Cricket 2012: Cricket has always been a game stuck in the past

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Butt Wizard: Nov 3, 2005; It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Airstream Driver posted:

The Australian team never said they'd stop bowling short balls at the body so wtf are you talking about?

E: I've changed my mind about this. But you can't poo poo on about the tragedy of how your mate died and how awful it is and then proceed to keep doing that to other people without coming across as dicks.

Especially when it happens to be the playmaker of your main rivals for a tournament and that you're almost certain to play again at a later stage.

Butt Wizard fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Mar 1, 2015

# ? Mar 1, 2015 08:42

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# ? May 22, 2024 11:25

Dysgenesis: Jul 12, 2012; HAVE AT THEE!

Mister Chief posted:

It's nice that the English posters get to wake up to more good news.

I like sleeping through England's terrible performances but I worry what I'll do when eight hours a day isn't enough.

# ? Mar 1, 2015 08:47

Smorgasbord: Jun 18, 2004; Our review identified changes needed to be made and, in Stephen, we have a coach who has a reputation for demanding the highest standards.

Butt Wizard posted:

E: I've changed my mind about this. But you can't poo poo on about the tragedy of how your mate died and how awful it is and then proceed to keep doing that to other people without coming across as dicks.

Especially when it happens to be the playmaker of your main rivals for a tournament and that you're almost certain to play again at a later stage.

No just stop

# ? Mar 1, 2015 08:50

You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

Butt Wizard posted:

E: I've changed my mind about this. But you can't poo poo on about the tragedy of how your mate died and how awful it is and then proceed to keep doing that to other people without coming across as dicks.

Especially when it happens to be the playmaker of your main rivals for a tournament and that you're almost certain to play again at a later stage.

The Australian team has never said "oh look we wont stop being a pack of bastards on the field". Seeing people (and some journalists) saying "Oh look Australia is being hypocritical" is getting a little old and boring.

God forbid how you would react to 70s-80s era West Indies bowling.

# ? Mar 1, 2015 08:51

tnimark: Dec 22, 2009

Butt Wizard posted:

E: I've changed my mind about this. But you can't poo poo on about the tragedy of how your mate died and how awful it is and then proceed to keep doing that to other people without coming across as dicks.

Pretty sure the sentiment from Australian players, fans etc was that the bowler did nothing wrong and it was just a freak accident. Your point would only make sense if somebody from Australia took a stand against bowling at the body in the wake of Hughes' death. Nobody did that.

# ? Mar 1, 2015 08:54

a real chump: Jul 30, 2003; noice; Nap Ghost

I loathe to trudge further into this, but I at least think its worth mentioning that in Australia at least, there was very little criticism of Sean Abbott or the tactics of short pitch bowling.
It was treated as a freak tragedy, one that shocked the cricket world and cause a lot of introspection , but very very little of it was aimed at short pitch bowling or "aggresive" cricket.

Most of that was what commentators and observers themselves read into it, for good or bad.

# ? Mar 1, 2015 08:56

serious gaylord: Sep 16, 2007; what.

Lets stop talking about Phil Hughes and how awful the aussie team are to people and instead lol at England.

loving hell Bell, 14 balls for 39 runs, then you decide you're going a bit too quick and take another 40 balls to score 13?

But more over, who the gently caress decided 16 balls at the end of an innings were only worth 3 runs?

# ? Mar 1, 2015 08:57

Mister Chief: Jun 6, 2011

serious gaylord posted:

Lets stop talking about Phil Hughes and how awful the aussie team are to people and instead lol at England.

loving hell Bell, 14 balls for 39 runs, then you decide you're going a bit too quick and take another 40 balls to score 13?

Did you not look at the bowling figures yet?

# ? Mar 1, 2015 08:58

serious gaylord: Sep 16, 2007; what.

Mister Chief posted:

Did you not look at the bowling figures yet?

The bowlings either brilliant or poo poo, no in between for England. The constant is the batting being utterly pedestrian. One of the commentators said its like England are one world cup behind in what they think they need and he was exactly right. Everything they do with the bat is old fashioned compared to all the other nations. When things go to poo poo they bring in more test players instead of the shorter form specialists and get really surprised when 300, a par score at the last world cup, is easily chased down at this one, where 350-400 is looking normal.

# ? Mar 1, 2015 08:59

Dysgenesis: Jul 12, 2012; HAVE AT THEE!

He's wrong in that England are at least ten years behind.

# ? Mar 1, 2015 09:02

Mister Chief: Jun 6, 2011

serious gaylord posted:

One of the commentators said its like England are one world cup behind in what they think they need and he was exactly right.

Peter Moores hasn't watched a game since he was sacked.

# ? Mar 1, 2015 09:03

a real chump: Jul 30, 2003; noice; Nap Ghost

I know Boycott is a curmudgeon and wife beater, but England really needs someone with the amount of passion he has running the show somewhere along the line.

I know he would just fill it with Lancashire wankers or whatever, but at least he cares.

# ? Mar 1, 2015 09:13

a real chump: Jul 30, 2003; noice; Nap Ghost

I don't think the bowling should get off that easily.

300 isn't par these days, but most teams would be able to take more than 1 wicket defending 200. They are dross. And the fielding was horrendous to boot.

# ? Mar 1, 2015 09:18

Dysgenesis: Jul 12, 2012; HAVE AT THEE!

-Spiffy- posted:

I know Boycott is a curmudgeon and wife beater, but England really needs someone with the amount of passion he has running the show somewhere along the line.

I know he would just fill it with Lancashire wankers or whatever, but at least he cares.

I assure you he wouldn't. Yorkshire wankers maybe.

# ? Mar 1, 2015 09:26

Centusin: Aug 5, 2009

England really need to find themselves a Glenn Maxwell

# ? Mar 1, 2015 09:26

Ratios and Tendency: Apr 23, 2010; MURALI

I don't think England are 'behind', their team is just total poo poo.

# ? Mar 1, 2015 09:27

Butt Wizard: Nov 3, 2005; It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Smorgasbord posted:

No just stop

Look England isn't currently playing, someone here has to be awful for the sake of consistency.

Point taken re: Aus - I just won't for a second believe that injuring McCullum was not the intention behind that ball.

# ? Mar 1, 2015 09:36

Thinking: Jan 22, 2009

serious gaylord posted:

The bowlings either brilliant

nah

# ? Mar 1, 2015 09:56

serious gaylord: Sep 16, 2007; what.

Its cool that you so readily admit to knowing nothing about cricket.

# ? Mar 1, 2015 10:16

Thinking: Jan 22, 2009

lmao

# ? Mar 1, 2015 10:20

EMC: Aug 17, 2004

All I am hearing is that England need Cook on the next plane out to Australia

# ? Mar 1, 2015 10:22

Knuc U Kinte: Aug 17, 2004

serious gaylord posted:

Its cool that you so readily admit to knowing nothing about cricket.

Gotta grasp on to something.

# ? Mar 1, 2015 10:23

tarbrush: Feb 7, 2011; ALL ABOARD THE SCOTLAND HYPE TRAIN!

CHOO CHOO

I gotta admit, I'm both surprised that England's shitheap of a middle order got us to 310 and that our bowlers couldn't even make the tiniest stab at defending it.

No matter what the pitch, 300+ is something you can bowl at, and the bowling is the settled experienced part of the side.

# ? Mar 1, 2015 10:34

Burn Down Canberra: Oct 27, 2005; GAME PLANS? We don't need no stinking game plans.

Butt Wizard posted:

Look England isn't currently playing, someone here has to be awful for the sake of consistency.

Point taken re: Aus - I just won't for a second believe that injuring McCullum was not the intention behind that ball.

Mitchell Johnson is practically the most friendly fast bowler in the world. I really don't think he wants to actually hurt the batsman. His short ball is a weapon because it's hard to play and it can put the batsman off.

There are mean fast bowlers who do relish in hitting the body. Johnson doesn't seem to be like that. He almost started weeping when he hit kohli at the Adelaide oval.

# ? Mar 1, 2015 10:51

Negligent: Aug 20, 2013; Its just lovely here this time of year.

He also isn't a right wing dickhead like Brett Lee and McGrath

# ? Mar 1, 2015 10:57

Drugs: Jul 16, 2010; I don't like people who take drugs. Customs agents, for example - Albert Einstein

Negligent posted:

He also isn't a right wing dickhead like Brett Lee and McGrath

what is the evidence for this?

# ? Mar 1, 2015 11:09

Burn Down Canberra: Oct 27, 2005; GAME PLANS? We don't need no stinking game plans.

With England there is a lot going on. It doesn't help that cricket is out of the reach of anyone without pay TV and English cricketers are almost exclusively from non state schools. There was a lot of good will towards the English side 10 years ago but they burnt it all up in record time by losing to Pakistan immediately after the 05 ashes and getting pumped by Australia in the return leg.

There are a couple of noted Australian cricketers who didn't come from state schools (like Watson) but very few in NSW. If anything (going to a fancy school) that hurts the development of players in NSW. Take Steve Smith had he gone to a private school he'd have just played against other private schools in the GPS comp. As he went to a public school he played against men from like 12.

Burn Down Canberra fucked around with this message at 11:20 on Mar 1, 2015

# ? Mar 1, 2015 11:18

Drugs: Jul 16, 2010; I don't like people who take drugs. Customs agents, for example - Albert Einstein

Some bloke on Cricinfo reckons that was the sixth catch Akmal has dropped in three WC games

# ? Mar 1, 2015 11:18

notaspy: Mar 22, 2009

Just posting to say - lol, England. Can't defend 300. Wtf. Drop the lost of them and start again, this goes double for the bowlers; we need proper one day specialist that aren't Jade Durnback.

# ? Mar 1, 2015 11:33

dusty: Nov 30, 2004

The english bowlers are awful. To a man.

lol

quote:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-cricket-world-cup-2015/content/story/841585.html
There was a telling moment in Lahiru Thirimanne's post-match press conference. Asked by a mischievous journalist whether Afghanistan's bowling attack was better than England's, Thirimanne paused to think before answering.

The pause in itself spoke volumes. The fact that he had to weigh-up the relative strengths of a side that has been an Associate member of the ICC for less than two years, against the nation that invented the game. The fact he had to weigh-up the strengths of a side containing players who learned the game in refugee camps, against a nation whose players are millionaires. A side which has been playing ODIs for less than six years, against a side whose board has decided that opportunities for such sides in future World Cups should be limited. His pause damned England as eloquently as his bat just had.

Eventually, with a cheeky smile, Thirimanne replied.

"To be honest, that day Afghanistan bowled really well," he said. "But there was a little bit for them in the wicket. Today it was easy for me, to be honest."

# ? Mar 1, 2015 11:47

a real chump: Jul 30, 2003; noice; Nap Ghost

Pakistan are about to win but gently caress me they are shithouse.

Also from that article above:

quote:

Insisting that England had, despite a mid-inning lull that brought 28 runs in 10 overs, scored about "25 above par" on this surface

28 runs in 10 overs is cool.

a real chump fucked around with this message at 12:37 on Mar 1, 2015

# ? Mar 1, 2015 12:34

Centusin: Aug 5, 2009

It's a good job tomorrow is a rest day with no games being played. Wouldn't want players to get exhausted from their one game a week.

# ? Mar 1, 2015 12:43

EvilElmo: May 10, 2009

So England have to win their remaining matches to make it in to the top 4.

I am praying for rain so much right now.

# ? Mar 1, 2015 13:00

Lionel Richie: Nov 14, 2004

England did nothing wrong.

# ? Mar 1, 2015 13:18

Mister Chief: Jun 6, 2011

Lionel Richie posted:

England did nothing wrong.

Yeah, it was very polite of them to not trouble to Sri Lankans at all. I assume the one wicket they took must have some sort of terrible misunderstanding.

# ? Mar 1, 2015 13:20

Airstream Driver: May 6, 2009

Drugs posted:

what is the evidence for this?

Brett Lee on twitter -

quote:

As soon as @TonyAbbottMHR took over Australia start winning in the cricket! A new era
5:54 PM - 24 Nov 2013

I don't know about McGrath other than he's a farm boy who wants to shoot large animals.

# ? Mar 1, 2015 15:52

goatface: Dec 5, 2007; I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.; Grimey Drawer

Man, I'm sad I didn't stay up for it. I could have had such a good rage at it.

# ? Mar 1, 2015 15:54

IceAgeComing: Jan 29, 2013; pretty fucking embarrassing to watch

cpaf posted:

Didn't see this posted in the last half dozen or so posts yet

Just gonna say this: if the proposed rules for the 2019 World Cup had been used for this one then Bangladesh would have been locked in and New Zealand would have had to have gone through the qualifier with Zimbabwe, Ireland and Afghanistan.

# ? Mar 1, 2015 16:06