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Yeah, it would have to be kept seperate from the politics of south Cali and north Oregon.
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Ardennes posted:The State of Jefferson should happen, but it gets to count as a territory.
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Haha! The Oregon invasion has begun! http://www.oregonlive.com/dining/index.ssf/2015/01/in-n-out_medford_oregon_constr.html
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Ron Jeremy posted:Haha! The Oregon invasion has begun! lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQowy9DdY8k
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In Oregon, we actually have anti turist commercials running.
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In N Out is actually how Californians hide terrorist sleeper cells in other states
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Mar 3, 2015 07:35
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etalian posted:In N Out is actually how Californians hide terrorist sleeper cells in other states That's where Vince Gilligan got the inspiration for Los Pollos Hermanos.
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They are a fundamentalist religious cult.
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etalian posted:In N Out is actually how Californians hide terrorist sleeper cells in other states SHHHHHHHH!
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Today protesters blocked Highway 17 near Santa Cruz to protest tuition hikes at the UCs.
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Good to know why! Nice Polite Republican radio only told me to expect delays due to a protest.
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VikingofRock posted:Today protesters blocked Highway 17 near Santa Cruz to protest tuition hikes at the UCs. On Highway 17 probably no one could tell that there was a protest blocking things.
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VikingofRock posted:Today protesters blocked Highway 17 near Santa Cruz to protest tuition hikes at the UCs. Then why does it say this: quote:They chanted: “No justice, no peace. (Expletive) the police.” Or are millennial protesters just terrible at protesting?
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nm posted:Then why does it say this: Guerilla marketing for the NWA movie. Also a protest. Its the new thing.
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Mar 4, 2015 05:24
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Having protested a fair amount, chants get recycled. Especially when you are bored as gently caress.
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VikingofRock posted:Today protesters blocked Highway 17 near Santa Cruz to protest tuition hikes at the UCs. Why would you block the 17 to protest tuition hikes at the UC's? Shouldn't they be chaining themselves to something in or around campus?
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Mar 4, 2015 05:59
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Sydin posted:Why would you block the 17 to protest tuition hikes at the UC's? Shouldn't they be chaining themselves to something in or around campus? Say what you will about being couth but people did give a poo poo about this and no one would possibly care about some UCSC treesitter.
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Sydin posted:Why would you block the 17 to protest tuition hikes at the UC's? Shouldn't they be chaining themselves to something in or around campus? The people around campus probably already know about the tuition hikes. You raise awareness by protesting where people outside your own community will see the protest.
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Shbobdb posted:Having protested a fair amount, chants get recycled. Especially when you are bored as gently caress. But a completely off-topic chant? I mean this did seem organized, a few chants about tuition increases might have helped. Also, blocking the admin building or occupying a floor would make more sense if that is what they wanted to do. Especially as the admin at the UCs have expanded massively since the 80s (though funding has also been cut back).
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Trabisnikof posted:The people around campus probably already know about the tuition hikes. You raise awareness by protesting where people outside your own community will see the protest. I guess that makes sense, but it seems rather counter-intuitive. I doubt they garnered much sympathy for their cause by making a poo poo ton of people late to work. Nor do I wager it really much effected the UC admins who are proposing the hike.
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Sydin posted:I guess that makes sense, but it seems rather counter-intuitive. I doubt they garnered much sympathy for their cause by making a poo poo ton of people late to work. This has been a constant refrain throughout the history of protesting. Every single march gets that complaint. Politely protesting gets you nowhere. If you were annoyed by being late in traffic, how pissed off must the protesters be to protest there all day? Makes you think.
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Trabisnikof posted:If you were annoyed by being late in traffic, how pissed off must the protesters be to protest there all day? Makes you think. You know more thoughtful people than I. Most of my coworkers would just spend the whole day bitching about "loving no-life students" and complain about how their taxes are already too high.  But I suppose you're right, a protest that doesn't ruffle feathers isn't a very effective protest. The venue just feels odd to me, is all.
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It got them in the news, which was the point. Likewise, the kind of person who is going to do a protest like that is going to have a lot of political feelings. They are gonna chant about all of 'em. And they should. No one accuses MLK of being "unfocused" on civil rights because he spent a lot of energy on anti-war and economic justice.
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The whole thing is a shitfest between an administration that won't cut its bloated self, and the tax payers who won't pay enough to fund a truly world-class system. I hate to go all truth is in the middle, but it is mostly true here, though I blame the tax payers more as even with reduced admin, the UC will be underfunded, particularly if it will use tenure track people like they should. The students are stuck in the middle. California voters do oppose the tuition increases. However, the alternatives for funding are cutting classes, teaching staff, and admitting few instate students in favor of out-of-states, which they also supported in the same poll as the alternative to increases. Shbobdb posted:Likewise, the kind of person who is going to do a protest like that is going to have a lot of political feelings. They are gonna chant about all of 'em. And they should. No one accuses MLK of being "unfocused" on civil rights because he spent a lot of energy on anti-war and economic justice. nm fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Mar 4, 2015 |
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Sydin posted:You know more thoughtful people than I. Most of my coworkers would just spend the whole day bitching about "loving no-life students" and complain about how their taxes are already too high. And for civil rights march there are those that would shake their fist and complain about those "lazy negros" or "shiftless gays". Doesn't mean the protesting that drove those movements wasn't worth while. Or the free speech movement for an even more California specific example of "loving no-life students" enshrining rights that even freepers adore.
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nm posted:The whole thing is a shitfest between an administration that won't cut its bloated self, and the tax payers who won't pay enough to fund a truly world-class system. I hate to go all truth is in the middle, but it is mostly true here, though I blame the tax payers more as even with reduced admin, the UC will be underfunded, particularly if it will use tenure track people like they should. The students are stuck in the middle. The alternative that isn't one, for some reason, is to cut the poo poo out of administration and management, which has ballooned over the last 20 years proportion-wise to teaching/research staff. Sadly the UC system is being run like a corporation, and the last thing that will be cut is senior management positions, rather than the first. There's more senior management positions than there are tenured positions now. The other big holes in the budget relate to prop 13 and dealing with the prison mess.
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nm posted:Both of those related to MLK's message. "gently caress the police" doesn't relate to theirs (though, it would relate to MLK's), and in fact, gives certain persons tools to marginalize them. From a modern perspective . . . maybe. At the time, they were in very much the opposite direction since it fed into the whole notion that "ending segregation is Communism and unAmerican" which was a major concern at that time. Looking to the future, I imagine it will be easy to see how a population forced into debt peonage would be highly critical of the police.
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nm posted:The whole thing is a shitfest between an administration that won't cut its bloated self, and the tax payers who won't pay enough to fund a truly world-class system. I hate to go all truth is in the middle, but it is mostly true here, though I blame the tax payers more as even with reduced admin, the UC will be underfunded, particularly if it will use tenure track people like they should. The students are stuck in the middle. It's not just admin bloat though, it's also lovely decision making and allocation of funding. I worked for one of the CSU's for the better part of three years, and I can tell you first hand that internal decision making is hosed. My school in particular had (and from what I hear from friends still going there, still has) a problem with shoveling money into multiple infrastructure projects, while simultaneously cutting back teaching staff & class availability. While it's true the campus is old and even now still needs a lot of work, there's no excuse for throwing up 5 new buildings at the same time while also saying there's no money in the budget for classes. A little balancing is appropriate here. There were other issues too, including the deliberate redirection of student fees towards the admin's pet projects, or our President being some kind of STEM cultists who considered any major that wasn't STEM oriented a complete waste, and took the sheers to anything he could accordingly. It got so bad the student council went over the President's head and appealed to the CSU chancellor to conduct an independent audit of the school's budget.  Basically what I'm saying is that if management is half as bad at the UC's as it is at the CSU's, then even reducing admin bloat & increasing tax revenue together won't be enough. There needs to be more oversight regarding how these places are actually being run. Sydin fucked around with this message at 06:26 on Mar 4, 2015 |
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People absolutely accused civil rights protesters of being unfocused. That's a classic criticism of protesters to try and minimize their complaints.
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Besides, look at it this way: in an age where political activism for most people amounts to posting crap on Facebook and signing useless online petitions, these kids actually went out there and did something reasonably harmless that actually put them in the spotlight. So props to them.
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Sydin posted:Why would you block the 17 to protest tuition hikes at the UC's? Shouldn't they be chaining themselves to something in or around campus? It would be like chaining yourself to a random tree in a forest and hoping someone noticed.
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FRINGE posted:UCSC was laid out to minimize the ability to do anything like this in response to various historical UCB happenings. (Anecdotal story from UCSC professor.) It would make a lot of sense if it were true. UC Merced is basically out in the middle of old cow fields and farmland. It's a bitch to get there by car. I can't imagine anyone would march out of that into Mercedtown easily.
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Once again I find myself sympathizing almost entirely with UC students and their complaints, and also once again finding their methods just shy of idiotic and useless. Might be a bit bitter and cynical considering I used to go there, though.
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FRINGE posted:UCSC was laid out to minimize the ability to do anything like this in response to various historical UCB happenings. (Anecdotal story from UCSC professor.) Ucsb was established in 65, before most of the UCB protests.
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Bizarro Watt posted:Once again I find myself sympathizing almost entirely with UC students and their complaints, and also once again finding their methods just shy of idiotic and useless. Might be a bit bitter and cynical considering I used to go there, though. What exactly can students do that will change anything? Take a building and occupy it, 60's style?
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Zeitgueist posted:What exactly can students do that will change anything? They tried this at UCB a few years ago. After most of a week of occupation, the cops bust in at 5 AM one morning and arrested a bunch of people (including my roommate at the time). Edit: This was different than the Wheeler Hall occupation but I'm having trouble finding any news stories on it, I think it was Dwinelle. Phayray fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Mar 4, 2015 |
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Phayray posted:They tried this at UCB a few years ago. After most of a week of occupation, the cops bust in at 5 AM one morning and arrested a bunch of people (including my roommate at the time). I know, that's why I used that example. Campuses are trying desperately to lose any trappings of "friendly to protest culture" they have left over from the past century and I don't really know what much there is to be done, as tuition pricing and student debt doesn't gain a lot of traction outside the college community relative to other issues.
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A friendly reminder that the backlash against the Berkeley protests is what got Reagan elected governor and tuition enacted at UC to begin with.
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Zeitgueist posted:I know, that's why I used that example. The University of California in the twentieth century is noted for such "friendly to protest culture" aspects as enacting a loyalty oath that even a former member of the Freikorps refused to take.
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Zeitgueist posted:What exactly can students do that will change anything? Occupying a building is something that UCSC students do almost every other Tuesday. I honestly don't know the answer to your question. I think one issue is that in terms of the tuition hikes, most Californians are actually already on their side and blocking traffic isn't accomplishing anything worthwhile minus being a nuisance. Protests also occur with such frequency there that, at least when I was as student, they stopped being that big of a deal and became just another thing. What are they protesting now?, etc. Many of my friends felt the same way and none of us were truth-is-in-the-middle types or conservative turds. Their messaging is also often inconsistent. It's usually about tuition hikes mixed in with whatever the current hot topic is, in this case police brutality apparently. I also remember last time they threatened to shut down campus (which with UCSC is surprisingly easy-- just block the roads) and that was drat near infuriating for a lot normally sympathetic people. It didn't make me suddenly switch to the pro-UCOP side out of spite because that's idiotic, but I wouldn't be surprised if it did that for a few people. That also relates to my relative annoyance with the grad student union in general.
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