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 I think this one is actually from a Bruce Lee movie, but I don't know which one  
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Feb 28, 2015 04:37
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Now someone post all of the Akira bike slides.
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Feb 28, 2015 05:26
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There's a Skyrim mod that lets you do this. You make tiny men and you can either set them on your enemies or create different coloured ones and have them fight each other to the death.
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Feb 28, 2015 05:37
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Xenoletum posted:Now someone post all of the Akira bike slides. I have one: 
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Feb 28, 2015 07:17
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Where's the full video of this?
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Feb 28, 2015 10:44
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Xenoletum posted:Now someone post all of the Akira bike slides.  
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Feb 28, 2015 12:10
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 Thing is, when I see a cartoon do an homage to the Akira slide, I think it's cool or I think it's maybe trying too hard to connect itself to something good. But when I see something obnoxiously bad like naruto imitate Bebop, I don't think "homage, hit or miss". . . I just think "naruto animators are lazy shits and shouldn't be copying others". My perception as a viewer is completely different though the circumstances are essentially the same, and I see it as an insult rather than a compliment. Then again, I've see the Wilhelm scream done terribly too. Am I just hating on a kid's cartoon because I'm not the target audience, or is it as lovely as I think it is?
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Feb 28, 2015 12:11
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Aren't both scenes just referencing the same Bruce Lee film or something?
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Feb 28, 2015 14:19
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Also put it this way animation especially of the human form is hard and having a frame by frame reference makes thing much easier. I mean Disney the paragon of early animation used rotoscoping for many of their early efforts like Cinderella here Edit: Cookie Monster shower thoughts       
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Feb 28, 2015 14:28
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Literally Esoteric posted:Thing is, when I see a cartoon do an homage to the Akira slide, I think it's cool or I think it's maybe trying too hard to connect itself to something good. Almost all animation, especially of choreographed dancing or fighting, comes from a live action reference. American animators usually have a pretty long turn around time, and can storyboard all their action scenes out, maybe only using photos or just taking inspiration from whatever their reference is. Japanese animators have to crank poo poo out at an absurd pace, and will use whatever they can to make it look not horrible.   Robin Hood is Disney's biggest example of reusing animation. The movie had a low budget and small crew for a Disney movie, so the animator's took a lot of shortcuts.
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Feb 28, 2015 15:17
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I call this super Sayan level 2
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Feb 28, 2015 16:13
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Xenoletum posted:Now someone post all of the Akira bike slides.     
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Feb 28, 2015 17:45
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The thing to remember about art is that it has historically used reference models. Old paintings, sculptures, Alex Ross, animation (traditional and digital), they all use models/actors to get what they need. If you're going to critique it, you should worry less about it been used and more on how it is used. A good example is Alex Ross and Greg Land. Ross takes photos of his friends posed in how he wants a panel to be laid out with the right lighting and then makes up all the details of the characters as he draws it. Greg Land pretty much copies wholesale from his references with few changes and uses porn as a reference in a way that juxtaposes with the scene.
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Feb 28, 2015 17:58
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The big difference for me is that while the Akira slide is an obvious homage because it's so iconic, a fighting or dancing scene is generic enough (with possible exceptions) that it's obviously a simple matter of reusing reference material. Which is understandable, hardly noticeable and not at all a big deal in my mind, because who cares unless it's a blatant and super obvious ripoff, in which case it's a fine line between ripoff and homage so whatever. e: Literally Esoteric posted:
Basically this, except a fighting or dancing scene is so generic that unless they're put side by side the chances of me noticing it are pretty much nil so it doesn't bother me in the slightest. Taeke has a new favorite as of 18:45 on Feb 28, 2015 |
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Feb 28, 2015 18:43
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Tasoth posted:The thing to remember about art is that it has historically used reference models. Old paintings, sculptures, Alex Ross, animation (traditional and digital), they all use models/actors to get what they need. If you're going to critique it, you should worry less about it been used and more on how it is used. A good example is Alex Ross and Greg Land. Ross takes photos of his friends posed in how he wants a panel to be laid out with the right lighting and then makes up all the details of the characters as he draws it. Greg Land pretty much copies wholesale from his references with few changes and uses porn as a reference in a way that juxtaposes with the scene. Greg Land has been phoning it in for years. 
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Feb 28, 2015 18:49
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I'm a professional illustrator, and yes, people use photo reference. No one "comes up with this poo poo from their head". It's all about studying from life; the way people move, the way light plays off of certain things, color, everything. Two people I know with entirely different styles off each end of the spectrum, Mike Mignola and Boris Vallejo, both use photo reference. Whether it's just to get simple poses and perspective right in Mike's case, to how exactly the abs are shaded on a figure in Boris' case, we all use reference. The reason why Hayao Miyazaki stated that anime ruined anime is because anime artists are just drawing off of anime, and not from life and actual observations. It's like a visual telephone game of degradation until no one knows how the hell an eye looks at a 3/4 angle. But, like Literally Esoteric said, in the case of the Akira bike slide it is a nice homage when I do see it used in certain circumstances, but when it's in utter poo poo it's just cringe-worthy as much as a bad Mucha-styled Doctor Who homage can be if done poorly.
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Feb 28, 2015 18:56
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And some homages are barely recognizable as such.
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Feb 28, 2015 19:02
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Another difference is that the you see the Akira bike slide in completely different animations styles, some of which so different that it couldn't feasibly be lazy animation but has to be a deliberate choice. Anime, while there's some good stuff out there and I do realise there's various styles, is generally fairly homogenous and because of that, even if it is a deliberate homage it comes across the same way as Disney reusing material.
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Feb 28, 2015 19:04
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SatansBestBuddy posted:I think this one is actually from a Bruce Lee movie, but I don't know which one      You can get the movie pretty cheap on Blu-Ray or DVD. Hell, the whole series is only $35 right now, both the Blu-Ray and DVD editions. Robert Denby has a new favorite as of 19:52 on Feb 28, 2015 |
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Feb 28, 2015 19:50
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Tasoth posted:The thing to remember about art is that it has historically used reference models. Old paintings, sculptures, Alex Ross, animation (traditional and digital), they all use models/actors to get what they need. If you're going to critique it, you should worry less about it been used and more on how it is used. A good example is Alex Ross and Greg Land. Ross takes photos of his friends posed in how he wants a panel to be laid out with the right lighting and then makes up all the details of the characters as he draws it. Greg Land pretty much copies wholesale from his references with few changes and uses porn as a reference in a way that juxtaposes with the scene. Best example of that being done in digital animation recently: http://i.imgur.com/zIQRNYC.webm The creator of the series seriously tied poo poo to his cat to see how it would react and they based a lot of Toothless' movements on those experiments.
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Feb 28, 2015 19:53
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pretty much every animator uses reference. Timing and coming up with everything by heart would take 10x the time. Pixar people use friends and and coworkers to block in their major movements so stuff looks more natural
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Feb 28, 2015 19:58
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I think what a lot of it comes down to is what Practical Demon mentioned above, about the quality, budget, and timelines of the studio. I think it's a matter of the scale and scope of the studio's work being directly correlated to the quality of the work. Studios that have time and budget to produce good work will do so. Sweat shop animation factories that are cranking out an episode every few days won't, and I don't know if that's necessarily an American/Japanese thing — there's some beautifully animated anime, and some American cartoons that are complete garbage. Hell, look at how awful the animation on the Simpsons is these days — it's essentially become a digital copy-paste job to crank out another lifeless weekly show.
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Feb 28, 2015 20:07
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I'm really enjoying this discussion (real talk). I never knew there were so many homages to that Akira bike slide. It makes me want to watch Akira again. Is there another instance where an animation sequence has been copied as much?
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Feb 28, 2015 20:08
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MrMidnight posted:I'm really enjoying this discussion (real talk). I never knew there were so many homages to that Akira bike slide. It makes me want to watch Akira again. Is there another instance where an animation sequence has been copied as much? I think a bunch of Bruce Lee fight scenes have made it in to anime. Maybe someone else could compile some?
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Feb 28, 2015 20:36
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The gently caress is akira?
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Feb 28, 2015 21:45
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Shifty Nipples posted:The gently caress is akira? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=akira
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Feb 28, 2015 21:46
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pretty sure that finn+jake bike slide is fanart and didn't appear in the actual show
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Feb 28, 2015 21:52
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Which bike slide is the original? I was guessing Akira, right?
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Feb 28, 2015 21:58
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Haruharuharuko posted:There's a hole down to deck 12 from how far her panties just dropped. The deck numbers go up when you go lower on the ship. The bridge is Deck 1 and they are in the cargo bay which is like deck 38 or something! 
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Feb 28, 2015 22:19
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Feb 28, 2015 23:04
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Avulsion posted:And some homages are barely recognizable as such. I don't think moving away from the counter counts as a reference to the Bike Slide, I'm pretty sure this isn't a reference or homage and rather just the character rolling away from the camera. Jastiger posted:Which bike slide is the original? I was guessing Akira, right? Yeah.
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Feb 28, 2015 23:08
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Shai-Hulud posted:The deck numbers go up when you go lower on the ship. The bridge is Deck 1 and they are in the cargo bay which is like deck 38 or something! That's one hell of a wedgie, then.
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Feb 28, 2015 23:12
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Lord Lambeth posted:pretty sure that finn+jake bike slide is fanart and didn't appear in the actual show You are correct, and the Bart thing I posted is just a fan animation as well.   Jastiger posted:Which bike slide is the original? I was guessing Akira, right? Here's a webm or some other giant gif type thing of the whole scene. http://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/13136/akira-animated-hitoshi_ueda-lightning-vehicle a kitten has a new favorite as of 23:58 on Feb 28, 2015 |
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Jisae posted:The reason why Hayao Miyazaki stated that anime ruined anime is because anime artists are just drawing off of anime, and not from life and actual observations. It's like a visual telephone game of degradation until no one knows how the hell an eye looks at a 3/4 angle. But, like Literally Esoteric said, in the case of the Akira bike slide it is a nice homage when I do see it used in certain circumstances, but when it's in utter poo poo it's just cringe-worthy as much as a bad Mucha-styled Doctor Who homage can be if done poorly.      And now I'm depressed. 
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Mar 1, 2015 01:12
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That old man is right
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Jamsque posted:Back problems also led to his unique approach to chair usage I think this may be more a tall person thing; I've certainly have done that a lot. King of Fighters XI, if memory serves.
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Zzulu posted:That old man is right Not just that but he's got a right to have a problem with it more than any goon that has ever been or ever will be on SA.
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