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Ettin
Oct 2, 2010
SA is not really the forum for discussing how to make knockoffs anyway :v:

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BlackIronHeart
Aug 2, 2004

The Oath Breaker's about to hit warphead nine Kaptain!
You can get a 7th Ed. mini rulebook for around $25 on eBay.

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!

Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

Actually, unless there are multiple wings in the kit, the wings looks amazing on the other side. All sorts of ruinous power scarification.

I like those wings, and the whole model. I'm disappointed it's coming out right after Bones II came in with a pretty awesome bloodthirster proxy, but them's the breaks.

Omar al-Bishie posted:

so is there an affordable way to get my hands on 7 Ed rules? I bought the starter kit years ago and it came with a little book.

also wow codexes are $50 now wtf

There are three versions of the 7e rules minibooks; one in the repackaged Dark Vengeance starter set, and one in each of the newer campaign sets. If you ask around locally, there's likely someone who has more than one of the mini books and would be willing to sell them cheaply, or you can check ebay but they might be more expensive than you'd like there.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

REAL MUSCLE MILK posted:

I'll never get over the mental gymnastics it must take to steal someone's intellectual property because you're too cheap to pay what they ask for it but still somehow insist you have the right to own it
It's simple, really. I like their designs, but I also think 110 dollars for a single miniature is absolute madness, no matter the detail. I also think they are a bad company and don't want to give them money even if I like their designs. I'm not asking for knockoff contact information here, incidentally, I was just curious if GW had eradicated them in the few years I stopped paying attention to Warhammer since around that time there had just started to pop up a ton of dudes replicating the Forgeworld Dreadnoughts for like 25 bucks each.

It's the same with Transformers. Take Hercules, the Masterpiece Devastator 3rd party combiner(before the newly-announced Hasbro Titan-Class Devastator was revealed). $400. Some folks think that's too much for a toy, so there's a knockoff that's serviceable that's $60.

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I'd take the slight quality hit in exchange for the far cheaper price, pretty much every time.

Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Mar 1, 2015

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
Ghost Ark painted and edge highlighted. Who wants to paint my 2nd one :v:

LordAba
Oct 22, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

panascope posted:

Playing new Necrons some more, I can't help but feel big blocks of warriors are a bit of a trap if you aren't running a Decurion. You pretty much auto-lose combat even to junk like Assault Marines unless you heavily invest in a baller HQ unit/end up with Zealot as a warlord trait. Wraiths are bangin though, bring more Wraiths.

Necrons have great counter chargers in wraiths, lynchguard, and praetorians (now that the later are cheaper). At least warriors get the Reanimation Protocols before the checks for the leadership. A destroyer lord for preferred enemy and assault defense might help as well.

panascope
Mar 26, 2005


This would be cool if you had picked the one true team: God's Own Seattle Football Seahawks. :hawksin:

A 50S RAYGUN
Aug 22, 2011

Captain Invictus posted:

I'd take the slight quality hit in exchange for the far cheaper price, pretty much every time.

Of course pretty much everyone wants cheaper stuff. It's not about the money vs quality tradeoff, it's about morality.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
Morality in the Games Workshop thread, mmm yes

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




Captain Invictus posted:

It's simple, really. I'm not asking for knockoff contact information here, incidentally, I was just curious if GW had eradicated them in the few years I stopped paying attention to Warhammer since around that time there had just started to pop up a ton of dudes replicating the Forgeworld Dreadnoughts for like 25 bucks each.

Short answer no, it's an entire industry now

A 50S RAYGUN
Aug 22, 2011
Is your stance 'paying more than I would like for barbies or bad rules is immoral'?

TheArmorOfContempt
Nov 29, 2012

Did I ever tell you my favorite color was blue?

Omar al-Bishie posted:

so is there an affordable way to get my hands on 7 Ed rules? I bought the starter kit years ago and it came with a little book.

also wow codexes are $50 now wtf

e: chaos cultists look beastly, are they a troop choice for chaos now? are they just guardsmen?

Buy a tablet, download every PDF in the world. I've already shelled out a significant amount of money for models, paints, etc. I feel zero sympathy for downloading the rulebooks for armies I don't even own, I already own hard copies of the Rulebook(and the 2 others from the set) and the Space Marine Codex. I understand companies need to make money and such, and I will continue to buy a vast majority of models new and directly from them, that being said...if a model appears on Ebay, reasonably priced, and fully-painted I could care less where it originally came from.

Heck, I am already so lost to this game after starting 7 months ago, that I own an Inquisition Dice Bag and a Servo-Skull tape measure...KILL ME!

Ettin posted:

SA is not really the forum for discussing how to make knockoffs anyway :v:

I am not really curious because I want an avenue to buy cheap stuff, but because these models are so highly detailed it seems like a shitload of effort goes into making the molds(or whatever is used) and aside from stealing them from the company or having some process that allows you make one using existing models, it seems like it would take a lot of work. That, or require a large infrastructure, I have no clue how big the machinery is that even creates these things.

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




REAL MUSCLE MILK posted:

Is your stance 'paying more than I would like for barbies or bad rules is immoral'?

Under which moral system?

A 50S RAYGUN
Aug 22, 2011
Go ahead and construct a morality system where 'people buy things I don't like' is immoral, I'll wait.

Renfield
Feb 29, 2008
I got given (well, sold for a couple of beers) a recast of an Eldar Lynx Superheavy - it's actually better quality than the other Forgeworld stuff I have (being cast in heavier resin with no bubbles, but more cancer probably) - and the only way you could tell it's not an original is: it's heavier to pick up, and the canopy was opaque.

So, whenever I see models with the clear-bits painted solid, I automatically think 'That's a fake'

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

REAL MUSCLE MILK posted:

Go ahead and construct a morality system where 'people buy things I don't like' is immoral, I'll wait.
Haha, I actually think you were the one to get into this moralistic stupidity literally years ago last time I saw it brought up.

I literally don't care as long as it's cheaper and of decent quality whether it's an official product or not especially since I consider GW a horrible company and do not want to give them a single cent ever again for their miniatures.

edit: this does not mean I do not like their models or fluff or artwork or games.

Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Mar 1, 2015

Hra Mormo
Mar 6, 2008

The Internet Man

REAL MUSCLE MILK posted:

I'll never get over the mental gymnastics it must take to steal someone's intellectual property because you're too cheap to pay what they ask for it but still somehow insist you have the right to own it

Is this referring to GW or Recasters/people who buy from recasters as the stealing party? Or is that the joke?

A 50S RAYGUN
Aug 22, 2011

Captain Invictus posted:

Haha, I actually think you were the one to get into this moralistic stupidity literally years ago last time I saw it brought up.

I literally don't care as long as it's cheaper and of decent quality whether it's an official product or not especially since I consider GW a horrible company and do not want to give them a single cent ever again for their miniatures.

edit: this does not mean I do not like their models or fluff or artwork or games.

I've only given a poo poo about Warhammer for like 2 years, so that's pretty unlikely. Agree to disagree, different strokes, we're unlikely to change each other's stance.

Hra Mormo posted:

Is this referring to GW or Recasters/people who buy from recasters as the stealing party? Or is that the joke?

WH40k is pretty much an amalgamation of various bullshit old science fiction stuff, yes, but that's the difference between the companies who make not-40k stuff and the people who literally reproduce 40k figures.

Slimnoid
Sep 6, 2012

Does that mean I don't get the job?

Hra Mormo posted:

Or is that the joke?

Sadly, no.

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Got my first game of 7th ed. in today; first game in over two years.

Question:

Flyer gets crew stunned by a LR Vanquisher (I know) 18" right in front of it. Does it wreck next turn, or does crew stunned mean it has to go at least 18" but can go more?

Also:

Any good non-GW source for terrain?

LordAba
Oct 22, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

Any good non-GW source for terrain?

Gale force 9 terrain is super sexy. Grey prepaint, SUPER solid, good value. Awesome.

Specifically look up Battlefield in a Box. Ruins and river pieces. Just make sure they get the right scale since they make Flames of War scale stuff as well.

LordAba fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Mar 1, 2015

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat

Lord Twisted posted:

Like all good things people got greedy. Reddit had a loving subreddit devoted to knockoffs, GW legal camped it out and took down most of the decent casters. A guy called War Dream was doing perfect quality stuff only to have people blab around his contact info.

I was pissed some rear end in a top hat posted all his info on reddit. Way to ruin it for everyone.

They're all still around though, just different names and they're basically all subscription email based. As long GW charges $116 USD for a plastic model, they'll never go away.

BULBASAUR fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Mar 1, 2015

TheArmorOfContempt
Nov 29, 2012

Did I ever tell you my favorite color was blue?

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

Got my first game of 7th ed. in today; first game in over two years.

Question:

Flyer gets crew stunned by a LR Vanquisher (I know) 18" right in front of it. Does it wreck next turn, or does crew stunned mean it has to go at least 18" but can go more?

Also:

Any good non-GW source for terrain?

By reading the rule, it seems like it would just move 18inches and therefor wreck for being to close to an enemy model. The whole thing about their base having to be 1 inch away from enemy models is kind of retarded TBH. It makes no sense to me, and a couple paragraphs below it talks about how ramming vehicles are automatically moved to be an inch away from flyer bases.

BlackIronHeart
Aug 2, 2004

The Oath Breaker's about to hit warphead nine Kaptain!
That WarDream drama was unreal. Nerds, man.

I can't imagine the recasters will ever go away, even if GW somehow burned all their own manufacturing to the ground and salted the (40K) earth tomorrow. Frankly, I'm really wondering how much this rumored 'Limited Edition Units' thing for Fantasy is going to increase their business.

panascope
Mar 26, 2005

Reddit is so loving weird about warhammer. Don't post the point value for a powerfist because we'll get C&Ds from GW, but hey here's a whole subforum for talking about knockoffs.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
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A powerfist costs 1/2 a Attack bike which is 5 dimes or 10 nickels.

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:


Any good non-GW source for terrain?

Mantic does Battlezones. Works a little better for skirmish level games but can make really claustrophobic city fight maps. Completely modular and can be built however you like. Miniature market has the full selection at 30% off.


Here's some examples of what you can build at the different price tiers;

http://manticblog.com/2013/05/22/whats-in-a-battlezone/

Macdeo Lurjtux fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Mar 1, 2015

Kaysette
Jan 5, 2009

~*Boston makes me*~
~*feel good*~

:wrongcity:

panascope posted:

Reddit is so loving weird

I only use /r/warhammer to find bad content for this thread.

DO IT TO IT
Mar 3, 2008

I know "mon" means man, but I don't think "Och" means anything.

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:


Any good non-GW source for terrain?

The gothic stuff from battlefield in a box is really nice and comes painted.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
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I like the terrain for Infinity actually , most of these sites use laser cutting.

Here's just like a list I had saved from this blog I found. The pictures that are underneath are a item from the website.

Antenociti Workshop – http://www.antenocitisworkshop.com/

Bandua Studios – https://www.banduawargames.com/es/
Battle Systems – http://www.battlesystems.co.uk/

BP Lasers – http://www.bplaser.com/

Brush4Hire – http://www.brush4hire.com/

Burn In Designs – http://www.burnindesigns.net/
This is actually meant to be used with a lighting kit so it illuminates your table

CNC Workshop – http://miniaturescenery.com/index.asp
This thing is just massive but I'm sure since it's modular can be made to work with 40k

Customeeple – http://www.customeeple.com/

Ironheart Artisans – http://ironheartartisans.com/

Laser Cut Card – http://www.lasercutcard.co.za/
Laughing Jack – http://www.laughingjack.de/en/news.html
Micro Art Studios http://www.microartstudio.com/
Plast Craft Games – http://www.plastcraftgames.com/en/
Right Arm Labs – http://rightarmlabs.blogspot.com/
Sarissa Precision – http://www.sarissa-precision.co.uk/
Shark Mounted Lasers – http://www.sharkmountedlasers.com/
Spartan Scenics – http://www.spartangames.co.uk/
Systema Gaming Scenery – http://www.systemagaming.com/

Terrakami Games – http://www.terrakami.com/
Underground Lazers – http://undergroundlasers.com/
Warmill – http://www.warmill.co.uk/

Warsenal – http://warsen.al/

Zen Terrain – http://www.zenterrain.com/

Hollismason fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Mar 1, 2015

Slimnoid
Sep 6, 2012

Does that mean I don't get the job?

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

Any good non-GW source for terrain?

Pegasus Hobbies has some good stuff. Their buildings are pretty big and are fairly modular with their own sets, so you could buy two or three and make a sprawling complex or one giant tower.

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!

panascope posted:

This would be cool if you had picked the one true team: God's Own Seattle Football Seahawks. :hawksin:

Yeah, I'm not looking forward to hearing this from literally every person I'll be playing with for however long the Seahawks are good. One of the downsides of living here I suppose.

Anyway, I'm glad some of you like the painting, sorry that some of you don't! For what it's worth, I don't like the base or tabard either, but I do like the color scheme vOv


LordAba posted:

Gale force 9 terrain is super sexy. Grey prepaint, SUPER solid, good value. Awesome.

Specifically look up Battlefield in a Box. Ruins and river pieces. Just make sure they get the right scale since they make Flames of War scale stuff as well.

Battlefield in a box ruins are indeed fantastic pieces of work. So far I've been content to leave them with the grey pre-painting, but I've seen some examples of additional work on them that were just stunning.

koreban
Apr 4, 2008

I guess we all learned that trying to get along is way better than p. . .player hatin'.
Fun Shoe

PeterWeller posted:

No joke, I love your group's little spats in this thread.

You should see it on turn 4 of a 4500 point game when we're a few beers in.

Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009

What a fascinatingly unusual cock. Now, allow me to show you my collection...

REAL MUSCLE MILK posted:

Of course pretty much everyone wants cheaper stuff. It's not about the money vs quality tradeoff, it's about morality.

Actually, it's about ethics in wargaming manufacturing.

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat

koreban posted:

You should see it on turn 4 of a 4500 point game when we're a few beers in.

Fact: our trash talking makes warhams 200% more fun

Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009

What a fascinatingly unusual cock. Now, allow me to show you my collection...

BULBASAUR posted:

Fact: our trash talking makes warhams 200% more fun

Sports scores make tournaments lame for this reason, for real.

panascope
Mar 26, 2005

If you don't play the Space Jam theme at the end of a win are you even playing Warhammer?

Safety Factor
Oct 31, 2009




Grimey Drawer
It's like y'all have never played 40k while blasting the soundtrack from Bloodsport.

TheChirurgeon
Aug 7, 2002

Remember how good you are
Taco Defender

Monoliths posted:

The Chirurgeon, is it alright if I use your badass map campaign ruleset as a basis for an escalation campaign? Gonna try it out on just 2 players, but it should work for however many. I'm thinking something a bit more like Necromunda, so instead of an actual map you'd own territories that do stuff and the missions could involve chances to attack them somehow.

While I'm at it, does anyone have experience running some kind of 2 player campaign with a couple of different armies on each side? I'm trying to come up with some matchup mechanic that isn't lame and predictable but also won't involve the same player's armies fighting each other.

Of course. I wouldn't have posted it if it weren't OK to use. Have fun!

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Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
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For those that did not actually know about it. There is actually a full length Heavy Metal Album by Bolt Thrower from 1989 in all it's 1989 glory entitled Realm of Chaos.It not terrible if uh.. you like that sort of music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uSM-ihNGHs

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