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Son of a goddamn bitch, what the gently caress is with their loving blue boner? Be this good to red mages EVER. Origins better have a playable 1RR Chandra. Or RRR, it's not like I'm gonna play a different color unless someone gives me $1000 SCG store credit. Fake edit: Jesus Christ, that would get me a set of Goyf and 2 Liliveil, gently caress this game. vvv: How about just a way to beat ANT that comes into play with a divinity counter if a spell or ability an opponent controls would cause it to be put into graveyard or exile from anywhere? At mythic. Doesn't break any format, just takes away ANT's free bye vs burn. Tubgoat fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Mar 4, 2015 |
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^^ what the hell are you even talking about have you SEEN the red cards in standard right now?uggy posted:So you're running four of them and 16 lands then for your dice analogy to work? Narset is pretty good with scry lands at least
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Mar 4, 2015 17:10
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Angry Grimace posted:I'm not quite sure Narset is a control card. Counter/burn.
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Yawgmoth posted:Holy jesus, Narset is insane. If people start playing more UW in my area I'm gonna have to hold a hero's downfall in hand forever just to deal with her asap. That ult is murder. Wonder if you could do an esper control thing with Sorin? I think it'd be more of Narset and Ashiok dream team given that he'd be the supply of men that keeps your Superfriends safe from things marching over your islands. Tubgoat posted:Son of a goddamn bitch, what the gently caress is with their loving blue boner? Be this good to red mages EVER. But, Pyromaster is going on it's 3rd year in standard??? Also Ablaze is perfectly fine in EDH. I'm in your boat too friend I'm just trying to make light of the situation.
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Mar 4, 2015 17:10
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Narset can be used a lot. Tokens, control. Lots of fun stuff. I really want to make a Jeskai control with her. Use Soulfire as the only critters. Commands, Strikes, Stokes, Counters, Wraths and LOTS OF PLANESWALKERS! WHEE So expensive
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Mar 4, 2015 17:11
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Narset is like the moral version of Domri Rade.
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Mar 4, 2015 17:12
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Count Bleck posted:I think it'd be more of Narset and Ashiok dream team given that he'd be the supply of men that keeps your Superfriends safe from things marching over your islands I'm anticipating Sultai control adding white for Narset possibly. Sultai charm is the cleanest rebound target of all since it basically does whatever you need it to do in addition to having a digmode and there's not a better shell for superfriends right now than Sultai.
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Mar 4, 2015 17:12
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Angry Grimace posted:I'm not quite sure Narset is a control card. Narset wins control mirrors in the very least, but also is just valuetown
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Mar 4, 2015 17:12
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En Fuego posted:I was hoping that she would be tri-color, but I am really okay with this card. Narset is so awesome. This song is literally what happened https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bG6PPQyxyI
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Mar 4, 2015 17:13
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With Dragon Fodder being reprinted, I wonder how many decks will either substitute Hordeling Outburst for it or run them alongside one another. My current Mardu Warrior Tokens rogue deck thing can probably use it but depending on what else gets spoiled I may just play some BR aggro deck instead. rip wedges
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I Love You! posted:I'm anticipating Sultai control adding white for Narset possibly. Sultai charm is the cleanest rebound target of all since it basically does whatever you need it to do in addition to having a digmode and there's not a better shell for superfriends right now than Sultai. I'm currently working on assembling Sultai Superfriends just because I have the walkers minus an Apex Predator and I could see splashing white for Narset. There's also the fact that the deck has access to the best 0/3 with hexproof ramper in standard, too. forbidden lesbian posted:This song is literally what happened I really need to finish P4G.. Mercury Crusader posted:With Dragon Fodder being reprinted, I wonder how many decks will either substitute Hordeling Outburst for it or run them alongside one another. My current Mardu Warrior Tokens rogue deck thing can probably use it but depending on what else gets spoiled I may just play some BR aggro deck instead. rip wedges I could see the decks that run outburst also run Dragon Fodder. All this does is give me a reason to buy the old verion with the better art.
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Mar 4, 2015 17:14
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Bread Set Jettison posted:Narset wins control mirrors in the very least, but also is just valuetown Any planeswalker that sticks wins a control mirror, Narset doesn't do this especially well compared to any other really.
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Mar 4, 2015 17:14
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So that is two cards I want to mess around with in standard, perhaps it will push UW over the edge? Only thing I really want to see now is a decent three mana counterspell to replace dissolve as it is rotating out. Unless Wizards wants to bring back an old favorite for MTG Origins standard legal reprint of counterspell confirmed.
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Mar 4, 2015 17:14
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So who thinks Narset is gonna end up at like 50 bucks...
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Count Bleck posted:I'm currently working on assembling Sultai Superfriends just because I have the walkers minus an Apex Predator and I could see splashing white for Narset. Well sultai superfriends typically doesn't run Carytid since Satyr Wayfinder is just so much better in that shell, but I guess that could change (don't cut wayfinder)
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Mar 4, 2015 17:14
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mcmagic posted:Counter/burn. Yeah she's best with burn spells, and token makers now that I think about it.
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Mar 4, 2015 17:15
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Count Bleck posted:In standard right now you could Rebound Crux of Fate if you really felt like it, which guarantees your opponent doesn't won't reload their board after you cast it. I think Narset is a solid enough card in standard but only because of treasure cruise and DTT. Minus those 2 cards being in standard I couldn't imagine anyone opting to use Narset over Ugin or Elspeth or even some mix.
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Mar 4, 2015 17:15
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May as well splash for Ojutai's Command at that point, bring back a wayfinder or Carytid at instant speed. The Value.
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Terrible Horse posted:Yeah she's best with burn spells, and token makers now that I think about it. She's very good in superfriends and very good in tokens, though if she makes the Tokens cut at 4cmc with all the other options is up in the air.
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Mar 4, 2015 17:16
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Tubgoat posted:Son of a goddamn bitch, what the gently caress is with their loving blue boner? Be this good to red mages EVER. Outpost Siege, Wild Slash, Goblin Rabblemaster, Hordeling Outburst, Stormbreath Dragon, Sarkhan.......oh and Stoke the Flames Red is pretty drat amazing right now, Narset is badass but its not like red is hurting. Hell Chandra Pyromaster was seeing play until Outpost Siege ended up being her, but better. Red is at the best it has been in a long time.
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mcmagic posted:So who thinks Narset is gonna end up at like 50 bucks... All the value in the set will be on her. I think she sill settle at 20-30 I'll get my set then some later time she'll go up.
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Bread Set Jettison posted:Narset wins control mirrors in the very least, but also is just valuetown I don't know that "you have a 50/50 chance to draw a card" is a great use of 4 mana, and in control her -2 is basically just double-Treasure Cruise. I just don't know that the kind of control deck you guys are thinking about really wants to tap out on turn 4 to cast something that has a 50% chance of doing anything. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Mar 4, 2015 |
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Mar 4, 2015 17:17
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jassi007 posted:All the value in the set will be on her. I think she sill settle at 20-30 I'll get my set then some later time she'll go up. She prolly will stay high, because she's a powerful planeswalker across STD and EDH.
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Failboattootoot posted:I think Narset is a solid enough card in standard but only because of treasure cruise and DTT. Minus those 2 cards being in standard I couldn't imagine anyone opting to use Narset over Ugin or Elspeth or even some mix. She costs 4 mana and has 6 loyalty. Decks without black in them can't kill her. jassi007 posted:All the value in the set will be on her. I think she sill settle at 20-30 I'll get my set then some later time she'll go up. They are printing a command cycle if you don't think at least one of those aren't going to be format breakers somewhere you cray
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jassi007 posted:All the value in the set will be on her. I think she sill settle at 20-30 I'll get my set then some later time she'll go up. You say that, and then watch, we're getting Zendikar fetches. I want to believe.
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Narset is good with Treasure Cruise and Dig Through Time, which is a bad sign for her future in Modern. She's terrible with Sphinx's Revelation and Blue Sun's Zenith. I think there's a nonzero chance we see her in Vintage, because control decks in that format run only about 17 lands and tons of creatures. Her advantages in Vintage are: - 7 starting loyalty if you plus her, 4 if you minus her, so she's immortal against a lot of decks in the format. - First ability is about a 2/3 chance of drawing a card, although not quite as much value as Jace. - Second ability can double very powerful Vintage spells like Ancestral Recall, Time Walk, and Treasure Cruise. - Ultimate completely locks out every deck except Shops and Null Rod aggro, whereas Dack Fayden sees play despite an ultimate that doesn't do anything. Downsides: - 2WU mana cost. The only 4+ mana planeswalkers in Vintage are Jace TMS and Tezzeret the Seeker, the latter of whom is a one-card "You win the game next turn". - She competes with Jace to be placed in the same kind of deck. - Vintage decks don't have many cards that support her -2, though the ones they have are very good. Forget Modern, I so want to play Narset in a deck with one-ofs Ancestral Recall, Time Walk, Treasure Cruise, and Demonic Tutor.
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Angry Grimace posted:I don't know that "you have a 50/50 chance to draw a card" is a great use of 4 mana, and in control her -2 is basically just double-Treasure Cruise. I just don't know that the kind of control deck you guys are thinking about really wants to tap out on turn 4 to cast something that has a 50% chance of doing anything. To be fair it's impossible to lose a control mirror* after double treasure cruise. *or any game I Love You! fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Mar 4, 2015 |
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jassi007 posted:All the value in the set will be on her. I think she sill settle at 20-30 I'll get my set then some later time she'll go up. We've seen a small part of the set, and none of the other walkers in it, not to mention the rest of the command cycle (I Love You! mentioned them), other mythics, and who knows what else... I like her, don't get me wrong, but "all the value will be on her" is a pretty huge statement, especially for a large set.
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Angry Grimace posted:I don't know that "you have a 50/50 chance to draw a card" is a great use of 4 mana, and in control her -2 is basically just double-Treasure Cruise. Do you think Double Treasure Cruise is bad?
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En Fuego posted:She prolly will stay high, because she's a powerful planeswalker across STD and EDH. She will be a 3-4 of in Modern too.
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Angry Grimace posted:I don't know that "you have a 50/50 chance to draw a card" is a great use of 4 mana, and in control her -2 is basically just double-Treasure Cruise. I just don't know that the kind of control deck you guys are thinking about really wants to tap out on turn 4 to cast something that has a 50% chance of doing anything. Scrylands make it not a 50/50 chance? This is the same argument people used for Domri Rade
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Count Bleck posted:You say that, and then watch, we're getting Zendikar fetches. Anyone else think the land art from the Narset article could be Scalding Tarn??
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Bread Set Jettison posted:Scrylands make it not a 50/50 chance? Domri Rade cost 3 and that is a big difference, to be honest. No one disagrees that an unanswered Courser is something you are likely to come back from just because it whiffs around half the turns.
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Failboattootoot posted:I think Narset is a solid enough card in standard but only because of treasure cruise and DTT. Minus those 2 cards being in standard I couldn't imagine anyone opting to use Narset over Ugin or Elspeth or even some mix. You wouldn't. Narset is a custom built Prowess enabler.
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Tibalt could LOSE a control mirror under the best circumstances. Alright, ya know what? Just a public apology for Tibalt along with an MPR-style mailing of Tibalt-the-not-a-permanent-reminder-of-R&D's-contempt-for-eternal-red-value. Was REALLY hoping for Koth reprint in Origins but that can't happen now (as Chandra is their red 'walker (and is in her second year, not third)).
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Tubgoat posted:Son of a goddamn bitch, what the gently caress is with their loving blue boner? Be this good to red mages EVER. Print one cool blue card and it's Urza Block all over again.
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Angry Grimace posted:You wouldn't. Narset is a custom built Prowess enabler. Check off one more box for my unbeatable Goblinslide/Scroll of the Masters powerhouse deck, we're in Rebound City folks
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Count Bleck posted:You say that, and then watch, we're getting Zendikar fetches. To clarify, I mean if she stayed at $50, all the value of the set would be on her. Just like Khans, if you have a set where the EV of a pack is much higher than the MSRP of the pack, everyone opens boxes until prices go down. This is why fetches are no longer $15-20 + all the other cards have settled a good bit. If narset stays at $50 then other cards have to be worthless. If Narset is $50 and other cards have value people will crack boxes until she is lower than $50. TL;DR she won't stick at $50. But she may be at $50 until sometime after gameday when people seem to get their fill and prices start cooling off.
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I Love You! posted:Check off one more box for my unbeatable Goblinslide/Scroll of the Masters powerhouse deck We will need to see what else white gets, but right now, I don't think Narset is justification to switch off black into white.
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mcmagic posted:She will be a 3-4 of in Modern too. What will she double? I think she'll be good in every format where either Dig Through Time or Treasure Cruise is legal, but Modern is not on that list. I'm giddy thinking about running Narset in Vintage. Imagine: -2 Narset, cast Demonic Tutor, find Time Walk. On your extra turn, Demonic Tutor rebounds for Yawgmoth's Will, letting you recast Time Walk.
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