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Man I can't wait for the campaigns to begin in earnest. Both parties running primaries is going to be a gift.
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Hasters posted:The FISA courts are almost 40 years old and are within Congresses power to create, if you don't want congress creating Federal Courts your solution is to amend Article 3. No the solution is to appeal to the Supreme Court based on the constitutional merits of the case oh wait it's impossible to prove damages because it's a super big secret guess it's within Congress's powers for the government to do whatever with respect to Article 4 Hasters posted:Just because you disagree with the laws Congress passes doesn't mean you get to break the law consequence free. I guess it's a good thing the rule of law is so strong and evenly applied in the United States, the goon posted as a concomitant discussion occurred regarding a former Secretary of State and powerful politician curating which official emails they send gets put into the public record despite that being the law with no one suggesting any serious consequences for a violation of federal law
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Combed Thunderclap posted:No the solution is to appeal to the Supreme Court based on the constitutional merits of the case oh wait it's impossible to prove damages because it's a super big secret guess it's within Congress's powers for the government to do whatever with respect to Article 4 Do you mean Amendment 4? quote:I guess it's a good thing the rule of law is so strong and evenly applied in the United States, the goon posted as a concomitant discussion occurred regarding a former Secretary of State and powerful politician curating which official emails they send gets put into the public record despite that being the law with no one suggesting any serious consequences for a violation of federal law That has yet to be determined, as long as she can produce the emails, or reasonably explain why she can't the law hasn't been broken.
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Mar 4, 2015 01:38
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Hasters posted:Do you mean Amendment 4? Yes it was, thanks for the correction! quote:That has yet to be determined, as long as she can produce the emails, or reasonably explain why she can't the law hasn't been broken. The regulation is clear that records should always be stored on the agency system. "All's well that ends well" and other reasonable explanations determining whether or not a law has been broken aren't necessarily good indicators of a strong rule of law either.
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Combed Thunderclap posted:The regulation is clear that records should always be stored on the agency system. "All's well that ends well" and other reasonable explanations determining whether or not a law has been broken aren't necessarily good indicators of a strong rule of law either. Not necessarily, also State has administrative subpoena power, if they really thought something was missing they could go to the e-mail provider and get it.
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Combed Thunderclap posted:The regulation is clear that records should always be stored on the agency system. "All's well that ends well" and other reasonable explanations determining whether or not a law has been broken aren't necessarily good indicators of a strong rule of law either. How is it that she can selectively pick what emails to turn over?
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Mar 4, 2015 01:51
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Nonsense posted:She's like you or I using a gmail! At least she's not like [AOL joke + GOP] Please donate to Hitlary for Progress 2016! Secretary Clinton, why won't you release the records requested by the House Committee? Isn't exactly waved off by "lol aol" or "I just kept using my blackberry"
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Mar 4, 2015 01:53
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Alabama's Supreme court orders halt to same sex marriage licenses. Because Alabama. From the 144 page order quote:Every day, more and more purported "marriage licenses" are being issued to same-sex couples by some of the probate judges in this State. Every day, the recipients of those licenses and others with whom they interact may be, and presumably are, relying upon the validity of those licenses in their personal and business affairs. Every probate judge in this State, regardless of his or her own stance on the issuance of such licenses, will soon enough be faced, in his or her judicial capacity, with a universe of novel derivative questions unprecedented in their multiplicity, scope, and urgency. The circuit courts of this State will confront a similar experience... I like how they put marriage licenses in quotes just to be extra dicks.
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Mar 4, 2015 01:55
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Trabisnikof posted:Am I the only one seriously worried that emailgate will derail the Clinton campaign? Remember the Romney email scandal of 2011?
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Mar 4, 2015 02:02
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Joementum posted:Remember the Romney email scandal of 2011? I don't remember the House committee investigating it.
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Combed Thunderclap posted:The regulation is clear that records should always be stored on the agency system. "All's well that ends well" and other reasonable explanations determining whether or not a law has been broken aren't necessarily good indicators of a strong rule of law either. Actually that is probably not true, the Federal Records Act didn't require that till an executive order signed in 2014 made that so http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/03/hillary-email-scandal-not-so-fast.html As a former DoD contractor we all had a .GOV email address but no one used them because they were a hassle unless you were a ~true~ federal employee. Also as long as other rules for classified info was followed there would be no way for there to be a leak because classified data isn't stored on the internet but a very large intranet called SIPRnet. Also, speaking of making contractors lives miserable, after the Manning leak poo poo got real annoying for us.
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Mar 4, 2015 02:10
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Quote of the day, Heres what Im thinking in interest of saving face. ~ Nancy Pelosi's first words to John Boehner on a phone call last Friday night.
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Mar 4, 2015 02:13
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Quote of the night, Did you see Nancy Pelosi on the floor. Complete disgust. If you can get through all the surgeries, theres disgust. ~ Lindsey Graham.
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Mar 4, 2015 02:24
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Trabisnikof posted:Am I the only one seriously worried that emailgate will derail the Clinton campaign? It won't but say hello to fox news' newest cudgel to hit her with.
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Mar 4, 2015 02:54
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Joementum posted:Quote of the night, Did you see Nancy Pelosi on the floor. Complete disgust. If you can get through all the surgeries, theres disgust. ~ Lindsey Graham. *in jon stewert falsetto voice* Why I do declare!
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Mar 4, 2015 02:55
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So in the wake of right to work in Wisconsin, Minnesota's House Business Committee is helping businesses who don't like RTW relocate to Minnesota.
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Mar 4, 2015 03:08
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"Oh dad, I'm so sorry...."
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Mar 4, 2015 03:28
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Oh hey it's the exact look he'll have on his face when he wraps up his losing candidacy.
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Mar 4, 2015 03:36
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Pat Boone studied Leviticus, and apparently also Chuck Johnson's Twitter feed, on the way to Bibi's speech.quote:Back toward the reception, guests were figuring out when or whether they could enter. Pat Boone, the evangelical Christian singer, stood to the side of a rope line clad in a bright blue blazer and a blue tie emblazoned with tiny Israeli flags. Hed hoped to be recognized by NetanyahuIve known him for yearsas an evangelical friend of Israel, but the prime minister wasnt moved to do so. That wasnt a problem.
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Mar 4, 2015 03:52
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Oh hey it's the exact look he'll have on his face when he wraps up his losing candidacy.
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Joementum posted:Quote of the night, Did you see Nancy Pelosi on the floor. Complete disgust. If you can get through all the surgeries, theres disgust. ~ Lindsey Graham. Jesus. Was he waving a pinky finger in the air at the time? Both pinky's?
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Mar 4, 2015 03:55
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Joementum posted:Pat Boone studied Leviticus, and apparently also Chuck Johnson's Twitter feed, on the way to Bibi's speech. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JntLaT-MAt4
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Joementum posted:"Oh dad, I'm so sorry...." Don't think this little transgression went unnoticed! http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/414746/unenthused-rand-paul-lifelessly-applauds-netanyahu-speech-brendan-bordelon Demands for fealty to Dear Leader, aside, anyone know what "HIS HATE IS AS horeass" means?
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Mar 4, 2015 04:08
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Fried Chicken posted:Alabama's Supreme court orders halt to same sex marriage licenses. Because Alabama. So am I misunderstanding this, or is the State of Alabama once again openly defying the Federal government on a Civil Rights matter? At what point are federal agents dispatched to enforce SCOTUS's order?  Ah well I guess my cartoon's relevant again, at least. :P
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Mar 4, 2015 04:11
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I hope all of you are looking forward to Ben "Veterans dying is a Gift from God" Carson's presidential run http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/11/15/top-10-quotes-that-prove-neurosurgeon-ben-carson-doesnt-have-the-brain-to-be-president/ quote:5. I think whats happening with the veterans is a gift from God to show us what happens when you take layers and layers of bureaucracy and place them between the patients and the health care provider. And if we cant get it right, with the relatively small number of veterans, how in the world are you going to do it with the entire population? personally I just can't wait.
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Mar 4, 2015 04:46
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:So in the wake of right to work in Wisconsin, Minnesota's House Business Committee is helping businesses who don't like RTW relocate to Minnesota. As a Wisconsinite: please, MN, continue to troll the poo poo out of every one of our rear end in a top hat policy updates.
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Mar 4, 2015 04:48
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eat the midwest, Minnesota! there is a Star in the North!
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Mar 4, 2015 04:49
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Hasters posted:Yeah I don't get the Snowden love in this thread; he stole top secret documents regarding legal survellience programs and passed them on to a journalist, who by the way should also be in prison. Yeah let's just start jailing journalists. That's always gone over well.
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PupsOfWar posted:eat the midwest, Minnesota! I'd be fine with the Minnesota absorbing the Midwest into one cool, liberal state.
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Pascallion posted:And MN previously encouraged WI gay couples to come get married there. As a fellow Wisconsinite, I agree. I want to see Minnesota stick their finger in the eye of this state more. I should probably just move there. But, then again, Minnesota means the Vikings and I'm already a Bear fan in hell 
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The Rokstar posted:Yeah let's just start jailing journalists. That's always gone over well. yeah what we do is so much better http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/06/obama-abuse-espionage-act-mccarthyism
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Mar 4, 2015 05:08
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Meg From Family Guy posted:yeah what we do is so much better To compare what's happening now to McCarthyism is like comparing a poorly powered light bulb to the blinding radiance of a nuclear blast.
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Mar 4, 2015 05:24
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Hasters posted:The FISA courts are almost 40 years old and are within Congresses power to create, if you don't want congress creating Federal Courts your solution is to amend Article 3. Maybe I'm misremembering, but didn't the Snowden leaks confirm that the NSA was lying to and/or bypassing both FISA courts and Congressional oversight?
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Maybe I'm misremembering, but didn't the Snowden leaks confirm that the NSA was lying to and/or bypassing both FISA courts and Congressional oversight? Yes, to both.
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Mar 4, 2015 05:38
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The only argument I can think of for Snowden doing the wrong thing is that it's necessary for the CIA to act extra-legally in order to do its job.
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Mar 4, 2015 05:43
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Cross-posting from the SCOTUS thread, court analysts see SCOTUS having 5 votes to strike down redistricting commissions. Am I misunderstanding this case or would setups like California be untouched by the ruling unless 5 justices want to be broad assholes?
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Samurai Sanders posted:The only argument I can think of for Snowden doing the wrong thing is that it's necessary for the CIA to act extra-legally in order to do its job. He was at least a lot more responsible in his leaks than Manning.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Cross-posting from the SCOTUS thread, court analysts see SCOTUS having 5 votes to strike down redistricting commissions. What makes you think redistricting committees in general prevent gerrymandering? A whole bunch of states have them and they just reinforce gerrymandering, even.
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James Garfield posted:California is notoriously gerrymandered. California is highly unusual in having a redistricting commission that actually did its job. In most other cases, they just get used as rubber stamps to maintain gerrymandering. Sorry it hurts your feelings to question the almighty concept of redistricting commissions. 
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