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Angry Grimace posted:
I want to run this as the only creature in a control deck E: or Loam Pox I guess
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Mar 5, 2015 00:35
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That is the least mythic mythic since like... Archangel's Light.
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Mar 5, 2015 00:35
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Nehru the Damaja posted:That is the least mythic mythic since like... Archangel's Light. Its a pretty tough to beat card in limited, I think, especially if you load up on any Exploit effects that might be in the set (we've seen 2, and both were Zombies).
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Mar 5, 2015 00:37
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Angry Grimace posted:I'm guessing the "exploit" is recasting him after using an Exploit ability, e.g. Sidisi-2 (who is also a Zombie). Oh yeah, I guess that's also a thing. It's still really not very exciting tho.
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Mar 5, 2015 00:37
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Nehru the Damaja posted:That is the least mythic mythic since like... Archangel's Light. Zombie Lord is an easy first pick tho...
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Mar 5, 2015 00:38
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Angry Grimace posted:
Really not liking this guy. First off he can't block, which is a big reason you would even care about a creature that can return itself from the graveyard. So his only use is offense, but at 4CMC the more aggressive decks won't necessarily want him. Not to mention that the more aggressive the deck, the more likely this guy will cost more to cast from the yard. Seems like the definition of a creature Wizards was overly cautious in nerfing.
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Mar 5, 2015 00:39
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AlternateNu posted:Really. I could see WUG Walkers that is just a reversion to the earlier Walker decks pre-Khans. Caryatid/Courser core with Ajani (Mentor), Narset, Elspeth, and Nissa. That sounds pretty loving scary, honestly. Outside of block constructed I don't think we've seen a superfriends deck since 5 mana Gideon was using his Royal Assassin powers on Birds of Paradise. I don't think we are ever going to again.
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Mar 5, 2015 00:40
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qbert posted:Really not liking this guy. First off he can't block, which is a big reason you would even care about a creature that can return itself from the graveyard. So his only use is offense, but at 4CMC the more aggressive decks won't necessarily want him. Not to mention that the more aggressive the deck, the more likely this guy will cost more to cast from the yard. The "no block" clause is really random, really. He's not all that OP even if he can block, he's just pretty good in limited (and I think in terms of Limited powers, he's not terribly far over the line into Mythic). I definitely understand the disappointment at a card that seems like it only really has limited applications, and being in the Mythic slot so its never useful there. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Mar 5, 2015 |
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Mar 5, 2015 00:40
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Angry Grimace posted:The "no block" clause is really random, really. He's not all that OP even if he can block, he's just pretty decent in limited. I don't know how to evaluate that card. His abilities feel at cross-purposes. I really wish he wasn't a lord and had some form of evasion instead, but maybe he'll be sweet.
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Mar 5, 2015 00:42
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That's just kind of a staple of Zombie cards and probably just a nod to flavor.Spiderdrake posted:I don't know how to evaluate that card. His abilities feel at cross-purposes. I really wish he wasn't a lord and had some form of evasion instead, but maybe he'll be sweet. The lord ability and the cast from the graveyard ability seem to be at slight odds with one another, but it sort of feels like one half is aimed at constructed and the other limited, which is interesting.
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Mar 5, 2015 00:42
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Spiderdrake posted:Black stuff that can repeatedly come back from the graveyard tends to have that clause. Bloodghast, Gravecrawler, Bloodsoaked Champion, etc, unless I'm remembering wrong. That makes sense, I suppose. But its pretty expensive to bring him back and those guys are all cheapie weenies. rabidsquid posted:That's just kind of a staple of Zombie cards and probably just a nod to flavor. Is it? I normally see it on the cheaper black aggro cards (rather than zombies in particular), which this doesn't seem like.
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Mar 5, 2015 00:44
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forbidden lesbian posted:Zombie Lord is an easy first pick tho... Yeah it's a good card for limited and though I'm skeptical about its constructed use outside EDH, you can't ever really ignore perpetually recurrable creatures. It's just boring as poo poo is all. There's no mythic pop to it.
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Mar 5, 2015 00:45
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I think this may be the set that gets me into EDH
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Mar 5, 2015 00:46
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Yeah it's a good card for limited and though I'm skeptical about its constructed use outside EDH, you can't ever really ignore perpetually recurrable creatures. I don't think he's exciting either, it's just, man, comparing it to Archangel's Light, it just feels too brutal, you know.
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Mar 5, 2015 00:51
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I'd really like to see tribal creatures get printed where the reaction is "wow that gives me a new angle to play this tribe" rather than just "okay is this guy that makes my guys bigger better than the worst guy that makes my guys bigger? If so, what's the impact on my curve?"
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Mar 5, 2015 00:54
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Recurring creatures is fun; gumming up the ground with infinite chump blockers who can never be killed is not. Wizards learned that lesson with Nether Spirit, then they forgot and got a refresher with Kitchen Finks. That's why they design all these cheap recursive guys to be bad on defense.
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Mar 5, 2015 00:56
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That Executioner would have been a lot more interesting (and maybe really mythic-worthy) if it had Delve instead of "can't block."
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Mar 5, 2015 00:57
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Obviously the zombie lord is secretly telling you the deck tech for warrior tribal: Empty the Pits.
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Mar 5, 2015 00:58
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I'm kinda curious about him in cube honestly. If you support pox/stax he definitely is appealing especially since the 4 slot isn't the strongest and he's serviceable in black aggro. Also zombie is probably the most supported "tribe" thanks to gravecrawler. Worth testing at least.
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Mar 5, 2015 00:59
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Prediction: Bloodsoaked Champion becomes even better now with Exploit. More Exploit spoilers please.
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Mar 5, 2015 01:00
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forbidden lesbian posted:I don't think he's exciting either, it's just, man, comparing it to Archangel's Light, it just feels too brutal, you know. I wasn't playing then but you made me look it up, and then the comments on Gatherer referred me to Gnaw To The Bone, and holy poo poo Archangel's Light is a horrible, horrible card
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Mar 5, 2015 01:01
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Doug Beyer also confirms that Narset is written to be somewhere on the autism spectrum in her Uncharted Realms story.quote:hi doug!! reading the new uncharted realms, i felt an enormous amount of sympathy for narset, specifically with reference to the beginning sequence with her as a kid. the restlessness, the sensory overload, the self-distraction with counting and observation - these, to me, heavily code narset as being autistic. i am autistic myself and it would mean the absolute world to me to know that a character in a game i care deeply about is like me, and many other folks. is this something you can confirm?
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Mar 5, 2015 01:01
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Archangel's Light was meant to have another effect (unrevealed, since apparently they might try it again some time), but they decided it didn't play well at a very late stage and had to come up with another effect that fitted the art. They made it incredibly shite to be safe, I guess.
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Mar 5, 2015 01:05
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Looking for some opinions on Monastery Mentor, I have one and some other white and red stuff that I could build a standard deck around but I don't want to invest in 1-3 more if it's not going to be a staple in decks that I play white in or hold its value.
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Mar 5, 2015 01:11
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Corte posted:Looking for some opinions on Monastery Mentor, I have one and some other white and red stuff that I could build a standard deck around but I don't want to invest in 1-3 more if it's not going to be a staple in decks that I play white in or hold its value. Unless you're playing Jeskai Tokens it's one of those cards you could play, or you could replace it for another powerful 3-drop depending on your preference. Definitely not a must have in the R/W deck.
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Mar 5, 2015 01:12
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Corte posted:Looking for some opinions on Monastery Mentor, I have one and some other white and red stuff that I could build a standard deck around but I don't want to invest in 1-3 more if it's not going to be a staple in decks that I play white in or hold its value. I don't think it will go under $10-15 while its in Standard simply because its raw power is so high and its a Mythic in a small set. Its a bit like Goblin Rabblemaster with a higher ceiling, but doesn't do much on its own the way Rabble does. Right now, in a R/W deck he's probably just worse than Brimaz, King of Oreskos (which is a similar card in terms of cost, color, power, but Brimaz sees limited play in other formats) Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Mar 5, 2015 |
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Mar 5, 2015 01:13
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Man, what a bummer that allied fetches aren't in DTK. Isn't it MaRo that's always talking about people loving pattern completion? Well, MaRo -- here's a pattern you guys didn't complete...
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Mar 5, 2015 01:13
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Dungeon Ecology posted:Man, what a bummer that enemy fetches aren't in DTK. Isn't it MaRo that's always talking about people loving pattern completion? Well, MaRo -- here's a pattern you guys didn't complete... I think they just don't want 10 different shuffling lands around, at least not while three-color decks are running rampant.
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Mar 5, 2015 01:16
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goferchan posted:I wasn't playing then but you made me look it up, and then the comments on Gatherer referred me to Gnaw To The Bone, and holy poo poo Archangel's Light is a horrible, horrible card What we got was a last minute replacement for something else.
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Mar 5, 2015 01:21
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Dungeon Ecology posted:Man, what a bummer that allied fetches aren't in DTK. Isn't it MaRo that's always talking about people loving pattern completion? Well, MaRo -- here's a pattern you guys didn't complete... I'm just seeing a pattern of never printing more than 5 fetches in a block, personally.
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Mar 5, 2015 01:24
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Cernunnos posted:What we got was a last minute replacement for something else. The funny part is that when that happens, they are usually stuck with the art and have to invent a card that fits the art, rather than the other way around. See also, Warleader's Helix.
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Mar 5, 2015 01:25
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Cernunnos posted:What we got was a last minute replacement for something else. That's like truly incredible though, way worse than the lovely Selesnya lady in DGM -- it's basically a sorcery-speed version of a card in the previous set, except it cost 5 more mana, and its extra ability could just as easily be seen as a downside in a set with flashback and stuff. Wow, wow, wow
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Mar 5, 2015 01:25
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Angry Grimace posted:The funny part is that when that happens, they are usually stuck with the art and have to invent a card that fits the art, rather than the other way around. See also, Warleader's Helix. Warleader's Helix is like, the least inventive reinvention ever lol
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Mar 5, 2015 01:30
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Angry Grimace posted:Doug Beyer also confirms that Narset is written to be somewhere on the autism spectrum in her Uncharted Realms story. She didn't seem like it before, I guess dragons cause autism
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Mar 5, 2015 01:31
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goferchan posted:That's like truly incredible though, way worse than the lovely Selesnya lady in DGM -- it's basically a sorcery-speed version of a card in the previous set, except it cost 5 more mana, and its extra ability could just as easily be seen as a downside in a set with flashback and stuff. Wow, wow, wow They probably should have bumped another rare to mythic for no real reason, but at least at Mythic you never had to see that piece of crap. forbidden lesbian posted:Warleader's Helix is like, the least inventive reinvention ever lol The problem is that they had to make a Boros guild card featuring art that looks exactly like iconic Boros guild card Lightning Helix. On the plus side, Warleader's still saw play in burn, so they didn't fail nearly as bad.
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Mar 5, 2015 01:31
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Yeah Warleader's Helix is actually a completely fairly costed card, even if it's a bit uninspired. Better than having a ludicrously unplayable mythic.
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Mar 5, 2015 01:38
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ungulateman posted:I really hope there's an "Exile target Dragon" removal spell at uncommon or that G/W dude is going to be almost literally impossible to beat in limited. He's already going to because he dodges all the far more playable cards in white that do exactly that but not limited to Dragons. edit; whoops, thats what happens when I don't refresh.
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Mar 5, 2015 01:42
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Traditionally how playable have these sort of abilities been? The Dragonspeaker reduction was a bit beefier. E:i guess it's effectively a worse, more expensive conditional elvish mystic that can eat goblin tokens
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Mar 5, 2015 01:49
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The art is hilarious on that card.
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Mar 5, 2015 01:51
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It's in red though, which doesn't usually get that kind of mana ramp. That into turn 3 Thunderbreak into turn 4 Stormbreath seems sweet as hell, although probably not reliable enough to really work.
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