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Angry Grimace posted:We will need to see what else white gets, but right now, I don't think Narset is justification to switch off black into white. Holding out for a 1 mana spell with rebound that puts a 0/1 token with prowess into play. Hell, I'd pay 1W for that poo poo.
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jassi007 posted:To clarify, I mean if she stayed at $50, all the value of the set would be on her. Just like Khans, if you have a set where the EV of a pack is much higher than the MSRP of the pack, everyone opens boxes until prices go down. This is why fetches are no longer $15-20 + all the other cards have settled a good bit. If narset stays at $50 then other cards have to be worthless. If Narset is $50 and other cards have value people will crack boxes until she is lower than $50. TL;DR she won't stick at $50. But she may be at $50 until sometime after gameday when people seem to get their fill and prices start cooling off. Khans had 50-60 dollars of value in 5 lands which DTK probably won't have.
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Realistically tho that R/W deck running SFGM and a bunch of token makers and stokes seems like a fun place to try to place narset form the get go. It makes chains shittier to cast which is a huge downside but goddamn I wanna go big.
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Mar 4, 2015 17:29
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Chamale posted:What will she double? I think she'll be good in every format where either Dig Through Time or Treasure Cruise is legal, but Modern is not on that list. I'm not sure it honestly even matters what you give rebound in vintage, you're winning if it resolves.
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Mar 4, 2015 17:30
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Cernunnos posted:
Oh my god what a terrible idea that would be, Sultai control matches that end 1-0 every single time. I don't think they will ever print a card that durdly again (lol jeskai ascendancy whups)
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Mar 4, 2015 17:32
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I like how Ojutai in the end doesn't really care that Narset found out the truth
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Mar 4, 2015 17:32
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I Love You! posted:Oh my god what a terrible idea that would be, Sultai control matches that end 1-0 every single time.
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Mar 4, 2015 17:35
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I Love You! posted:Holding out for a 1 mana spell with rebound that puts a 0/1 token with prowess into play. Hell, I'd pay 1W for that poo poo. The mana is too lovely to be Esper and Narset is not a good reason to do it. gently caress it, run both Narset in a Jeskai counterburn, is what I'm saying.
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Mar 4, 2015 17:35
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mcmagic posted:Khans also had 50-60 dollars of value in 5 lands which DTK probably won't have. Yes correct, and most of the value of that set is in those 5 lands. That is why Siege Rhino is $5-8 instead of $10-15. It is why Sorin and Sarkhan are $8-10 instead of $15-20. The value of all the cards in the set when averaged out can not be greater than the price of a pack, if it is, everyone will open packs until the price is less than the price of a pack. Khans EV is $2.96. For a good while it was well over $4 when Sarkhan was $25, sorin was $20+ and fetches were $15-20 not $9-15. So stores and players opened many many many boxes and now the prices are lower. I'm not saying Narset couldn't stay $50. If she does for her standard lifetime though, she will kill the price of all other cards in Dragons. Given 5 commands, a zillion dragons, another planeswalker to come, etc. the likelyhood she holds at $50 vs. coming down to a more sane $20-25 is really really unlikely.
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Mar 4, 2015 17:35
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Anyway, let's talk about some of the new cards that aren't Narset, shall we? This guy seems good to me with the new 2RR dragon and Stormbreath in some sort of RG aggro shell.
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Mar 4, 2015 17:36
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jassi007 posted:Yes correct, and most of the value of that set is in those 5 lands. That is why Siege Rhino is $5-8 instead of $10-15. It is why Sorin and Sarkhan are $8-10 instead of $15-20. The value of all the cards in the set when averaged out can not be greater than the price of a pack, if it is, everyone will open packs until the price is less than the price of a pack. Khans EV is $2.96. For a good while it was well over $4 when Sarkhan was $25, sorin was $20+ and fetches were $15-20 not $9-15. So stores and players opened many many many boxes and now the prices are lower. This is all assuming Narset is even particularly good. Narset can't win the game on her own and requires you to draw into something else that's good enough to win the game, and I don't think her abilities lend themselves well to a control deck. New decks will emerge, of course, but right now, the only deck where I think she'd really shine is Tokens, or some kind of slow version of U/W Heroic. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Mar 4, 2015 |
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Mar 4, 2015 17:36
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Angry Grimace posted:The mana is too lovely to be Esper and Narset is not a good reason to do it. Why would I ever be esper, Jeskai tokens 4 lyfe
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Mar 4, 2015 17:37
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I Love You! posted:I'm not sure it honestly even matters what you give rebound in vintage, you're winning if it resolves. Not necessarily - if you draw 6 cards, but none of those cards interacts with a Blightsteel Colossus or a storm-10 Tendrils of Agony, you might lose. Although Vintage has some deadly two-card combos like Voltaic Key + Time Vault or Time Walk + Tinker, so rebounding a Demonic Tutor with Narset means you are likely to win on the next turn.
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Mar 4, 2015 17:38
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I Love You! posted:Holding out for a 1 mana spell with rebound that puts a 0/1 token with prowess into play. Hell, I'd pay 1W for that poo poo. Pay 2W and get a 2/2 body with prowess to go with it. 
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Mar 4, 2015 17:39
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Elyv posted:Anyway, let's talk about some of the new cards that aren't Narset, shall we? He can actually do a pretty good Goyf impression but the setup is steep. Seems like he'd be best as a deterrent but without a dragon in hand he's just a wasted slot so ehh.
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Mar 4, 2015 17:39
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He's a much better template than Talara's Buttalion for a big ole fat green 2-drop, that's for sure.
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I Love You! posted:He can actually do a pretty good Goyf impression but the setup is steep. Seems like he'd be best as a deterrent but without a dragon in hand he's just a wasted slot so ehh. The biggest problem is that I have no reason to believe green dragons will ever be good since they break color pie just by being big flying dragons - the green regent is the worst one.
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Mar 4, 2015 17:43
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Angry Grimace posted:This is all assuming Narset is even particularly good. Narset can't win the game on her own and requires you to draw into something else that's good enough to win the game, and I don't think her abilities lend themselves well to a control deck. Absolutely. If she is a staple in standard control shells, those cards typically are worth top standard dollar. If she turns out to be a big fat red herring, then her price tanks accordingly. If she also doesn't end up having modern or legacy play, farther. I think she seems powerful enough to see play in at least one constructed format though.
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Elyv posted:Anyway, let's talk about some of the new cards that aren't Narset, shall we? It's bad. The RG aggro deck wants to play a Rabblemaster or a Flamewake Phoenix on T2 and if not that, it wants Heir which attacks through alot of the good stuff in the format. That card is also pretty weak off the top later in the game.
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Mar 4, 2015 17:47
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Bread Set Jettison posted:Scrylands make it not a 50/50 chance? Really, though. Scrylands are only going to be in standard for another 6 months. I like her. She is going to soak up a lot of damage from aggro decks. She really is a noncreature-leaning version of Ashiok; a card I love anyway. So, I'm definitely going to try an Esper Walker brew after she comes out. I can see a slightly more mid-rangy Jeskai deck come out of the works with her, too, since she can dig for Ascendancy, and works well with a curve of Soulfire -> Hordeling Outburst -> Narset + convoke Stoke.
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jassi007 posted:Absolutely. If she is a staple in standard control shells, those cards typically are worth top standard dollar. If she turns out to be a big fat red herring, then her price tanks accordingly. If she also doesn't end up having modern or legacy play, farther. I think she seems powerful enough to see play in at least one constructed format though. Probably a $15 card. I think she's about as good as Ashiok.
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Angry Grimace posted:Probably a $15 card. I think she's about as good as Ashiok. I think she may be a bit more than that due to other formats, in particular EDH. The ultimate is absurd in a multiplayer format and it is a great draw engine for commanders in those colors. Not to mention the battlecruiser nature leading to lots of mana ready to be abused in the form of copying draw cards or extra turns. Deofuta fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Mar 4, 2015 |
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Mar 4, 2015 17:54
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mcmagic posted:It's bad. The RG aggro deck wants to play a Rabblemaster or a Flamewake Phoenix on T2 and if not that, it wants Heir which attacks through alot of the good stuff in the format. That card is also pretty weak off the top later in the game. I feel like it's more conditional than bad; if there are enough cheap, efficient dragons to make this guy consistently a 3/4 for 2 then I think it's fine. Will there be? Still too early to tell.
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Deofuta posted:I think she may be a bit more than that due to other formats, in particular EDH. The ultimate is absurd in a multiplayer format and it is a great draw engine for commanders in those colors. Oh she is going to be ridiculous in EDH, Doubling Season into Narset Ultimate is going to end a lot of Commander Friendships.
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Elyv posted:I feel like it's more conditional than bad; if there are enough cheap, efficient dragons to make this guy consistently a 3/4 for 2 then I think it's fine. Will there be? Still too early to tell. Best case scenario you get a vanilla creature that can't get past Courser
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Mar 4, 2015 18:00
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Angry Grimace posted:Probably a $15 card. I think she's about as good as Ashiok. I think there will be modern interst in her. Whether or not she pans out, people are looking for something to boost a control build in modern, and this card at first glance looks good. Heck I want to try her in both Jeskai and Esper control shells.
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Has anyone commented on how loving awful the Narset art is? It looks like some deviant art comic book fan drawing. Especially after that art they posted and took down that looked planeswalkery and way better. Guess we know what the grand prize will be for getting the most dragon dice points at prerelease. E: I looked up the artist and all of his other cards are great. I don't know why he seems to have lost his sense of perspective/anatomy for Narset. Those arms. mr. mephistopheles fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Mar 4, 2015 |
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Mar 4, 2015 18:11
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Yeah, yeah, Narset. I'm surprised at the strictly better drudge skeletons! I thought we didn't get regeneration that efficient any more.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Has anyone commented on how loving awful the Narset art is? It looks like some deviant art comic book fan drawing. Especially after that art they posted and took down that looked planeswalkery and way better. Guess we know what the grand prize will be for getting the most dragon dice points at prerelease. I agree that the other art looked better but I don't super-hate this art given how bad it could get.
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Mar 4, 2015 18:18
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Spiderdrake posted:The prize was supposedly rare dragons, ie probably the intro pack dragons. It could be way worse, I agree. Just going to call her Narset T-rexin'. And I was (mostly) joking about the prerelease.
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Mar 4, 2015 18:20
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e:fb but Narset is really cool.I Love You! posted:Check off one more box for my unbeatable Goblinslide/Scroll of the Masters powerhouse deck, we're in Rebound City folks  I didn't think you'd still be butthurt about me mentioning Goblinslide a whole day later, but here we are.
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Mar 4, 2015 18:22
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Narsets fluff in RU reads like she's Azami but in a different setting.
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Mar 4, 2015 18:23
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bhsman posted:e:fb but Narset is really cool. you might think that guy was trolling you, but really, he was trolling angry grimace
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Mar 4, 2015 18:24
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Zoness posted:Narsets fluff in RU reads like she's Azami but in a different setting. Was Azami dealing with compulsive issues? This is a legitimate question, because Narset is ridiculously twitchy throughout the story.
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bhsman posted:e:fb but Narset is really cool. Considering I've posted multiple times that I'm actually going to have fun brewing with these dumb cards I wish you'd give it a rest.
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forbidden lesbian posted:you might think that guy was trolling you, but really, he was trolling angry grimace There was an entire spat yesterday where he assured me he wasn't making a personal attack and then called me mad for people insulting a pet card that I already admitted wasn't great, so yeah. I Love You! posted:Considering I've posted multiple times that I'm actually going to have fun brewing with these dumb cards I wish you'd give it a rest. I think Goblinslide is decent as a 1 or 2-of in a Jeskai Tokens deck running Narset.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:It could be way worse, I agree. Just going to call her Narset T-rexin'. And I was (mostly) joking about the prerelease. Little Trevor, eight years old gonna be so excited with the dragons he's given
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Ramos posted:Was Azami dealing with compulsive issues? This is a legitimate question, because Narset is ridiculously twitchy throughout the story.
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