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"It's cool, guys, he only used the mind control machines on her a little bit so he could have sex with her, then be born as her child and then have sex with her more." - An actual human writer, whose work was viewed and approved by other human beings before being published
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You guys are leaving out the best part, where the baby turns out to be the dude who impregnated her and they go off and live together in another dimension.
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Mar 3, 2015 04:22
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SynthOrange posted:Ms. Marvel undergoes a nine-month gestation period in the span of a few days e: muscles has already covered it!
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Mar 3, 2015 04:25
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It probably exists, but I honestly can't think of a more disgusting thing that's happened in main stream comics.
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Mar 3, 2015 04:41
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Travis343 posted:The Avengers are barely phased too, they're like "Oh poo poo you had a baby in what, a week? How cute! Let's knit it some onesies!" Oh like that would phase them. "You know, my brother gave birth to a horse once!"
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Mar 3, 2015 04:47
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Comics has a long thing of making pregnancy a horrifying event that brings doom or tragedy upon all involved. It hasn't gone away by any measure: look up Peter David's X-Factor comics for some much more recent examples. 
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Mar 3, 2015 06:17
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SynthOrange posted:Wait what's Avengers 200...
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Mar 3, 2015 06:34
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Comics has a long thing of making pregnancy a horrifying event that brings doom or tragedy upon all involved. It hasn't gone away by any measure: look up Peter David's X-Factor comics for some much more recent examples. It's it presented as a positive thing in Avengers 200 though (thus making it much worse, given the circumstances)?
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Mar 3, 2015 06:42
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Skwirl posted:It probably exists, but I honestly can't think of a more disgusting thing that's happened in main stream comics. The only thing that comes close is Worldwatch but as it had a circulation of maybe 43 copies it doesn't count as mainstream.
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Mar 3, 2015 06:57
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Skwirl posted:It probably exists, but I honestly can't think of a more disgusting thing that's happened in main stream comics. Didn't Countdown have Renee Montoya or Batwoman fighting a necromatic blastula comprised of aborted babies? Dead baby ball was pretty gross. And there's pretty much all of Crossed...
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Mar 3, 2015 08:30
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FilthyImp posted:Didn't Countdown have Renee Montoya or Batwoman fighting a necromatic blastula comprised of aborted babies? Crossed isn't mainstream, and I wasn't trying to make it a challenge. Edit: for further explanation, the reason it's the worst god damned thing in mainstream comics goes beyond the whole "marrying your own baby who is also a mind controlling space rapist," the problem is that no one in the comic thought that was bad as well. It's a hosed up situation that everyone in the comic treated as fine, it's the cosmic version of telling a rape victim she shouldn't have worn tight pants. Air Skwirl fucked around with this message at 08:50 on Mar 3, 2015 |
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Mar 3, 2015 08:42
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I kind of want to see a challenge.
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Mar 3, 2015 08:48
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Aphrodite posted:I kind of want to see a challenge. Well, the challenge is finding something in the big two that's more hosed up than having a member of your superhero team be raped by cosmic entity, give birth to that entity then marry that entity, and everyone on your superhero team be "Seems legit, they must be in love."
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Mar 3, 2015 08:53
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They later revealed/retconed that the mind controlling super alien was mind controlling the Avengers as well. Which works really well with how mind bogglingly dumb they were, "This baby seems to want to play with my welding equipment, that's just peachy keen!" SirDan3k fucked around with this message at 10:36 on Mar 3, 2015 |
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Mar 3, 2015 10:27
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Which came first, that issue of Avengers or that creepy episode of Star Trek TNG with almost the same plot?
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Mar 3, 2015 13:18
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Avengers, by the better part of a decade (although apparently that script had been floating around for a few years).
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Mar 3, 2015 13:22
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idonotlikepeas posted:"It's cool, guys, he only used the mind control machines on her a little bit so he could have sex with her, then be born as her child and then have sex with her more." - An actual human writer, whose work was viewed and approved by other human beings before being published The story behind Avengers #200 is fascinating and insane.
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Mar 3, 2015 15:01
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Unbelievably Fat Man posted:Technically it was Jim Shooter, who was editor in chief at the time, so he approved it himself and could threaten the livelihood of anyone who didn't want to work on it. Speaking of, what was the letter column like a few issues down the road? Was there an overly positive/negative response from readers right at the time? Here's Jim Shooter's take on it, but of course, mounds of salt.
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Mar 3, 2015 15:35
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redbackground posted:Here's Jim Shooter's take on it, but of course, mounds of salt. At least he has the decency to accept the ultimate blame as the guy who was in charge. I would like to hear more about how he got the co-plotter credit; did they just throw it around over stretches of comics, or was it carefully assigned issue-by-issue?
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Mar 3, 2015 15:44
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prefect posted:At least he has the decency to accept the ultimate blame as the guy who was in charge. I would like to hear more about how he got the co-plotter credit; did they just throw it around over stretches of comics, or was it carefully assigned issue-by-issue? Shooter had been scripting the Avengers comic on a regular issue-to-issue basis for a couple of years in the late 1970s; after he became editor-in-chief in 1978, he reduced his role to co-plotter and handed over most of the work to a succession of different scriptwriters (I think David Michelinie - whose name I believe is also on Avengers #200 - did quite a lot of work on Avengers around this time), but kept a fairly strong degree of top-down control pretty much up until 1983, when Roger Stern's run started. I'm never sure how to feel about Shooter. 
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Mar 3, 2015 15:59
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Skwirl posted:It probably exists, but I honestly can't think of a more disgusting thing that's happened in main stream comics. Didn't Scarlet Witch give birth to Multiple Man's kid, who was then absorbed back into MM as soon as he touched the kid? I'd say that's up there. In retrospect, that's probably not near "Magic Rape Space Baby" levels.
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Mar 3, 2015 19:35
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CzarChasm posted:Didn't Scarlet Witch give birth to Multiple Man's kid, who was then absorbed back into MM as soon as he touched the kid? I'd say that's up there. Think it was Siryn, not Scarlet Witch. Irish, not Eastern European.
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Mar 3, 2015 19:39
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CzarChasm posted:In retrospect, that's probably not near "Magic Rape Space Baby" levels. Yeah, that was presented as a horrifying, sad thing. Space rape baby was presented as an expression of true love.
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Mar 3, 2015 20:03
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Uthor posted:Claremont (CLAREMONT!) had her bitch out the Avengers (and Marvel) in an X-Men comic over the whole thing because he thought it was disgusting. He was absolutely right to do so, but it's kinda funny, because I was just reading the original Ms Marvel book from the 70s... and Claremont takes it over really early on, like #3. And something like 3 issues later, Carol's brainwashed into MODOK's obedient slave (because Claremont). When the dude whose 'thing' is ladies been mind controlled into being evil and sexy calls you out on being too creepy and rape-y, you've really crossed the line.
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Mar 3, 2015 20:13
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Skwirl posted:Well, the challenge is finding something in the big two that's more hosed up than having a member of your superhero team be raped by cosmic entity, give birth to that entity then marry that entity, and everyone on your superhero team be "Seems legit, they must be in love." It's even grosser because wasn't Ms. Marvel's thing how she was supposed to be this big feminist character?
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Mar 3, 2015 21:46
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Gavok posted:It's even grosser because wasn't Ms. Marvel's thing how she was supposed to be this big feminist character? She starts her solo book as the editor for Jameson's women's magazine, and Jonah's pissed off all the time because she wants to run articles on feminist issues, and not recipes and fashion spreads. So yes, that was kinda the idea.
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Mar 3, 2015 22:13
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Were there ever any prominent female writers back in the day, or were all the characters being written by men?
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Mar 3, 2015 23:05
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Madkal posted:Were there ever any prominent female writers back in the day, or were all the characters being written by men?
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Mar 3, 2015 23:14
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Madkal posted:Were there ever any prominent female writers back in the day, or were all the characters being written by men? Louise Simonson
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Mar 3, 2015 23:19
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bobkatt013 posted:Louise Simonson He meant to say "that weren't terrible. "
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redbackground posted:Jo Duffy and Ann Nocenti are the main two I can think of, for around that time. Mary Bierbaum, though she only ever worked on Legion of Superheroes and some Image stuff.
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Mar 4, 2015 15:06
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Rhyno posted:He meant to say "that weren't terrible. " "Sorry, due to your poor writing, you count as a man"
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Mar 4, 2015 19:33
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qntm posted:"Sorry, due to your poor writing, you count as a man" Huh. That might explain Gail Simons's burly knuckles.
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Mar 5, 2015 01:01
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Rhyno posted:Huh. That might explain Gail Simons's burly knuckles. Really dude? We're going to the 'I dislike this writer, so I must insult her appearance' well?
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Mar 5, 2015 01:09
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Gaz-L posted:Really dude? We're going to the 'I dislike this writer, so I must insult her appearance' well? I don't even know what her knuckles look like, Jesus Christ go white knight somewhere else.
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Mar 5, 2015 01:58
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Nah he is right that was a dumb as gently caress comment.
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Mar 5, 2015 02:07
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I'd have to respect Gail Simone or her work to really give a poo poo so there you go.
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Mar 5, 2015 02:09
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Goddammit Rhyno you ran the woman off of BSS like eight years ago, when will the feud end
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Mar 5, 2015 02:12
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Rhyno posted:I'd have to respect Gail Simone or her work to really give a poo poo so there you go. I shouldn't be surprised but I am. You really are the worst, jesus. for the record I don't give a flying gently caress what you think about her work or whatever.
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Rhyno posted:I'd have to respect Gail Simone or her work to really give a poo poo so there you go. Accusing a woman of looking like a man, joking or not, is bullshit regardless of who it is dude.
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