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V. Illych L. posted:when de Gaulle wanted a french regiment to liberate Paris Eisenhower was like "ok but it has to be all white frenchmen" do you know what the vichy mayor would have done had an army of senegalese marched up to paris? "Sacre blu, ze nazis ver correct about zes negroe armies rampaging through europes. BLOW ZE MONUMENTS!" Vichy politicians are poo poo, Ike kicked rear end
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Cigar Aficionado posted:I'm reading Days of Fire right now ("even handed" summary of the W Bush Administration) and one of his biggest problems was it took him forever to figure out that his speeches weren't just heard by Americans, but by the entire world, which went a long way in alienating allies and inciting terrorists in the Middle East. He was so isolated and uncurious about the world that he just didn't get it that a cocky, swaggery speech that killed with "the base" maybe had the opposite effect when heard by people in France or Turkey or Afghanistan. As noted earlier, Walker cannot understand the difference between "here" and "Over there" and this makes him pretty run of the mill as far as Republican presidents go. Reagan was particularly bad at this, his folksy charm that swept America really didn't go far outside the united states, didn't help his brain was cream of wheat either. My Imaginary GF posted:do you know what the vichy mayor would have done had an army of senegalese marched up to paris? "Sacre blu, ze nazis ver correct about zes negroe armies rampaging through europes. BLOW ZE MONUMENTS!" As much as I like Ike his decision to only allow a all white french regiment to liberate Paris was because the liberation was entirely a formality and thus it was considered proper for only the absolute best to be on display (this is code for white people only).
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Mar 2, 2015 06:10
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My Imaginary GF posted:do you know what the vichy mayor would have done had an army of senegalese marched up to paris? "Sacre blu, ze nazis ver correct about zes negroe armies rampaging through europes. BLOW ZE MONUMENTS!" That'd be pretty hard for the mayor to say seeing as the position didn't even exist between 1870-1958.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:That'd be pretty hard for the mayor to say seeing as the position didn't even exist between 1870-1958. Also Paris wasn't part of Vichy France, the guys in charge of the city deciding which monuments to blow up were just straight up Nazis.
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Mar 2, 2015 06:27
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And the Nazi's weren't going to blow anything up regardless, steal a few paintings maybe but they saved the "blowing up priceless artifacts" for the Eastern Front.
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quote:To me I apply that to say, ‘If I were to run and if I were to win and be commander in chief, I believe that kind of leadership is what’s necessary to take on radical Islamic terrorism.’ ” -Walker The only leadership he can claim is keeping Republicans in line and flat out ignoring the thousands of people who walked to his place of work to get him to just possibly reconsider his policies. So I can only imagine his approach to Islamic terrorism would be to stick his fingers in his ears and go la-la-la. What I'm getting at is that every time I hear Walker talk about what a great leader he is it's physically revolting.
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Mar 2, 2015 06:46
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Yeah, Walker hasn't yet shown that he understands how to fight an enemy that is allowed to fight back.
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Mar 2, 2015 10:55
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Reagan was much dumber than Bush. Have you ever read his diaries? He had the mind of a child.
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Mar 2, 2015 11:36
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gradenko_2000 posted:What's John Bolton's background? How did he become a UN ambassador despite being, as far as I can tell, a bloodlusted warmonger? Bolton is a good part of the reason Obama got the Nobel peace prize. I am not joking. My Imaginary GF posted:do you know what the vichy mayor would have done had an army of senegalese marched up to paris? "Sacre blu, ze nazis ver correct about zes negroe armies rampaging through europes. BLOW ZE MONUMENTS!" i dont even know where to begin with this, you have crammed so many historical mistakes into these two lines
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Mar 2, 2015 12:26
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SedanChair posted:Reagan was much dumber than Bush. Have you ever read his diaries? He had the mind of a child. Children's minds develop as time progresses. 
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Mar 2, 2015 12:30
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Reagan got away with lying about serving in WW2. You don't need intelligence with balls that big.
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Mar 2, 2015 13:18
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FizFashizzle posted:Reagan got away with lying about serving in WW2. You don't really need to lie when you're incapable of distinguishing movies you watched from things you did
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Mar 2, 2015 15:04
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Good Citizen posted:You don't really need to lie when you're incapable of distinguishing movies you watched from things you did Senility is a hell of a drug.
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Mar 2, 2015 15:44
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Good Citizen posted:You don't really need to lie when you're incapable of distinguishing movies you watched from things you did Hey now, that's not fair. Reagan was actually IN some of those movies.
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Mar 2, 2015 15:45
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Lockback posted:Hey now, that's not fair. Reagan was actually IN some of those movies. I like to think he had a collection of movies featuring himself but eventually stopped recognizing his own face from a few decades prior and just liked watching them because of that charming young star actor.
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Mar 2, 2015 15:52
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The idea of Walker as president makes me feel vaguely suicidal.
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Mar 2, 2015 15:55
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Casimir Radon posted:The idea of Walker as president makes me feel vaguely suicidal. This is not something you ever have to worry about.
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Mar 2, 2015 16:06
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I'm not at all worried about Walker. Do people really think he's going to survive being shredded in the primary, and then again by Hillary? The dude is not a political or intellectual heavyweight, he just flips open his Big Book of Reagan Policies and chooses things to pursue at random, and he wins because WI is dumb. People are going to challenge him on why he actually supports things, and why he thinks his policies are good ideas in the primary and national election, and he's going to look like a slack-jawed idiot next to Bush III and Hillary.
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Mar 2, 2015 16:20
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This is Hillary's race to lose and that will be the case for the next 20 months.
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Mar 2, 2015 16:38
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:This is not something you ever have to worry about. After 2010 and 2014 I worry about it. Hillary's got a great shot at winning the election but Walker could choose Rick Scott as his VP and it would probably be competitive at this point. As much as I'd like to see the GOP receive another drubbing that's so bad they collapse into a soul-searching wing and a Southern redeemers wing, they have pretty obviously determined there is no soul in the GOP outside of sharper messaging on the Southerners spending their time on hot air with hawking the same stances to the same people. Getting hit by a landslide loss at this stage would just result in the same thing that happens when you compress an incandescent ball of hot gases - it just gets denser, whiter, and hotter.
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Mar 2, 2015 16:50
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FAUXTON posted:After 2010 and 2014 I worry about it. Hillary's got a great shot at winning the election but Walker could choose Rick Scott as his VP and it would probably be competitive at this point. As much as I'd like to see the GOP receive another drubbing that's so bad they collapse into a soul-searching wing and a Southern redeemers wing, they have pretty obviously determined there is no soul in the GOP outside of sharper messaging on the Southerners spending their time on hot air with hawking the same stances to the same people. The problem is that because of demographics, at some point the GOP is going to have to finally expel the conservative wing if they want to remain nationally relevant. It's just a matter of how soon it will happen, and how bloody it will be. It will also be super fun to watch.
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Mar 2, 2015 16:52
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baw posted:The problem is that because of demographics, at some point the GOP is going to have to finally expel the conservative wing if they want to remain nationally relevant. It's just a matter of how soon it will happen, and how bloody it will be. Wishful thinking in my opinion. They're probably going to tack libertarian as their oldest demographics die off, and there's a lot of bigoted college-age libertarians coming up to replace them.
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Mar 2, 2015 16:55
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They can't tack too far libertarian without alienating evangelicals, who aren't go away any time soon. I'm cautiously optimistic.
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Mar 2, 2015 16:56
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Look Hillary's going to win in 2016 and she'll either have a Congress that does nothing or a Congress that does nothing but pass poo poo she'll veto the gently caress out of. SCOTUS remains 5-4 neocon shitfuck as Ginsburg gets replaced after an absolute horrorshow of a nomination process while Scalia and Kennedy hang on.
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Mar 2, 2015 17:15
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FizFashizzle posted:Reagan got away with lying about serving in WW2. I did not know about Reagan war time service. He ought to be commended for being a part of the liberation of Auschwitz without ever leaving USA.
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Mar 2, 2015 17:17
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baw posted:The problem is that because of demographics, at some point the GOP is going to have to finally expel the conservative wing if they want to remain nationally relevant. It's just a matter of how soon it will happen, and how bloody it will be. Thanks for this post from november 7th, 2012.
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Mineaiki posted:I'm not at all worried about Walker. Do people really think he's going to survive being shredded in the primary, and then again by Hillary? The dude is not a political or intellectual heavyweight, he just flips open his Big Book of Reagan Policies and chooses things to pursue at random, and he wins because WI is dumb. People are going to challenge him on why he actually supports things, and why he thinks his policies are good ideas in the primary and national election, and he's going to look like a slack-jawed idiot next to Bush III and Hillary. EDIT: In incredibly vague terms of relation I looked up Jim Inhofe yesterday to determine how much longer I'm probably going to have to deal with his earthly existence. He's 80 so hopefully not much longer, feeling pretty good about that. I will say one nice thing about him, he looks about 20 years younger than he actually is. Casimir Radon fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Mar 2, 2015 |
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Mar 2, 2015 17:25
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FizFashizzle posted:Thanks for this post from november 7th, 2012. It's gotta happen someday goddamn it
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FizFashizzle posted:Thanks for this post from november 7th, 2012. I don't think anyone has said it would happen within a couple years. A lot of this hope is Texas shifting, which will still probably take a decade or two. The meantime demographic shifts don't exactly help republican's with a national election. Especially since their base can't shut up about just how much they hate those minorities.
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:I don't think anyone has said it would happen within a couple years. A lot of this hope is Texas shifting, which will still probably take a decade or two. The meantime demographic shifts don't exactly help republican's with a national election. Especially since their base can't shut up about just how much they hate those minorities. The Dems still need a compelling platform to turn out minorities to win, though; just relying on the GOP being horrifying wasn't good enough last year. Jerry Manderbilt fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Mar 2, 2015 |
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:I don't think anyone has said it would happen within a couple years. A lot of this hope is Texas shifting, which will still probably take a decade or two. The meantime demographic shifts don't exactly help republican's with a national election. Especially since their base can't shut up about just how much they hate those minorities. The GOP coalition has a lot of factions that really dislike each other and have widely disparate policy goals. They've held it together with racism and complete opposition to everything Obama does, but once he is off the stage they are likely to start eating each other. The right has cultivated enough hatred of Hillary that they may be able to hold it together for a while, but they can't afford to alienate 90% of women the way they have every other demographic this isn't white. The next few years will be turbulent for them, anyway.
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Casimir Radon posted:I always figured Hillary's chances were damaged by all the baggage that comes from being poo poo on by the right wing press for 25ish years. Jokes about her being a witch and whatnot are more or less pop culture at this point. Maybe I'm unreasonably afraid of a college dropout, and all around retard like Walker winning, but it's insane he's still governor of Wisconsin. I mean, we had an idiot GOP governor on the ticket a couple elections ago and it didn't pan out too well for her (in the election itself, at least).
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Mar 2, 2015 17:41
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Will we see any establishment republicans call Hillary a bitch or worse?
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Karnegal posted:I mean, we had an idiot GOP governor on the ticket a couple elections ago and it didn't pan out too well for her (in the election itself, at least). She also wasn't pushed into the national spotlight until the convention. If she had appeared on the national stage earlier then she wouldn't have gotten nearly as far as she did.
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Mar 2, 2015 17:43
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Neeksy posted:Even with that explanation, having protesters like that is not at all comparable to dealing with armed terrorists in terms of pressure. Well, sure. But the idea that all you need to do to defeat terrorists is stand up to them with tough rhetoric has been said and largely unchallenged for years. Walker found a particularly dumb way to suggest he'd be good at it, but it's right in line with pretending that "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" and a steely-eyed gaze is actually what got the wall down.
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Cythereal posted:Wishful thinking in my opinion. They're probably going to tack libertarian as their oldest demographics die off, and there's a lot of bigoted college-age libertarians coming up to replace them. Not enough of them.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Will we see any establishment republicans call Hillary a bitch or worse?
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the flip side of hillary having been constantly attacked for the last forever is that 1) it will be hard to come up with new attacks and 2) old attacks aren't actually going to to anything, being pretty much used up already she must be basically immune to negative campaigning at this point
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V. Illych L. posted:the flip side of hillary having been constantly attacked for the last forever is that 1) it will be hard to come up with new attacks and 2) old attacks aren't actually going to to anything, being pretty much used up already
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She's been on the national stage for almost 25 years at this point. My biggest concern is something random happening like the economy melting down or a major terrorist attack on US soil because it would take something of that magnitude to stop her from winning decisively.
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