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Skywise turns every spell you have into a gods willing. Not bad at all.
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Mar 3, 2015 17:13
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Angry Grimace posted:The idea they're having is that the ability is super cool or splashy or whatever. But nobody will ever actually get it off because they priced it way too high and the ability itself isn't actually all that good. It's not priced too high for a Devotion deck, IMO. VVV Honestly they might ban it for being too close to Biorhythm, which is already banned in EDH.
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Mar 3, 2015 17:14
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Cards, even mythics, need to appeal to casual players as well - it's the reason we have mythics like Sage of Hours and Temporal Trespass. But I'd run that thing in mono-green EDH in a heartbeat.
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Mar 3, 2015 17:14
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bhsman posted:It's not priced too high for a Devotion deck, IMO. If you are getting to 11 devotion you almost assuredly would rather play something more impactful than a guy that gives you 1 devotion and does practically nothing else until you hit 11 and then when he does, doesn't necessarily win you the game. You're better off just Monstrousing a Polukranos for 11 and wiping their board and then attacking for more because Polukranos is actually a good card at all times.
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Mar 3, 2015 17:15
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More like Shaman of Forgotten Plays right guys?  Seriously that's some garbage. Remind me what this Limited format is going to be again.
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Mar 3, 2015 17:16
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Angry Grimace posted:If you are getting to 11 devotion you almost assuredly would rather play something more impactful than a guy that gives you 1 devotion and does practically nothing else until you hit 11 and then when he does, doesn't necessarily win you the game. 11 Devotion and/or any combination of decent Devotion, Xena-walker, having a second Nykthos in hand, etc. It's a nice 1 or 2-of in those decks since it helps you ramp into bigger stuff anyways and can block smaller creatures, and nothing more. Not sure why you feel so assured of using words like "never" with it. EDIT: quote:You're better off just Monstrousing a Polukranos for 11 and wiping their board and then attacking for more because Polukranos is actually a good card at all times. Exactly, which is why you would theorectically only run a singleton or two of the Shaman; it's a nice corner-case against matchups where your example isn't viable or unlikely, etc. bhsman fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Mar 3, 2015 |
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Mar 3, 2015 17:17
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mcmagic posted:But you need 8 mana... Yes. That's the sole issue with this gameplan.
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Mar 3, 2015 17:21
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bhsman posted:11 Devotion and/or any combination of decent Devotion, Xena-walker, having a second Nykthos in hand, etc. It's a nice 1 or 2-of in those decks since it helps you ramp into bigger stuff anyways and can block smaller creatures, and nothing more. Not sure why you feel so assured of using words like "never" with it. Except this guy costs 3 mana and a card. He isn't worth it for his abilities and stats. Bad card is bad. I say "never" because nobody who's actually trying to win as opposed to pull some Timmy poo poo would actually play this card. The situation you're describing is what we call "win-more." Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Mar 3, 2015 |
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Mar 3, 2015 17:21
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weekly font posted:Seriously that's some garbage. Remind me what this Limited format is going to be again. Which does beg the question of why they'd print another somberwald sage now, of course.
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Mar 3, 2015 17:22
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I don't think the shaman is that terrible.  I can't wait to see the first on-camera blowout with it and a mono-G devotion shell with some combo of the green siege, Hornet Queens/Pulokranos monstrous activations wiping the board, and shaman finisher.
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Mar 3, 2015 17:24
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Spiderdrake posted:Pretty sure you wanna crack DRAGON ACCELERATOR mythic in this format, actually. As first picks go the shaman is pretty amazing, pardoning the fact it can't pay megamorph costs. While he is a little slower a 2/3 rear end on a 3 mana card is far from irrelevant as elves and their ilk are wont to do. Also a 2/3 for 3 keeps the morphs off your butt in limited and being a DRAGON ACCELERATOR seems pretty amazing.
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Mar 3, 2015 17:24
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Kyrosiris posted:I don't think the shaman is that terrible. Because you'll need to win the game more after you have a hornet queen and a huge polukranos that just wiped their board...
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Mar 3, 2015 17:25
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Angry Grimace posted:Except this guy costs 3 mana and a card. He isn't worth it for his abilities and stats. Bad card is bad. Because the best time to make final judgments about a card are within the first 30 minutes of you being aware of its existence?  quote:I say "never" because nobody who's actually trying to win as opposed to pull some Timmy poo poo would actually play this card. The situation you're describing is what we call "win-more." Or a situation in which attacking with 8 power won't win you the game, and this guy would either kill an opponent or ensure that the ensuing combat would. Like I said, a corner case and worthy of maybe a 1 or 2-of. The rush to condemn it as unplayable seems misplaced.
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Mar 3, 2015 17:27
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Angry Grimace posted:Except this guy costs 3 mana and a card. He isn't worth it for his abilities and stats. Bad card is bad. If your entire deck is a creature ramp deck it's an accelerant that taps for 2. The last ability might as well not be there, but if a ramp deck that's almost all creatures happens to exist, this guy slots right in. He's not great or anything, but he's a 3 drop which taps for 2.
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Mar 3, 2015 17:27
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Zoness posted:Also a 2/3 for 3 keeps the morphs off your butt in limited. It's certainly fine in limited, there will probably be uncommons and commons you'd want to take over it, but I wouldn't be upset at all about having to play it. As for constructed, it's conceivable it sees fringe play for the ramp ability. The biorhythm effect is just flavor text.
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Mar 3, 2015 17:28
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bhsman posted:Because the best time to make final judgments about a card are within the first 30 minutes of you being aware of its existence? Dude, 99% of the time your first judgment is right. It doesn't have enough text to be that hard, man. Again, $10 to the charity of your choice if he gets into a game in a tournament on camera outside of limited (where you take him because he ramps). A green deck is not gonna run this over Courser basically ever. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Mar 3, 2015 |
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Mar 3, 2015 17:29
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I could not possibly be more ready for a new Command cycle.
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Mar 3, 2015 17:29
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It's a worse somberwald sage but with better stats and a second ability that only denies flavor text. Oh well.
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Mar 3, 2015 17:29
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I dunno I'd rather have Final Judgment than first judgment.
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Mar 3, 2015 17:29
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bhsman posted:Because the best time to make final judgments about a card are within the first 30 minutes of you being aware of its existence? In what deck do you want this over Courser, especially when Lightning Strike and Bile Blight are both very real considerations
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Mar 3, 2015 17:29
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:I could not possibly be more ready for a new Command cycle. I hope the other ones are better...
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Mar 3, 2015 17:31
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TheKingofSprings posted:In what deck do you want this over Courser, especially when Lightning Strike and Bile Blight are both very real considerations In a deck where Courser, Strike, and BB aren't in the format.
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Mar 3, 2015 17:31
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BU Dragon Control Beat Down incoming
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Mar 3, 2015 17:31
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AlternateNu posted:In a deck where Courser, Strike, and BB aren't in the format. So post Theros for the former and Never Ever for the latter two
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Mar 3, 2015 17:31
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im so freaking mad about edh cards!!!!!!!!!
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Mar 3, 2015 17:31
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A 3 drop 2/3 that taps for 2 of any color for creatures is perfectly fine. T1 mystic, t2 this guy, t3 storm breath/keranos/siege rhino with stubborn denial up or a leading thoughtseize? Sounds fine to me. Pretend the ferocious isn't there and then evaluate.
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Mar 3, 2015 17:32
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Elyv posted:If your entire deck is a creature ramp deck it's an accelerant that taps for 2. The last ability might as well not be there, but if a ramp deck that's almost all creatures happens to exist, this guy slots right in. He's not great or anything, but he's a 3 drop which taps for 2. There are 3 dorks in Standard that are all better though. Molybdenum posted:A 3 drop 2/3 that taps for 2 of any color for creatures is perfectly fine. T1 mystic, t2 this guy, t3 storm breath/keranos/siege rhino with stubborn denial up or a leading thoughtseize? Sounds fine to me. Caryatid doesn't die to things.
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Mar 3, 2015 17:33
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:im so freaking mad about edh cards!!!!!!!!! I just want some dope cube cards and I'm spoiled after Fate Reforged.
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Mar 3, 2015 17:33
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weekly font posted:I just want some dope modern/legacy cards
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Mar 3, 2015 17:34
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TheKingofSprings posted:So post Theros for the former and Never Ever for the latter two All of those cards are leaving standard at the same time. They might reprint Strike in Origins but Bile Blight will probably be gone for a while.
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Mar 3, 2015 17:35
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Cernunnos posted:All of those cards are leaving standard at the same time. Lightning Strike is probably going to be printed from now until they decide to reprint Lightning Bolt.
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Mar 3, 2015 17:35
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I like that Ojutai's Command's art is a take on Jeskai Ascendancy. The efreet are gone 
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Mar 3, 2015 17:36
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But Searing Spear > Lightning Strike 
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Mar 3, 2015 17:37
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Cernunnos posted:All of those cards are leaving standard at the same time. There will be some kind of 3 damage burn spell from here to kingdom come, and we will not be without a Bile Blight variant for long.
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Mar 3, 2015 17:38
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Angry Grimace posted:Dude, 99% of the time your first judgment is right. MTGSalvation.txt quote:It doesn't have enough text to be that hard, man. It has more than Elvish Mystic which you originally compared it to. quote:Again, $10 to the charity of your choice if he gets into a game on camera. My money's safe. You are, like, obsessed with proving this card you've only known about for an hour is bad. Admittedly I missed the bet offer (did you edit it in a previous post?), but I'm sure there are stipulations beyond "could technically appear on any streamed game of Constructed magic in any format, for all time?" TheKingofSprings posted:In what deck do you want this over Courser, especially when Lightning Strike and Bile Blight are both very real considerations Why are you assuming I would replace Courser with this? EDIT: I don't play the deck personally, but perhaps replace a single Mystic with this? A single Caryatid? I guess I'd just like to have that sort of discussion than an immediate "This card is bad and you should make a bet you're assured to lose if you say otherwise. " Like, what the gently caress is the point otherwise?
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Mar 3, 2015 17:39
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Angry Grimace posted:repost for new page: Elyv posted:
these will go great in my edh deck
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Mar 3, 2015 17:40
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NEW COMMAND CYCLE 
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Scrimsax posted:Cards, even mythics, need to appeal to casual players as well - it's the reason we have mythics like Sage of Hours and Temporal Trespass. Yeah I'm sure casual Timmy players don't play with Jace TMS or snapcaster or cryptic command because they're too powerful. We've had this discussion before and everyone does better if a card is a good, not just "spikes." Imagine if that cool green creature summoned a couple 5/5s with trample for the cost instead - or anything more useful than the garbage it does. Timmy's definitely gonna say no to that.
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Mar 3, 2015 17:40
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Starving Autist posted:It's certainly fine in limited, there will probably be uncommons and commons you'd want to take over it, but I wouldn't be upset at all about having to play it. I actually can't think of anything outside of a format-buster like pack rat that I'd take over this guy in limited. -Hugely relevant body -Single Color -Breaks the curve badly in a very curve-oriented, high-cost, high-power format -Comes down at the most critical point (lets you leapfrog the deadzone of t4 and go straight to t5/6 where all the gamebusters come online -Incidental ability for super weird fringe cases that won't happen Virtually any opening hand with this guy is a monster hand and he's mad easy to build around. He'll never rot in your hand like a 5play bomb and he isn't at all bad even if you have nothing immediate to ramp into. Glad he's mythic because limited would NOT be fun with him at another rarity. I Love You! fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Mar 3, 2015 |
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I Love You! posted:I actually can't think of anything outside of a format-buster like pack rat that I'd take over this guy in limited. Yeah I agree w/ this 100%. Even at rare the guy would show up too often.
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Mar 3, 2015 17:41
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