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kafziel: Nov 11, 2009

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# ? Mar 4, 2015 00:14

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# ? May 15, 2024 07:27

MikeJF: Dec 20, 2003

Preechr posted:

There's an explanation on the leaks page.

...huh.

# ? Mar 4, 2015 00:25

Coq au Nandos: Nov 7, 2006; I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.

I just can't believe how badly DR hosed up the game. It's staggering.

# ? Mar 4, 2015 00:26

GoatSeeGuy: Dec 26, 2003; What if Jerome Walton made me a champion?

Asimo posted:

Well, as noted, it's pretty inevitable. Cryptic made the biggest mistake they could possibly do: loving over the insane whales who dump thousands into their dumb game.

Well after everyone else got it, they were the only ones left.

It really is unbelievable how quickly the game has done a 180 turn to poo poo, it's kind of an achievement all unto itself.

# ? Mar 4, 2015 00:36

Tighclops: Jan 23, 2008; Unable to deal with it; Grimey Drawer

So how long before CBS notices and pulls the license?

# ? Mar 4, 2015 00:46

wdarkk: Oct 26, 2007; Friends: Protected
World: Saved
Crablettes: Eaten

So uh what other options are there in Space MMO town, assuming I don't want to fly a starfighter? Just EVE and Elite?

# ? Mar 4, 2015 00:47

Dootman: Jun 15, 2000; fishbulb

SW:TOR, I guess.

# ? Mar 4, 2015 01:00

wdarkk: Oct 26, 2007; Friends: Protected
World: Saved
Crablettes: Eaten

Dootman posted:

SW:TOR, I guess.

Doesn't the spaceship portion just have starfighters for piloting?

# ? Mar 4, 2015 01:01

Dootman: Jun 15, 2000; fishbulb

I don't know what the space portion is like yet since I'm only level 10. STO will literally be dead in a year, either because there's no one left playing it or CBS pulls the license. Gotta find something fill that space mmo fix, might as well do it with lightsabers.

# ? Mar 4, 2015 01:13

Berke Negri: Feb 15, 2012; Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao

Yeah, guess I dont have to worry about doing another anniversary grind.

# ? Mar 4, 2015 01:18

Tunicate: May 15, 2012

GoatSeeGuy posted:

Well after everyone else got it, they were the only ones left.

It really is unbelievable how quickly the game has done a 180 turn to poo poo, it's kind of an achievement all unto itself.

Authentic to the Voyager experience.

# ? Mar 4, 2015 01:18

Wizard of the Deep: Sep 25, 2005; Another productive workday

Preechr posted:

There's an explanation on the leaks page.

Damnit. It's like a reverse-Enterprise.

# ? Mar 4, 2015 01:24

Preechr: May 19, 2009; Proud member of the Pony-Brony Alliance for Obama as President

Wizard of the Deep posted:

Damnit. It's like a reverse-Enterprise.

We're basically in season 5 of Andromeda right now.

# ? Mar 4, 2015 01:28

Tunicate: May 15, 2012

Preechr posted:

We're basically in season 5 of Andromeda right now.

Andromeda? This is entering B5 territory.

# ? Mar 4, 2015 01:28

Coq au Nandos: Nov 7, 2006; I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.

The annoying thing is that the story and setting had been getting good as well. I'm only a couple of missions into the DR stuff but certainly the missions they put out between LOR and the Dyson arc were all fantastic, and the state of the universe with the three powers reaching an alliance and facing down against the Iconians was great. Then... More wasted potential, from what I've seen so far.

# ? Mar 4, 2015 01:28

Technical Analysis: Nov 21, 2007; I got 99 problems but the British ain't one.

SKY COQ posted:

More wasted potential, from what I've seen so far.

Like Voyager all over again.

# ? Mar 4, 2015 01:30

Dootman: Jun 15, 2000; fishbulb

Doesn't DR only have a couple of missions? All I remember about DR was just an endless stream of patrols. And Neelix making me run around his station doing stupid poo poo.

# ? Mar 4, 2015 01:31

Asimo: Sep 23, 2007

SKY COQ posted:

I just can't believe how badly DR hosed up the game. It's staggering.

GoatSeeGuy posted:

It really is unbelievable how quickly the game has done a 180 turn to poo poo, it's kind of an achievement all unto itself.

It's absolutely goddamn depressing. I've said it before, but I unironically think that STO was one of the best MMOs on the market before Delta Rising hit. It had a lot of issues with tutorials and QA and all, sure, but it was genuinely casual, there was no huge pressure to buy in (sure later ships were better, but you got all the inventory slots and such you needed as a F2P player and you could do fine with the freebie boat), and the PVE was... easy but even the dumbest pubbie could find something to do. There was no raids, no random drop bullshit, just flying around in silly uniforms and shooting lasers for fun. And the it was paying off! The game was growing and raking it in! But then Delta Rising and the things leading up to it hit, and the amount of player loving went through the roof.

Increased difficulty and hard failures in queues for no goddamn reason beyond dumb fucker grognard developers.
Addition of an open-ended unthrottled advancement system, then banning people for doing the logical thing and grinding it ASAP through the fastest available means.
The addition of the upgrade system and all its RNG bullshit, cash sink glory.
The increase in the price of c-store ships to $30.
The addition of yet another paid ship upgrade token (on top of the fleet modules you already got)
The multiple unnecessary nerfs to XP game, making the leveling process a tedious slog.

... and on and on, I'm sure there's more I'm forgetting. :psyduck:

People who weren't already spacerich were hit with this double whammy of unfun tedious bullshit content and sudden massive cash sinks, and everyone I know who played the game basically quit the week after the expansion released. It's astounding, especially when you compare it to the huge boom in population after the last, not hosed up expansion. About the only regressive grog bullshit they didn't add was putting random drops back into queues, and you could argue they captured the essence of that with the upgrade RNG stuff. Except somehow even worse because it could be fueled by cash money.

Whoever's in charge of the game right now needs to be drug out into the parking lot and shot.

Tighclops posted:

So how long before CBS notices and pulls the license?

Dootman posted:

I don't know what the space portion is like yet since I'm only level 10. STO will literally be dead in a year, either because there's no one left playing it or CBS pulls the license. Gotta find something fill that space mmo fix, might as well do it with lightsabers.

Fielding the question seriously: the only people who know are Cryptic. The license is likely in longish increments (my guess would be two or five year segments) and they've probably had it renewed one or more times already. Getting it renewed again would probably depend a lot on whether anyone else is actively seeking it, just how far into the toilet the sales have fallen, and other factors. I can see the game limping along for another year or three at least, but there's really no way to tell without knowing the arrangements; we could get a shutdown notice tomorrow. :shrug:

# ? Mar 4, 2015 01:33

Dootman: Jun 15, 2000; fishbulb

Asimo posted:

Fielding the question seriously: the only people who know are Cryptic. The license is likely in longish increments (my guess would be two or five year segments) and they've probably had it renewed one or more times already. Getting it renewed again would probably depend a lot on whether anyone else is actively seeking it, just how far into the toilet the sales have fallen, and other factors. I can see the game limping along for another year or three at least, but there's really no way to tell without knowing the arrangements; we could get a shutdown notice tomorrow.

I'm sure CBS has a clause in the license agreement that lets them back out. They've already yanked the license for this game from somebody else before they gave it to Cryptic.

# ? Mar 4, 2015 01:38

Coq au Nandos: Nov 7, 2006; I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.

Asimo posted:

It's absolutely goddamn depressing. I've said it before, but I unironically think that STO was one of the best MMOs on the market before Delta Rising hit. It had a lot of issues with tutorials and QA and all, sure, but it was genuinely casual, there was no huge pressure to buy in (sure later ships were better, but you got all the inventory slots and such you needed as a F2P player and you could do fine with the freebie boat), and the PVE was... easy but even the dumbest pubbie could find something to do. There was no raids, no random drop bullshit, just flying around in silly uniforms and shooting lasers for fun. And the it was paying off! The game was growing and raking it in! But then Delta Rising and the things leading up to it hit, and the amount of player loving went through the roof.

Increased difficulty and hard failures in queues for no goddamn reason beyond dumb fucker grognard developers.

Addition of an open-ended unthrottled advancement system, then banning people for doing the logical thing and grinding it ASAP through the fastest available means.

The addition of the upgrade system and all its RNG bullshit, cash sink glory.

The increase in the price of c-store ships to $30.

The addition of yet another paid ship upgrade token (on top of the fleet modules you already got)

The multiple unnecessary nerfs to XP game, making the leveling process a tedious slog.

... and on and on, I'm sure there's more I'm forgetting. People who weren't already spacerich were hit with this double whammy of unfun tedious bullshit content and sudden massive cash sinks, and everyone I know who played the game basically quit the week after the expansion released. It's astounding, especially when you compare it to the huge boom in population after the last, not hosed up expansion. About the only regressive grog bullshit they didn't add was putting random drops back into queues, and you could argue they captured the essence of that with the upgrade RNG stuff. Except somehow even worse because it could be fueled by cash money.

Whoever's in charge of the game right now needs to be drug out into the parking lot and shot.

Fielding the question seriously: the only people who know are Cryptic. The license is likely in longish increments (my guess would be two or five year segments) and they've probably had it renewed one or more times already. Getting it renewed again would probably depend a lot on whether anyone else is actively seeking it, just how far into the toilet the sales have fallen, and other factors. I can see the game limping along for another year or three at least, but there's really no way to tell without knowing the arrangements; we could get a shutdown notice tomorrow.

I wonder if the game would be better served by s different developer picking up the concept and setting it on the JJ era.

Edit: I'd also have loved to see the story adapted to a single-player console game. Mass Effect ground combat coupled with addictive space shooting and a Diablo-esque gear progression system would be great.

Coq au Nandos fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Mar 4, 2015

# ? Mar 4, 2015 01:48

Tunicate: May 15, 2012

quote:

About the only regressive grog bullshit they didn't add was putting random drops back into queues, and you could argue they captured the essence of that with the upgrade RNG stuff

How many dentariums do you get from undine ground?

# ? Mar 4, 2015 01:51

GoatSeeGuy: Dec 26, 2003; What if Jerome Walton made me a champion?

SKY COQ posted:

I wonder if the game would be better served by s different developer picking up the concept and setting it on the JJ era.

Wouldn't that require Paramount to get in on the action as well since the movie rights are theirs? If the 3rd JJ movie is an improvement on the last STO may be the last time we ever see the original ST universe aside from Netflix.

Hopefully PWE looks at the numbers and the responsible parties get Old Yellered before the game tanks that far, a lot of us already walked away once after launch due to the flaming lack of any sort of endgame, it's not like the game is unfixable- they just need a new direction asap.

# ? Mar 4, 2015 01:59

Cyberball 2072: Feb 17, 2014; by Lowtax

Tunicate posted:

How many dentariums do you get from undine ground?

Yea, I'm not even sure where delta rep power cells come from aside from rep boxes for filling the projects.

# ? Mar 4, 2015 02:03

Asimo: Sep 23, 2007

Yeah. A lot of us probably forget how things look to most people playing since we're used to knowing all the tricks to a good build, to make credits en masse, and so on, but if you're not in that permission it's just a massive wall. You probably don't have the damage to kill the inflated enemy HP quickly, you're going into queues and failing half the time (or more likely, looking at queue pops, going in once or twice and then never trying again), you're looking at the new ships and their higher price tags or looking at your favorite old ones and yet another upgrade surcharge, you've got the tedious grind to 60 and the even more tedious specialization grind afterwards, that and the huge upgrade costs that make it near impossible to play alts...

I mean every last person I know who played this game who wasn't a space rich goon has long since quit and probably never coming back without massive changes. It's pure anecdote, I know, but from the look of things it's hardly a unique one.

# ? Mar 4, 2015 02:06

RescueFreak: Sep 8, 2013

SKY COQ posted:

I wonder if the game would be better served by s different developer picking up the concept and setting it on the JJ era.

Edit: I'd also have loved to see the story adapted to a single-player console game. Mass Effect ground combat coupled with addictive space shooting and a Diablo-esque gear progression system would be great.

Not sure if trolling...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_%282013_video_game%29

# ? Mar 4, 2015 02:32

MikeJF: Dec 20, 2003

RescueFreak posted:

Not sure if trolling...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_%282013_video_game%29

I assume he meant 'one that isn't infamously poo poo'.

# ? Mar 4, 2015 02:39

Jethro_E7: Dec 11, 2014

Asimo posted:

... to make credits en masse,...

I could use some information - I have 500 zen coming in a month with the lifetime account (which I got cheap), and am trying to work out the best way to cash up on zen without dropping anything further into the game.

I'm currently manipulating the doff system and listing good ones on the exchange (I usually am better off), is working the dilithium exchange viable? (dropping in a bit, selling high, buying low)?

Also how to cash up on EC's. What's the best way?

The random upgrade system has got to go. But I have a funny feeling "working as intended" is all we will get.

# ? Mar 4, 2015 02:39

Coq au Nandos: Nov 7, 2006; I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.

While we're throwing ideas at the wall, scrapping the item upgrade system and just allowing items (and ships?) to level up would be a huge goodwill gesture.

# ? Mar 4, 2015 02:50

Tunicate: May 15, 2012

SKY COQ posted:

While we're throwing ideas at the wall, scrapping the item upgrade system and just allowing items (and ships?) to level up would be a huge goodwill gesture.

Don't scrap it, just have equipped items gain 1 tech point per spec point.

Also fix spec points

# ? Mar 4, 2015 02:55

Berke Negri: Feb 15, 2012; Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao

Tunicate posted:

Don't scrap it, just have equipped items gain 1 tech point per spec point.

Also fix spec points

Just make exp advance as fast as it does 1-50 (it arbitralily reduces dramatically whatever you do once you hit fifty) get rid of the ship upgrade modules by making all T5 ships automatically T5U and reimburse everyone with fleet modules per ships upgraded.

Edit: oh also make some new actually good end game repeatable content

# ? Mar 4, 2015 03:04

Asimo: Sep 23, 2007

Berke Negri posted:

Edit: oh also make some new actually good end game repeatable content

Unfucking the old queues would be a good start, hell.

# ? Mar 4, 2015 03:06

MikeJF: Dec 20, 2003

Nah, keep the item upgrade system, just make it so that a single upgrade upgrades an item fully.

Also keep ship upgrades but cut the price and have them upgrade a proper tier. And let you upgrade any ship. So you can upgrade any ship from any level to T6 if you want to spend enough upgrades.

Asimo posted:

Unfucking the old queues would be a good start, hell.

Unfucking the old queues would increase the endgame content of this thing by like ten times, it'd be an amazing effort::result ratio for the devs.

# ? Mar 4, 2015 03:07

Tunicate: May 15, 2012

Actually, I'll hold off on declaring 'game dead' just yet.

They still haven't put in playable borg ships.

Oh hey, a new C-lister hired to VA

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1391801

Liam McIntyre is really what this game needs to turn around!

quote:

How this came about was very simple (and fortunate!):

The voice director we work with, Lani Minella, contacted us and said Liam was interested in working on STO. We said "Sure thing! Here is a part that would work for him." (Well, not exactly those words, but you get the drift.)

He was awesome, and I hope we have him back again soon.

Tunicate fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Mar 4, 2015

# ? Mar 4, 2015 03:26

Valatar: Sep 26, 2011; A remarkable example of a pathetic species.; Lipstick Apathy

The rant threads about the bugship are being locked left and right in the STO forums, no replies from anyone on the development team. I am certain that everyone is just shocked by this unexpected twist!

# ? Mar 4, 2015 03:32

MikeJF: Dec 20, 2003

Tunicate posted:

Actually, I'll hold off on declaring 'game dead' just yet.

They still haven't put in playable borg ships.

The Cooperative was obviously inserted for borg ship lockboxes.

# ? Mar 4, 2015 03:33

Mormon Star Wars: Aug 13, 2005; It's a minotaur race...

Man, seeing this game enter a death spiral is so sad. Legacy of Romulus was legit one of my favorite MMO expansions.

# ? Mar 4, 2015 03:34

Animal-Mother: Feb 14, 2012; RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT

Preechr posted:

There's an explanation on the leaks page.

SKY COQ posted:

Jeeeeeeeeeesus

wdarkk posted:

Fuuuuuuuuuck.

Well? What the hell was it?

# ? Mar 4, 2015 03:43

super sweet best pal: Nov 18, 2009

Animal-Mother posted:

Well? What the hell was it?

The inmates are running the asylum.

# ? Mar 4, 2015 03:56

Coq au Nandos: Nov 7, 2006; I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.

Mormon Star Wars posted:

Man, seeing this game enter a death spiral is so sad. Legacy of Romulus was legit one of my favorite MMO expansions.

There's just nothing like it, either. gently caress.

# ? Mar 4, 2015 03:58

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# ? May 15, 2024 07:27

DonDoodles: Aug 18, 2010; by general anime

Actually, to be honest, Cryptic is probably super relieved about the Dental celebrations on Vulcan; they took some heat off the Devs, if only for a short while.

While the T6 bugship threads are being locked left and right, the mods are allowing the "loving troll" threads to remain open for days before closing them, even if half the posts -- well, all, really -- are loaded with flaming, trolling, naming and shaming, etc.

The current thread raging over Zombie/Ghost Spock is already approaching 8 pages, while several "gently caress cryptic" threads have been locked and removed. They have to know that the troll thread exists, that it's specifically calling out Dental, but as long as rage is being directed elsewhere, no problem.

Here's the thread, by the way: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1391601

The OP is the same guy who created the bugship whine thread. He's created at least four complaint threads in the last few hours alone, but I think at least one was quietly deleted.

# ? Mar 4, 2015 03:59

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