little custom factions invading my kingdom right now. drat you Conan, Fenris, John Sanch, et. al! :argh:

How do the visiting officers/factions work on the PC anyway? I saw the setting to turn them off, but I'm more curious as to where they come from. It is kind of neat to see other people's officers randomly show up (and I hope mine shows up for others at some point), though I do wish I could remove some of the dumb ones like "WWWWWW" or "New Officer".

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

I don't think I've seen any visiting officers on PS4 yet

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Nemo2342 posted:

How do the visiting officers/factions work on the PC anyway? I saw the setting to turn them off, but I'm more curious as to where they come from. It is kind of neat to see other people's officers randomly show up (and I hope mine shows up for others at some point), though I do wish I could remove some of the dumb ones like "WWWWWW" or "New Officer".

They'll just turn up, quietly, in and around your games, as long as you have the options set to allow them to show up(You pick at the start of a new campaign). You can set who'll they'll appear in place of-famous guys, generics, and none at all.

On the bolded: who did you make? I'll keep an eye out. For myself, my particular don't-look-like-them-at-all monstrosities are Soul Nomad characters. Let me know if you see them.

Bloodly fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Feb 27, 2015

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

epitasis posted:

I don't think I've seen any visiting officers on PS4 yet

Must be luck of the draw, because I am full of them. I have more player created factions in my game now than I had kingdoms at the start of the Yellow Turban Rebellion.

My first created faction was to put the Dragon Age Inquisition cast into the game, and one of the first created guys I got visiting me was another Solas. I think I did the better job. :colbert: I think I did the best job recreating Varric, though.

One faction that's visiting me is something like 8 different Valkyries. All the same name but different designs.

marshmallow creep fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Feb 27, 2015

Theswarms
Dec 20, 2005

Ryoji posted:

Only local coop.

Thanks for this. I wish they'd put the effort in to use steamworks for co-op or something, especially if they are going to charge £40 for this.

Morter
Jul 1, 2006

:ninja:
Gift for the grind, criminal mind shifty

Swift with the 9 through a 59FIFTY
Okay so my Fixed Strategy is supposedly "Supply Request", but the only political/military move I can do that involves getting supplies is Levy--which procures them from the people but makes them more upset at me. I'm of neutral virtue for right now (and sort of want to keep it that way), so I'm wondering when this strategy can kick in.

Edit: Never mind, I think I figured it out. As a prefect, I had to first take the strategic task (during the war council) to request supplies, then it became an option under Schemes. It let me select another kingdom to negotiate with--along with one called "EarthRealm" owned by "Raiden"...?! :stare:

Morter fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Feb 28, 2015

Nemo2342
Nov 26, 2007

Have A Day




Nap Ghost

Bloodly posted:

They'll just turn up, quietly, in and around your games, as long as you have the options set to allow them to show up(You pick at the start of a new campaign). You can set who'll they'll appear in place of-famous guys, generics, and none at all.

On the bolded: who did you make? I'll keep an eye out. For myself, my particular don't-look-like-them-at-all monstrosities are Soul Nomad characters. Let me know if you see them.

Whenever a RTK/DW game has a custom officer mode, I always make an old man called Ma Nemo. I'm just always amused at the thought of some old guy who should be retired still going around beating up all the young-punk "heroes".

So far I haven't found anyone really notable though, just a couple of random female officers (it's easier to spot those).

Kylra
Dec 1, 2006

Not a cute boy, just a boring girl.
The game doesn't want to run on my PC. Anyone have this problem and fixed it? I tried reinstalling already.

E: It was a problem with steam. It didn't close right either so my earlier steam restart attempt was botched.

Kylra fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Feb 28, 2015

Speedball
Apr 15, 2008

What, Jim Sterling didn't like 8X:Empire? Huh. He usually can't get enough Dynasty Warriors.

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

Nemo2342 posted:

Whenever a RTK/DW game has a custom officer mode, I always make an old man called Ma Nemo. I'm just always amused at the thought of some old guy who should be retired still going around beating up all the young-punk "heroes".

So far I haven't found anyone really notable though, just a couple of random female officers (it's easier to spot those).

I think I'm going to make a Li Jue or Zhao E. One, because Zhao E sounds like she was a real life badass, and because the game needs more guys like this:

That is Emperor loving Palpatine right there.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

Speedball posted:

What, Jim Sterling didn't like 8X:Empire? Huh. He usually can't get enough Dynasty Warriors.

He's pretty specific in why, since he calls the Empires the worst part of the usual Warriors trilogy per number. Also far less to do as a non-ruler which apparently was in 7, and coming from Hyrule Warriors which is probably the most polished Warriors game ever, he's pissed.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Nemo2342 posted:

Whenever a RTK/DW game has a custom officer mode, I always make an old man called Ma Nemo. I'm just always amused at the thought of some old guy who should be retired still going around beating up all the young-punk "heroes".

Tell me you always hunt down Huang Zhong.

EDIT: Gah. I'm learning I'm very much a great fighter but terrible leader. I take a place, it gets overrun. I serve a place, it has issues. I wander around, it takes forever to do anything.(This is also true of 'serving a place'.) I'm missing something obvious.

Bloodly fucked around with this message at 13:05 on Feb 28, 2015

Dramicus
Mar 26, 2010
Grimey Drawer
How does this compare to Empires 7? I've heard they removed a bunch of features, or is that BS?

Raku
Nov 7, 2012

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.

Roll Tide
8 Empires does feel... shallow. Also man it's grating to lose Hyrule's lock-on.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
It's weird, I didn't mind dynasty warriors being samey until Hyrule Warriors and shots of Dragon Warriors are out there, making things like Empire 8 so dog poo poo in comparison.

Speedball
Apr 15, 2008

Hideyoshi is just so drat cheerful in WO3. I confess I never actually got any Samurai Warriors game, is he that happy there too? (That flamboyant sunburst-helmet he's got...wow.)

Happy Hedonist
Jan 18, 2009


May I ask why in the gently caress this wooden ox is able to propel itself from place to place and why Chinese generals care enough to escort it?

Anonymous Robot
Jun 1, 2007

Lost his leg in Robo War I

Happy Hedonist posted:

May I ask why in the gently caress this wooden ox is able to propel itself from place to place and why Chinese generals care enough to escort it?

Huang Yueying is a genius!!!

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

Tae posted:

It's weird, I didn't mind dynasty warriors being samey until Hyrule Warriors and shots of Dragon Warriors are out there, making things like Empire 8 so dog poo poo in comparison.

Not sure if it's just me but it honestly seemed to run worse than normal DW8, a worse frsmerate and less enemies on screen.

Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

Speedball posted:

Hideyoshi is just so drat cheerful in WO3. I confess I never actually got any Samurai Warriors game, is he that happy there too? (That flamboyant sunburst-helmet he's got...wow.)

he's a happy little monkey

Speedball
Apr 15, 2008

Happy Hedonist posted:

May I ask why in the gently caress this wooden ox is able to propel itself from place to place and why Chinese generals care enough to escort it?

I've never even been able to tell what the hell the original wooden ox actually did historically.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.
Disguised supply transport. Apparently it worked well enough.

Drakenel
Dec 2, 2008

The glow is a guide, my friend. Though it falls to you to avert catastrophe, you will never fight alone.

Speedball posted:

I've never even been able to tell what the hell the original wooden ox actually did historically.

What bloodly said, but supposedly they could lock the wheels by pulling a switch hidden in the mouth so that they could just abandon it in the event of an attack and the enemy would have such difficulty moving it they could just take it back on the counterattack.

Supposedly.

Drakenel fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Feb 28, 2015

rodney mullenkamp
Nov 5, 2010

Speedball posted:

Hideyoshi is just so drat cheerful in WO3. I confess I never actually got any Samurai Warriors game, is he that happy there too? (That flamboyant sunburst-helmet he's got...wow.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBDsiFyorcI

Jegan
Nov 5, 2009

Speedball posted:

I've never even been able to tell what the hell the original wooden ox actually did historically.

They were just wheelbarrows. Used in the 230 invasion of Shu by Wei. They were supposed to be used by Shu to retrieve supplies before the fields were overrun, but the whole campaign was rained out, so historically they did nothing but get bogged down in mud.

That's just military use. It's quite likely that farmers used them for ages before Zhuge Liang was born.

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7seven7
May 19, 2006

I barfed because you looked in my eyes!
I have to say that DW8:E is the first Empires game I've been initially disappointed with. I got the digital PS3 version and the textures in battle are terribly bad. I don't understand how the graphics can be worse than in the previous entry. And the vast majority of the edit mode options are taken from DW7:E. My favourite part of Empires is playing Ancient Chinese Barbies and a lack of new outfits is incredibly lazy.

It feels like a step back in a lot of areas. But I'm enjoying the new customisation options like banners and soldiers. And the actual empire building part of the game seems to have been significantly expanded, so it's not all bad.

What's the deal with officers leaving/rebelling against your kingdom? Is it purely based on your friendship rating with the officers in question? Should I be hosting a few banquets at the beginning of a campaign to prevent it happening? It sucks spending a couple of hours putting a team together only to have your best buddy try and stab you in the back five months into a game.

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