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Henchman of Santa posted:I haven't seen the movie but isn't one of them Samuel L. Jackson? No, he's the bad guy. As for the Thatcher mention, they do temper it with Eggsy saying that some people hated her.
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muscles like this? posted:No, he's the bad guy. As for the Thatcher mention, they do temper it with Eggsy saying that some people hated her. Yeah, "some". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmmomV-ax-s
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muscles like this? posted:No, he's the bad guy. As for the Thatcher mention, they do temper it with Eggsy saying that some people hated her. Yeah, poors like him.
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Pilchenstein posted:Watching Arrow, I'm incredibly annoyed by the fact that apparently the only way Oliver can ever hope to kill Ra's al Ghul is by learning to swordfight. Rather than say, shooting him full or arrows or buying a machinegun since this isn't the middle loving ages. In fact, I'd say that if he's the best swordsman in the world then your plan should be anything but "get into a sword fight with him". That would work if Oliver wasn't so gung ho about dueling the dude. He could also probably get Argus to bomb it from orbit.
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Edit: nope, thinking of Frank Miller.
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Snapchat A Titty posted:I'm kindof annoyed when in thrillers an unsympathetic character is introduced just so they can get killed without the audience feeling too bad about it. This reminds me of a scene in Sons of Anarchy where I decided that this is a really terrible show. In the first season some of the bikers are outside of a gas station, including the main character, Jax. Some random dude and his girlfriend are there too and the guy decides to sit on Jax's bike. So naturally Jax punches him in the face. I guess sitting on another guy's bike violates some code maybe, but it still seems like a pretty assholish reason to hit someone. I guess the shows writers realized this too so they had to add in a line about the random dude hitting his girlfriend who had a mark on her face. So instead of being an rear end in a top hat, Jax instead comes out of the situation looking like some noble leather clad knight. It was a bad show because it was too afraid of admitting the main characters are terrible people.
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Imagined posted:Edit: nope, thinking of Frank Miller. No I think Dennis Miller is up there too. I'm noticing a serious Miller/Millar trend here..
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mind the walrus posted:No I think Dennis Miller is up there too. I'm noticing a serious Miller/Millar trend here.. Oh yeah, but I meant in the world of comics.
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Imagined posted:Edit: nope, thinking of Frank Miller. I don't think Frank Miller was ever not authoritarian, but for sure he went just way over the cliff after 9/11. Like underneath the sexism &c there are entertaining stories in Sin City & Ronin & the Batman things, but after 9/11 it's basically just revenge porn. Ego-bot posted:It was a bad show because it was too afraid of admitting the main characters are terrible people. Yeah this is the exact problem with a lot of things. If the protagonist does a thing, there's immediately a justification pushed into frame just to offset any worries you might've had. You haven't even gotten to process whether it's good or bad yet. Btw, The Drop handled this excellently, and Gandolfini & Hardy were great. I loved it.
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Ego-bot posted:This reminds me of a scene in Sons of Anarchy where I decided that this is a really terrible show. To be fair, that episode ends with Jax banging the chick and then tossing her to one of the other girls who casually explains that her job is to be passed around the various bikers getting hosed by them until one of them likes her enough to make her their "old lady", so she calls up her scumbag ex-boyfriend to pick her up and Jax gives her this big  look as she goes. That was all wrapped up in the whole "his true love is the Doctor lady" thing but it was still a horrible abuse of this poor girl, and really made it clear he wasn't a chivalrous paragon of virtue.I say to be fair, and that was one of the worst moments of season one, but holy poo poo did that show get terrible after season 2's rather excellent (and intimate) story about the white supremacists trying to run them out of town. It just got worse and worse till I had to quit watching, and I never saw the last three seasons. For all I know it got better, but maybe it got worse... maybe it got Dexter-worst 
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Jerusalem posted:To be fair, that episode ends with Jax banging the chick and then tossing her to one of the other girls who casually explains that her job is to be passed around the various bikers getting hosed by them until one of them likes her enough to make her their "old lady", so she calls up her scumbag ex-boyfriend to pick her up and Jax gives her this big Definitely not Dexter bad but it got really bad. Transvestite prostitutes, drowning in piss tubs and a school shooting are all integral parts of the last few seasons.
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mind the walrus posted:No I think Dennis Miller is up there too. I'm noticing a serious Miller/Millar trend here.. Dennis and Frank both lost their minds after 9/11.
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Creature posted:Most public (government run) schools in Australia have houses as well, as far as I know. But they're mostly just a way of splitting the school up evenly for sports days and similar activities. At my school it was primarily used by the teachers to decide who was on bin duty. Pilchenstein posted:Watching Arrow, I'm incredibly annoyed by the fact that apparently the only way Oliver can ever hope to kill Ra's al Ghul is by learning to swordfight. Rather than say, shooting him full or arrows or buying a machinegun since this isn't the middle loving ages. In fact, I'd say that if he's the best swordsman in the world then your plan should be anything but "get into a sword fight with him". Ego-bot posted:I guess sitting on another guy's bike violates some code maybe 
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I'm irritated because in the Wolverine movies and Xmen movies, his whole fighting style is "run at poo poo and get beaten up", but he's supposed to be this awesome ninja master fighter guy. He just sucks at fighting in the movies.
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Feb 28, 2015 06:21
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:I'm irritated because in the Wolverine movies and Xmen movies, his whole fighting style is "run at poo poo and get beaten up", but he's supposed to be this awesome ninja master fighter guy. That makes sense though. If you can recover from any injury in seconds, why would you ever bother learning to fight well? You can just keep coming back for as long as it takes to wear your opponent down.
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:I'm irritated because in the Wolverine movies and Xmen movies, his whole fighting style is "run at poo poo and get beaten up", but he's supposed to be this awesome ninja master fighter guy. Well to be fair, you can probably leave a trail of beaten greatest warriors/fighters in the world behind you if nothing they can do to you will actually stop you from getting back up and taking another swing at them till they get so tired they start slipping. With a record like that, people are gonna think Wolverine is some great fighter when all he's doing is outcardio-ing everybody and healing through what should be fatal/crippling wounds that would end the fight otherwise. That's part of why I liked Days of Future Past. He tells Magneto that he got sent back in time because he's the ultimate survivor, but then later on they fight and Magneto just casually wraps him up in incredibly heavy metals and sends him flying 20 miles away and down into the bottom of the river where he can't do anything but lie there drowning over and over again until he gets hauled out by a salvage crew. He has no further impact on the movie, because his abilities are completely negated and irrelevant to the situation at hand. Edit: Yeah, what Tiggum said. Jerusalem has a new favorite as of 07:00 on Feb 28, 2015 |
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I get that, but it's just annoying that they take a character that has a big history of being the best fighter around (dude's basically immortal) and then just not bothering to train Jackman to actually fight at all. It'd be like if they had a spiderman movie where he couldn't shoot webs.
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Tiggum posted:That code is "don't touch other people's stuff without permission", and it's not unique to motorbikes. I'll grant you, punching someone over it is probably not the way to go, but seriously, keep your hands off other people's property. You don't gently caress with a dude's car, and you sure as hell don't gently caress with an outlaw biker's bike. A real-life Hell's Angel or Bandito would probably shoot you for sitting on his bike. Speaking of SoA, it's pretty amusing watching it now -- you can tell when Pacific Rim was shot, because they had the whole prison storyline to explain Charlie's haircut.
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Imagined posted:The irritating thing about Kingsman to me, even though it was undoubtedly a fun movie, was the political angle. Like, OK, having opinions is fine, but this one is less subtle than the last five minutes of an early episode of Southpark. It makes 300 look like a nuanced commentary on foreign relations. To give you some examples: Except their boss is working with the villain, as is one of the rejected candidates. Meanwhile, the poor scholarship kid who got rejected comes through and does the right thing - as did his working class father. So the actual message is that bravery, selflessness and benevolence are things that have to be taught to the rich and that they can't be trusted.
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Your Gay Uncle posted:Definitely not Dexter bad but it got really bad. Transvestite prostitutes, drowning in piss tubs and a school shooting are all integral parts of the last few seasons. Tiggum posted:The whole premise of the show is that this guy who lives in the modern world is fighting crime with a bow and arrow. Diggle's always used guns, criminals use guns, the cops use guns, but Oliver, Roy, Malcolm etc. all use bows and arrows for some reason.
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Jedit posted:Except their boss is working with the villain, as is one of the rejected candidates. Meanwhile, the poor scholarship kid who got rejected comes through and does the right thing - as did his working class father. So the actual message is that bravery, selflessness and benevolence are things that have to be taught to the rich and that they can't be trusted. This is the entire theme of the film and it amazes me how people think it's making GBS threads on the lower classes.
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poptart_fairy posted:This is the entire theme of the film and it amazes me how people think it's making GBS threads on the lower classes. Well, for the most part it doesn't portray the lower classes in a good light and it does suggest that the best way to serve your country is to be a nob. On the other hand, it starts subverting that early when Harry asks Eggsy about Pygmalion movies; Harry asks Eggsy if he's seen the action movie version and the two comedies with prostitutes, but it turns out Eggsy has only seen My Fair Lady - the last one Harry had expected him to have watched.
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Does it though? I mean Eggy's mom has a lovely boyfriend but he's no worse than what other characters in the film set out to do, and Eggsy's potential is shown to have been limited by his compassion and worry (i.e. his Mother's fear of losing him like his Father is what held him back) rather than any social class. I dunno. I don't really get how it shows the Social Elite(tm) being the best purely because of their birth.
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Do I need to be British to enjoy this movie? Is there going to be a lot of class angst that is going to fly over my head?
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ElGroucho posted:Do I need to be British to enjoy this movie? Is there going to be a lot of class angst that is going to fly over my head? Do you need to be British to watch Austin Powers and/or James Bond? OK, so let's say I buy y'alls arguments about Eggsy's arc himself. Are you suggesting that this movie is not fundamentally reactionary/right-wing in a very British Tory sort of way? To me it seemed like porn for Tories. Imagined has a new favorite as of 16:22 on Feb 28, 2015 |
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Imagined posted:Do you need to be British to watch Austin Powers and/or James Bond? I don't remember ever hearing a discussion about the proletariat vs bourgeois when referencing either movie.
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ElGroucho posted:I don't remember ever hearing a discussion about the proletariat vs bourgeois when referencing either movie. Think of it like 300. You can watch that as a film about the brown eastern menace and the gays and the cripples vs the noble white western supermen, or you can just watch a bunch of mancandy in slow-mo swordfights and never think any more about it. That's about the level we're talking about here.
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Creature posted:I know it's a minor annoyance, but I always start yelling at the screen during movies when characters are driving and talking to whoever's in the passenger seat. Eyes on the road, dipshits. You're gonna get hit by a bus if you maintain constant eye contact with your friend while in the middle of a busy highway. Jerusalem posted:That's part of why I liked Days of Future Past. He tells Magneto that he got sent back in time because he's the ultimate survivor, but then later on they fight and Magneto just casually wraps him up in incredibly heavy metals and sends him flying 20 miles away and down into the bottom of the river where he can't do anything but lie there drowning over and over again until he gets hauled out by a salvage crew. He has no further impact on the movie, because his abilities are completely negated and irrelevant to the situation at hand. That was my beef with DOFP. Drowning is like the worst way to die, and past timeline Wolverine was subjected to that for hours before being pulled out. Maybe it's for the best that new timeline Wolverine overwrote him.
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:I get that, but it's just annoying that they take a character that has a big history of being the best fighter around (dude's basically immortal) and then just not bothering to train Jackman to actually fight at all. He only really tends to use his skill against good guys he doesnt want to kill, like when he's fighting someone like Shang-Chi and out karates him instead of shanking him.
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Imagined posted:Think of it like 300. You can watch that as a film about the brown eastern menace and the gays and the cripples vs the noble white western supermen, or you can just watch a bunch of mancandy in slow-mo swordfights and never think any more about it. That's about the level we're talking about here. There's a 5 minute scene where you get to watch one of the main characters brutally murder the entire totally not Westboro Baptist Church. This really isn't the deep and complex movie people are painting it as. Just watch and enjoy.
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Rysithusiku posted:There's a 5 minute scene where you get to watch one of the main characters brutally murder the entire totally not Westboro Baptist Church. To be totally fair that could fit in-line with a right wing view since the Westboro fucks are some of the worst PR for the right wing out there. I think it's not really right wing as much as it is classist, and since right-wingers are a lot more candid about how they lionize the middle class while simultaneously jerking off the rich incessantly in a naked bid to be one of the "big people", the ideology of the story generally hangs. quote:This really isn't the deep and complex movie people are painting it as. Just watch and enjoy. I don't think anyone here is saying it is deep or complex. I think that's why they like talking about it because there isn't much to "get" but it's still a contentious enough topic to drive discussion. And never say "just watch and enjoy" anywhere near one of these threads. If goons were able to do that they'd just be loving doing it.
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Rysithusiku posted:There's a 5 minute scene where you get to watch one of the main characters brutally murder the entire totally not Westboro Baptist Church. Well, technically it was the radical environmentalist techno villain who made that happen. Clearly the filmmakers relished in it, but there are lots of right wing types who hate those Westboro fucks too. mind the walrus posted:
The main problem with the "just watch and enjoy" premise is that this is how I enjoy things. Thinking and talking about a movie / book / whatever is more than half the fun. I literally don't understand when people act like it's fun to not think about something.
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Imagined posted:The main problem with the "just watch and enjoy" premise is that this is how I enjoy things. Thinking and talking about a movie / book / whatever is more than half the fun. I literally don't understand when people act like it's fun to not think about something. To be fair there is such a thing as taking analysis too far and just being masturbatory-- hey CineD!-- but this sure as hell ain't at that level.
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mind the walrus posted:To be fair there is such a thing as taking analysis too far and just being masturbatory-- hey CineD!-- but this sure as hell ain't at that level. Also it is possible to not click on this thread.
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mind the walrus posted:To be fair there is such a thing as taking analysis too far and just being masturbatory-- hey CineD!-- but this sure as hell ain't at that level. Honestly forgot what subforum I was looking at until you posted this.
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If this thread were in CineD it'd be the nerd equivalent of a slaughterhouse floor in all the worst ways with a door in front that lets any ol' PETA member wander in.
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In Return of the Jedi, how did Lando figure out that the shield was still up? Couldn't it just have been a bluff?
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Cruel and Unusual posted:In Return of the Jedi, how did Lando figure out that the shield was still up? Couldn't it just have been a bluff? Because they couldn't get a reading on the shields up or down which means they were most likely being jammed. If they were being jammed, then the empire knew they were coming. if the empire knew they were coming, then it is safe to assume that that the shield generator outpost knew they were coming as well. Which meant that in all likelihood, the shields were still up.
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