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mind the walrus posted:Here here. This really isn't a loving movie for everyone's enjoyment and despite how some of us are grieving we really aren't owed any pageantry by anyone. I just hope everyone is holding well enough. I'm honestly pretty torn up by this. I've been thinking about this, and especially thinking about it in relation to the recent passing of Robin Williams; another actor who I think we all agree reached iconic status, played an iconic character on television and created an iconic persona that came through so strong that "Robin Williams movie" is practically a mini-genre. But the thing is, you know, Robin Williams was not a happy man. He had serious substance abuse problems, and it never seemed like he had a happy home life, or was a happy person deep down. There was always a strong current of melancholy. But Leonard Nimoy, not to be too cliche, did in fact live a long and prosperous life, as per his catchphrase. He was a man who explored multiple disciplines and often excelled at them, he had a large and loving family, what seemed by all accounts a rich spiritual life. He sincerely seemed to do his own thing, and always had a certain hipness about him that was all his own. Nimoy died surrounded by friends and family, no doubt, and after a long and good life. To make a contrast, Robin Williams hanged himself with his own belt alone in a room.  I don't want to go off topic here, I just want to make the point that as sad as this is, it's more bittersweet than downright awful. I surprisingly don't feel too horrible about it, mostly because of what I was talking about - that Nimoy had a great life and contributed wonderful things and was by all accounts a genuinely friendly, happy, generous man who died naturally after a long life.
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Yeah. Williams' death upset me because of how much pain it revealed was behind the masks we wear. Nimoy's death upsets me because it's... well.. it's like when you watch a TV series and you don't want it to end but it has to end-- you know the end is near and you know there's nothing you can really do to extend the show, but you enjoyed it so much you still couldn't help but wish it would never end.
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Ok I've been fairly solid up until this point but this is what finally broke me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj8g4TnWLVw I don't know why I even give a poo poo sometimes, but holy gently caress I do.
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Mar 1, 2015 03:59
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The compilations and watching old Trek is cool and all, but for me what has really made me sad is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QxprD3Ii2M It's because I know Spock, I know Spock so well and Leonard's portrayal of that character. But in that interview, only a couple of years ago.. Leonard is not Spock and he is a very sick old man. He voice quavers, he talks too fast sometimes.. he's old and a shell of what he was. This is what age does to all of us. To see someone as kickass as Leonard like this is really what makes me feel like poo poo.
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Mar 1, 2015 04:39
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Tony Montana posted:It's because I know Spock, I know Spock so well and Leonard's portrayal of that character. But in that interview, only a couple of years ago.. Leonard is not Spock and he is a very sick old man. He voice quavers, he talks too fast sometimes.. he's old and a shell of what he was. This is what age does to all of us. It's like watching Mark Lenard's portrayal of the aging Sarek on TNG.
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Tony Montana posted:It's because I know Spock, I know Spock so well and Leonard's portrayal of that character. But in that interview, only a couple of years ago.. Leonard is not Spock and he is a very sick old man. He voice quavers, he talks too fast sometimes.. he's old and a shell of what he was. This is what age does to all of us. Man I dunno what you just watched, but that clip was Leonard being the man. He was sparkly, he was sharp... he was remembering names, dates, hell, dialogue from decades ago. If he was talking fast at times it was because he was conversing informally, not reading lines. I sure hope I'm that much in charge of my faculties when I'm that age. I sure don't remember Shatner's STII eulogy being anything like his impression of it though.  Almost the direct opposite, in fact—he barely moved his lips saying "....human". Because he was barely holding it in.
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Mar 1, 2015 05:16
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Confession: I have never seen a ST movie outside of First Contact and the reboots. So I'm going to immediately fix this and watch Wrath of Khan followed by The Search for Spock.
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e; ^^^ You're in for a treat man, WoK is a classic for a reason.Data Graham posted:Man I dunno what you just watched, but that clip was Leonard being the man. He was sparkly, he was sharp... he was remembering names, dates, hell, dialogue from decades ago. If he was talking fast at times it was because he was conversing informally, not reading lines. I sure hope I'm that much in charge of my faculties when I'm that age. Yeah, the man was assailed by age, but it's clear he's still in full control of his mental faculties. Some small mercies, at least, because he doesn't seem to have lost that even towards the end 
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Mar 1, 2015 06:04
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Chicken Doodle posted:Confession: I have never seen a ST movie outside of First Contact and the reboots. So I'm going to immediately fix this and watch Wrath of Khan followed by The Search for Spock. Then watch The Voyage Home, It's a nice bit of light hearted fun after two rather dark movies.
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Mar 1, 2015 06:11
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Chicken Doodle posted:Confession: I have never seen a ST movie outside of First Contact and the reboots. So I'm going to immediately fix this and watch Wrath of Khan followed by The Search for Spock. Enjoy! Here are some anecdotes from AintItCool. Excerpt: quote:I do want to leave off sharing an anecdote that I'm not sure even Mr. Nimoy was aware of. I was told a story once about the early days of the Star Trek reboot. Before they solidified the script Abrams and team knew that they needed a bridge from the last series to this one. They toyed with Spock, they toyed with Kirk and they even toyed with both together.
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Mar 1, 2015 06:18
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Chicken Doodle posted:Confession: I have never seen a ST movie outside of First Contact and the reboots. So I'm going to immediately fix this and watch Wrath of Khan followed by The Search for Spock. You might want to watch the Original Series episodes "Space Seed" first as that is Khan's first appearance which Wrath of Khan is a continuation of.
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Mar 1, 2015 06:57
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Which one of you did this? 
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Mar 1, 2015 07:06
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tastychicken posted:Which one of you did this? It's nice to take a pause from Spock grief to remember that all the first officers are wonderful people except Chakotay, and I think that's probably because he was a Captain first so he shouldn't even count.
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Mar 1, 2015 07:18
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Sanguinia posted:It's nice to take a pause from Spock grief to remember that all the first officers are wonderful people except Chakotay, and I think that's probably because he was a Captain first so he shouldn't even count. Janeway's original first officer was Tuvok, so it still counts.
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Mar 1, 2015 07:41
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KurdtLives posted:You might want to watch the Original Series episodes "Space Seed" first as that is Khan's first appearance which Wrath of Khan is a continuation of.  THE MONTH OF BEARD HAS BEGUN!! We've made it through the Bij, and now it's time to watch the best episodes! This week it's The Original Series and The Animated Series! The Original Series First Place: Balance of Terror  Second Place (tied): The Devil in the Dark  Second Place (tied): Space Seed  Second Place (tied): City on the Edge of Forever   The Animated Series First Place (tied): The Practical Joker   First Place (tied): Yesteryear   Next week: The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine!
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Mar 1, 2015 07:50
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KurdtLives posted:You might want to watch the Original Series episodes "Space Seed" first as that is Khan's first appearance which Wrath of Khan is a continuation of. Actually I found that it was perfectly fine in set-up. Didn't need to watch that first, it introduced the character very well. I noticed all the books, including Moby Dick! That said HOLY poo poo WoK IS AMAZING. I haven't watch TOS either, but drat it I adore Bones in this. I adore Karl Urban's interpretation as well but goddamn now I know how much JJ's movies ripped off the previous ones I don't think I can watch them again. SfS next. 
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Mar 1, 2015 07:56
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I loves me some bizarro Brandon Bird artwork:   http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=BIRD-PIZZABORG&Category_Code=BIRD
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Mar 1, 2015 08:02
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I figure I should start posting here, since over the past 6 months or so I've binged through all of DS9, about half of Voyager, and I've already seen most of TOS and TNG as a kid. I still refuse to believe the original cast are all hovering around 80 these days. Trek is such a part of our cultural consciousness, they don't seem like they should age like they do. Shatner doesn't look it, though. He still looks like he could hammer punch my rear end into the next quadrant.
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Mar 1, 2015 08:14
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thexerox123 posted:
It warms my cold-blooded Vulcan nature that Month of Bij/Beard is still ongoing, I have to say. It was asked forever ago, but #RikersBeard (on irc.synirc.net) is very much <u>a thing</u> if people want to communicate ideas on important issues in a more instantaneous fashion, like combadges, instead of spread out over hundreds of pages, like a lovely Voyager script.
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Low Desert Punk posted:I still refuse to believe the original cast are all hovering around 80 these days. Trek is such a part of our cultural consciousness, they don't seem like they should age like they do. To their credit, they've aged gracefully. None of them have gone too young either. It's really weird but I feel like Babylon 5 has lost more actors in 20 some-odd years than TOS has in 50.
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Chicken Doodle posted:Actually I found that it was perfectly fine in set-up. Didn't need to watch that first, it introduced the character very well. I noticed all the books, including Moby Dick! Wrath of Khan is front-runner in the competition for single best thing in all of Star Trek, so I don't know if it's the fairest measuring stick to judge Abrahms movies by. I also think that Into Darkness' reputation as being a ripoff of Khan is absurd, Nemesis and First Contact and several episodes are MUCH more ripoffs of WoK than ID. Darkness just happens to have one scene that is basically line-for-line a replication (which was intended to be incredibly obvious so I don't think it even counts, a ripoff has to be trying to get away with it) so every other little thing that's even close to similar gets conflated with that. If Kirk had just died inside the inner engine instead of crawling back out to talk to Spock I don't think anyone else would have noticed the things it supposedly "stole," other than the characters of Khan and Carol, which is like saying the first one stole the character of Spock from TAS's Yesteryear. Anyway, I hope you love SfS, I think it's pretty underrated. It should have been like an hour longer though, it's rushed climax is a pretty criminal disservice to all that happens.
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Delsaber posted:To their credit, they've aged gracefully. None of them have gone too young either. It's really weird but I feel like Babylon 5 has lost more actors in 20 some-odd years than TOS has in 50.
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I'm a couple days late. It's early Sunday morning by my time at this point, I was working the last couple days when the news hit. That big long post earlier pretty much said what I thought should be said, but I wanted to put my personal thoughts out there, even if nobody really reads it. When I was real little, TNG was in its 3rd or 4th season. I remember sitting down in front of the TV with my family and watching the intro credits roll, and that to me was Star Trek. It wasn't til I was in maybe 1st grade or so til I discovered the VHS tapes at my local public library of the Original Series. I even dressed up as Scotty for a book report on James Doohan's life, which is where I read about Doohan losing his right middle finger in the second World War. I watched drat near all of those tapes, though I had my favorites. Eventually, at a family friends' house, I found the TOS movies, and that opened another door for me. My oldest brother had a large collection of Star Trek books, most of which were 'expanded universe' novels, but one book he had was called 'I am Spock.' It was about Nimoy's life, and it came after another book he wrote called 'I am Not Spock,' where he was trying to distance himself from the character. I haven't ever had the opportunity to read that one, but I got the impression that he regretted penning it. 'I am Spock' was fascinating to me. I read it more than a few times. There were all sorts of anecdotes about life before Trek, the time between the series and the movies, details about the show and the movies, and the things that he brought from his own life to the character, and the things that the character brought to him. He stole the Vulcan salute from Hebrew tradition. He eschewed Roddenberry's attempt to capitalize on the IDIC philosophy when Roddenberry wanted to sell the necklaces that were seen on the show. Perhaps most telling of all, the Vulcan neck pinch was Nimoy's idea. In an early script, Spock was supposed to shoot an intruder from behind, and Nimoy took umbrage at such an idea. He spoke with some superior, and the neck pinch was born. I recognize that Leonard Nimoy was much more than the character of Spock. And yet, having read that book, I believe that Spock truly lived inside Nimoy's mind. Mr. Nimoy was one of those rare individuals who genuinely touched a great many people who look towards the future with hope. I don't know. I'm losing my focus here. I never knew him, and yet I miss him. And the other titans who have left us. Here's to ya, lads. edit: I cried an hour ago watching the end of Wrath of Khan, like I'm sure so many others did. Admiral Bosch fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Mar 1, 2015 |
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My parents are die hard Trekkies and I grew up on TOS and the movies. When I was little I got to meet George Takei and that was super exciting to me. Some reporters tailed my family into the parking lot afterwards because they wanted to know how a little kid in the 90s knew who Sulu was. TNG and DS9 are my favorite Treks today but TOS will always be special to me.
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Mister Adequate posted:Yeah, the man was assailed by age, but it's clear he's still in full control of his mental faculties. Some small mercies, at least, because he doesn't seem to have lost that even towards the end I work with a lot of the old and confused and Nimoy was on the better end of what can happen to one's mind when the end is near by a wide margin-- he knew who he was, where he was, and what he was doing even if he was far removed from his prime, and was still able to create cogent and thoughtful pieces of writing and verbage up until the very end.
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Chicken Doodle posted:Actually I found that it was perfectly fine in set-up. Didn't need to watch that first, it introduced the character very well. I noticed all the books, including Moby Dick! II-III-IV are the quintessential Trek for me. Even though I grew up with TNG, and think DS9 is the best series, those three movies more perfectly encompass Trek than perhaps anything else. Admiral Bosch posted:I recognize that Leonard Nimoy was much more than the character of Spock. And yet, having read that book, I believe that Spock truly lived inside Nimoy's mind. Pasco fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Mar 1, 2015 |
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Pasco posted:There's a great interview with Nimoy where he discusses how, many years after the fact, he's internalised Spock as almost the voice of his conscience. Leonard Nimoy was so much more than just Spock, but in the end Spock was very much a part of him. Just like Bruce Wayne and Batman!
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If any of you haven't read "I'm Not Spock" and "I am Spock" I highly recommend both. It's been more than a decade since I read the first, but I re-read "I am Spock" a bit more recently and Nimoy explains a lot of how Spock effected his life. He does it in a light hearted way where he sort of talks to himself, like Spock is this voice in his head. Speaking of books I just finished reading the last book on my to-read list and needed something to read next. I've had a copy of "A Tale of Two Cities" sitting on my desk at work for 5 years and figured now's a good a time to read it as any.
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I picked up I Am Spock at a thrift store a few months ago. It's now been bumped to the top of my reading queue.
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Does anyone know what Avery Brooks is up to? (By which I mean, what's the story?) I was looking at IMDB and was surprised to see he has done nothing substantial since DS9.
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As far as the whole "Shatner should show up", here's what David Gerrold posted on Facebook,David Gerrold posted:Worth repeating:
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Sad Rhino posted:Does anyone know what Avery Brooks is up to? (By which I mean, what's the story?) I was looking at IMDB and was surprised to see he has done nothing substantial since DS9. Did he go back to teaching theatre? I think he's a tenured professor, isn't he?
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Wheat Loaf posted:Did he go back to teaching theatre? I think he's a tenured professor, isn't he? I know he was doing some live theater in Baltimore a couple of years back.
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Regarding Shatner that makes sense but I feel so bad for a charity having to depend on him for money. I'd like to think we've advanced as a society
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I thought Avery Brooks was a dangerously insane jazz pianist that you couldn't look at in the eyes
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mllaneza posted:As far as the whole "Shatner should show up", here's what David Gerrold posted on Facebook, That's just a cover story quote:An arrest warrant has been issued for Star Trek actor William Shatner, who is reported to have stolen the space shuttle Enterprise. Crashbee fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Mar 1, 2015 |
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Crashbee posted:That's just a cover story http://newsthump.com/2015/02/28/william-shatner-steals-space-shuttle-to-search-for-reborn-leonard-nimoy/ Love this. My initial reaction to him not going to the funeral was thinking he was just making excuses like he does very often but I can see how (even besides the charity event) it would be hard for him to go for a variety of reasons. Emotions, let me tell you, they're not very logical are they?
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Sash! posted:I thought Avery Brooks was a dangerously insane jazz pianist that you couldn't look at in the eyes That's just his hobby.
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Apple Jax posted:Speaking of books I just finished reading the last book on my to-read list and needed something to read next. I've had a copy of "A Tale of Two Cities" sitting on my desk at work for 5 years and figured now's a good a time to read it as any. Once you're done with that, read Beowulf which is Harry Kim's favourite book. I recommend the Seamus Heaney translation. Edit: I forgot about this. Harry Kim as Beowulf. Just gently caress off. 
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Vagabundo posted:I recommend the Seamus Heaney translation. Sometimes I wonder if there's not some better translation waiting to be done, but it will never be finished because everyone just reads the Heaney translation.
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