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TEAYCHES posted:if the Iranians are not developing nukes, they should, because if they don't the United States and Israel might consider a war. Actually it seems that Mossad thinks they've decided that it is in fact much more dangerous for them to actively develop them right now, although they are retaining the know-how and have a lot of precursors in the wings. I think the bigger problem with going to war with them is that the US doesn't have the stomach for it and Israel doesn't have the capacity.
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Mar 4, 2015 06:28
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Badger of Basra posted:we must secure the existence of our nukes and a future for persian children i will argue against iranian nuclear technology when israel declares their own and signs the non-proliferation agreement
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PupsOfWar posted:I don't support the existence of an independent israel because I am not ready for the End Times Well, you shouldn't have posted on P2K!!!
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two thousand zero zero party's over whoops out of time
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TEAYCHES posted:i will argue against iranian nuclear technology when israel declares their own and signs the non-proliferation agreement So you will never have an independent opinion about Iran because the Middle East is a pissing match with Israel for you?
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Mar 4, 2015 06:29
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Volkerball posted:Obama couldn't even say mean things to Maliki when he was purging opposition politicians. Starting a war with Iran is something he is not capable of doing. lol Are you at least capable of admitting we should drop the sanctions and travel bans?
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Mar 4, 2015 06:30
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Absurd Alhazred posted:We are doing business with Saudi Arabia. The way in which we are doing business with them gives them 0 motivation to change. Any attempt at liberalization would collapse their whole social structure. I don't think "public pressure" would affect change in Iran any more than it did in Syria. Both of those governments are going to have to be straight up overthrown. The difference is that in Iran, you have a westernized public sympathetic to ideals of freedom who's government would be a good one, and in KSA, regardless of what most Saudi's feel about the situation, jihadist militias will be the strongest forces and the beneficiaries.
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:Let's stop fighting and party like it's page 1999 tonight. LOL, that post was so immaculately placed. 
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Absurd Alhazred posted:So you will never have an independent opinion about Iran because the Middle East is a pissing match with Israel for you? in the sense that its a powerplay, sure. having your own independent opinion out of context of that is pissing into the wind
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Volkerball posted:I don't think "public pressure" would affect change in Iran any more than it did in Syria. Both of those governments are going to have to be straight up overthrown. The difference is that in Iran, you have a westernized public sympathetic to ideals of freedom who's government would be a good one, and in KSA, regardless of what most Saudi's feel about the situation, jihadist militias will be the strongest forces and the beneficiaries. Okay, this post is peak ME thread. Chapeau!
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Venom Snake posted:lol idk. it's a touchy situation. things definitely need to change, but it's volatile, and ever inch we step back is an inch the iranian government can step forward.
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Volkerball posted:do you support doing business with evil regimes, or is it cool to just be like "well, we've done it before, so it's w/e" its a bit loving late to pretend we wont cheerfully give handshakes and hi-5s to literally the most dreadful examples of humanity on the planet, so pursuing an objectively stone retarded policy like putting iran on endless sequence of double-secret sanctions because "oh, well, theyre bad", as if its going to change anything instead of just ossifying the power structure of scowling beardmen that are doing the awful things you complain about, is stupid
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Volkerball posted:I don't think "public pressure" would affect change in Iran any more than it did in Syria. Both of those governments are going to have to be straight up overthrown. The difference is that in Iran, you have a westernized public sympathetic to ideals of freedom who's government would be a good one, and in KSA, regardless of what most Saudi's feel about the situation, jihadist militias will be the strongest forces and the beneficiaries. You just went from 0 to insane in under 10 posts. Yeah obviously the solution to Iran's current issues is violent revolution. wait a minute...
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zoux posted:2000 page post 
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The End Times are nigh! Probate everyone who participated in this ME derail. I am willing to sacrifice myself if it means other suffer too. Spite is the driving force in the ME right now, so it is very fitting.
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Mar 4, 2015 06:33
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hey remember how clapping our hands over our ears and chanting LALALALA SAAAANCTIONS NOOOO DIPLOMATIC RELLAAAATTTIIOONS FOR YOUUUU totally put an end to human rights abuses in cuba
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zoux has a higher than 3:1 post to page ratio. Makes you think.
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whatever happens this deal with iran needs to go through. this is the most western-friendly administration you will ever loving hope for in Iran outside of these negotiations, how would it ever go better for israel? we are negotiating with the best possible partners in this time. the deal reached will be flawed but the alternative is, ultimately, war
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Absurd Alhazred posted:The End Times are nigh! Probate everyone who participated in this ME derail. I am willing to sacrifice myself if it means other suffer too. Spite is the driving force in the ME right now, so it is very fitting. Kyooooooooooon~ 
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paranoid randroid posted:hey remember how clapping our hands over our ears and chanting LALALALA SAAAANCTIONS NOOOO DIPLOMATIC RELLAAAATTTIIOONS FOR YOUUUU totally put an end to human rights abuses in cuba And it would have been liberated too, if it wasn't for this sudden lifting of sanctions and normalization of relations. THANKS OBAMA!
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Well, you shouldn't have posted on P2K!!! aw gently caress
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paranoid randroid posted:its a bit loving late to pretend we wont cheerfully give handshakes and hi-5s to literally the most dreadful examples of humanity on the planet, so pursuing an objectively stone retarded policy like putting iran on endless sequence of double-secret sanctions because "oh, well, theyre bad", as if its going to change anything instead of just ossifying the power structure of scowling beardmen that are doing the awful things you complain about, is stupid or instead of people saying "hey how about we hold iran to the same lovely standard we've held everyone else at," we say "hey, this standard is stupid and bad." Venom Snake posted:You just went from 0 to insane in under 10 posts. Yeah obviously the solution to Iran's current issues is violent revolution. it's inevitable tbh
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Majorian posted:Kyooooooooooon~
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Volkerball posted:idk. it's a touchy situation. things definitely need to change, but it's volatile, and ever inch we step back is an inch the iranian government can step forward. You are literally on the level of Narco Rubenman, "Any lenience will only empower them! Continue the sanctions!"
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i regret to inform you all that due to a radium bug, when we roll over to page 2001, the forums will collapse
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The beatings will continue till moral improves.
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How could you sanction this cute Persian kitty?!
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Volkerball posted:or instead of people saying "hey how about we hold iran to the same lovely standard we've held everyone else at," we say "hey, this standard is stupid and bad." would you also like a pony
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Volkerball posted:or instead of people saying "hey how about we hold iran to the same lovely standard we've held everyone else at," we say "hey, this standard is stupid and bad." the standard is stupid and bad but if you wanna do business in the middle east instead of bumblefucking around like the british empires short bus cousin, a good start is to apply pressure through alternative diplomatic means instead of freezing people out and expecting them to suddenly embrace western democractic liberal values ex nihilo
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war with iran is a non-option. no one will consider it. iran is not iraq. we deal with them and let them have nuclear technology or what? what's the actual threat? are we really going to invade iran?
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Volkerball posted:i regret to inform you all that due to a radium bug, when we roll over to page 2001, the forums will collapse Kyooni Ma...Shakti De! Kyooni Ma...Shakti De!!!
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Mar 4, 2015 06:39
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alternatively we could give backing a coup another shot. that went just so swimmingly last time.
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I hear Kermit Roosevelt III ain't up to much these days
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Absurd Alhazred posted:How could you sanction this cute Persian kitty?! Wana pet that cat!
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Iran also has hotter women than Israel, checkmate American foreign policy nerds.
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paranoid randroid posted:the standard is stupid and bad but if you wanna do business in the middle east instead of bumblefucking around like the british empires short bus cousin, a good start is to apply pressure through alternative diplomatic means instead of freezing people out and expecting them to suddenly embrace western democractic liberal values ex nihilo sanctions are part of the diplomatic means. we're best buddies with the saudis, how's that push for western democratic ideals going?
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