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Sexpansion posted:There are like at least three amazing Korean players WFX could probably import from China if they were willing (or able) to pay them. They could probably get Flame for the right price for god's sake. This is something that has always puzzled me: Where do teams get their income? Is there any source that covers that sort of stuff in depth? I know that Riot pays a meager salary, but beyond that I have no clue how some of these orgs sustain themselves. Top teams can earn money from tournaments, and they probably sell a decent amount of merchandise, but what do the bottom tier organizations do to make money?
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Typical Pubbie posted:This is something that has always puzzled me: Where do teams get their income? Is there any source that covers that sort of stuff in depth? I know that Riot pays a meager salary, but beyond that I have no clue how some of these orgs sustain themselves. Top teams can earn money from tournaments, and they probably sell a decent amount of merchandise, but what do the bottom tier organizations do to make money? I think the majority of their money is from sponsorships and hosting sites in the case of LIquid/TSM/etc., but honestly it's not very transparent and it always seems like a surprising number of sponsors just give gear. I think a good bit is out of pocket as well. It seems like it's either people who are just really passionate and generally run into trouble if there team doesn't do well, or are wealthy enough to finance a big push from the get go (see: Curse, Jack Etienne with Crunchyroll). (eSports = not a good investment. I want to say the Gravity guy paid like ~80k for the team, which feels kind of silly). foutre fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Mar 5, 2015 |
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Mar 5, 2015 03:56
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Libertine posted:They should have just absorbed the better parts of Fusion along with Gleeb after Fusion failed out of the CS. I don't think Gleeb had ever looked like a good, or even decent player until recently. I feel he's played a surprisingly solid game as an LCS sub this season, but having said that Gleeb and Maknoon were embarrassingly horrific last we saw them on Fusion. Outside of a hindsight bias ignoring that and Gleeb's type 2 bipolar, I don't think you could look at the situation then and say either player was deserving of a spot on any LCS team. They were in meltdown for most of the expansion tournament where Nintendude and Nien (especially) almost managed to carry them through regardless. Unless the point here is that Winterfox could've done any lovely thing in the world and come out ahead compared to whatever they're doing right now. That may be 
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foutre posted:I think the majority of their money is from sponsorships and hosting sites in the case of LIquid/TSM/etc., but honestly it's not very transparent and it always seems like a surprising number of sponsors just give gear. I think a good bit is out of pocket as well. It seems like it's either people who are just really passionate and generally run into trouble if there team doesn't do well, or are wealthy enough to finance a big push from the get go (see: Curse, Jack Etienne with Crunchyroll). Riot provides salaries, which like you said, aren't that great on their own, but travel and housing are paid for by Riot separately with stipends that, from what I understand, don't come out of the salary pool. Without having to pay rent/travel, the salaries are at least livable amounts of money, and then can be augmented with streaming/sponsorships/etc and the additional prize money they get from tournaments. If you want to get rich off it though, you better be real good at streaming.
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Ihki posted:I don't think Gleeb had ever looked like a good, or even decent player until recently. I feel he's played a surprisingly solid game as an LCS sub this season, but having said that Gleeb and Maknoon were embarrassingly horrific last we saw them on Fusion. Outside of a hindsight bias ignoring that and Gleeb's type 2 bipolar, I don't think you could look at the situation then and say either player was deserving of a spot on any LCS team. They were in meltdown for most of the expansion tournament where Nintendude and Nien (especially) almost managed to carry them through regardless. Yeah I don't disagree, and hindsight is 20/20. The saddest thing of all might be that Gleeb is the actual best non-teamed NA support. And Fusion despite being a screetching trainwreck at the end of the Challenger Tournament was actually the very best team of players that didn't make it. Gleeb's WFX contract actually just expired so I think he's off the roster right now. There's not a terribly deep well of talent, and you can only import so much; so using your imports on ineffective players is actually the biggest blunder one can make in any kind of roster construction.
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Mar 5, 2015 04:06
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It's just so dumb that WFX's substitute was playing better in his two games than his replacement has all season. Even the game he lost with Winterfox he was still relevant enough to keep dueling anyone else on the team. When Avalon falls off he may as well be as useful as a caster minion.
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Mar 5, 2015 04:11
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NME played some nice teamfighting today - surprising that Innox makes a good mid but he was always pretty carry focused. Otter joins a select group in dying to red buff, and he isn't even a jungler!
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Mar 5, 2015 04:56
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Holy poo poo the ending to this F5 vs TSD is hilarious, watch this VoD everyone
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Jonny Angel posted:Holy poo poo the ending to this F5 vs TSD is hilarious, watch this VoD everyone Made me think I should watch more of the challenger series, ridiculous.
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Mar 5, 2015 05:00
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The fact that Rhux was able to do so much and not die was amazing. Not sure how much is skill and how much is sloppiness, but its hilarious either way!
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Libertine posted:Winterfox is a team that should be putting everything in place to compete for the top of the NA LCS, but instead they are just doing all the most head-scratching things to compete for the floor of the division. C9 Pobelter. Gets secretly swapped out for Hai wearing a Pobelter mask if they get Zed in draft.
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Mar 5, 2015 06:24
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Zerilan posted:C9 Pobelter. Gets secretly swapped out for Hai wearing a Pobelter mask if they get Zed in draft. C9 Pobelter with Hai moved to support and Lemon as Drafting Boss. Why can't it be? 
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Typical Pubbie posted:C9 Pobelter with Hai moved to support and Lemon as Drafting Boss. Why can't it be? Lemon got replaced by the coach for pick ban, so this would free up his time to look into hair loss solutions.
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Mar 5, 2015 07:10
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Why would they do that? The team has been very consistent for years now and switching roster would be insane since C9 has no real competition outside of TSM.
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rabidsquid posted:Lemon got replaced by the coach for pick ban, so this would free up his time to look into hair loss solutions. He (and phreak) keep their hair relatively short, which is the best thing balding men can do. I for one commend them for it
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Invalid Validation posted:Why would they do that? The team has been very consistent for years now and switching roster would be insane since C9 has no real competition outside of TSM. It matters if they want to make it to finals at worlds.
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Mar 5, 2015 07:21
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Yea I'm sure changing their roster so drastically would be the best decision. I mean look at all the teams it's worked out for.
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Mar 5, 2015 07:28
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I gotta say, watching Piglet stream CS:Go while waiting for his que to pop is a bit hilarious, with him trying to imitate the voices of the other players. "HAEEET YUU" being my favorite. Although he is having a TON of fun with the game it appears... not round based but rather looks like TDM Also his CS:GO name seems to be "PeacefulFrank"
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Calax posted:I gotta say, watching Piglet stream CS:Go while waiting for his que to pop is a bit hilarious, with him trying to imitate the voices of the other players. Watching piglet stream is interesting because when he sees another LCS adc in the game he turns it up to 11 and harasses them out of lane at level 1 as vayne when they are graves.
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GreyPowerVan posted:Watching piglet stream is interesting because when he sees another LCS adc in the game he turns it up to 11 and harasses them out of lane at level 1 as vayne when they are graves. Rivalries are arguably a bigger part of the game in Korea than in the West, especially seemingly with ADC's. Imp/Piglet obviously is the standout, but you hear rumours about them staying up all hours to beat other ADC's on the ladder and so on.
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Mar 5, 2015 11:38
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Caught up on the F5 games -- Veritas has some incredible mechanics, watching his jukes was really cool. That said, he makes some weird decisions. I think if they can get the rest of the team up to his level or close (rank 1 NA is I guess pretty exclusive to a single title-holder) and get tighter shotcalling I think they could be a real contender.
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NTT posted:Vayne's level 1 isn't actually that bad Particularly if you can use q to dodge an enemy damage spell and close range at the same time.
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I am cautiously optimistic after hearing that Elements has made Nyph their new head coach. Edit: To expand - I really think their coaching situation was their biggest problem. The team is obviously talented. I could see them settling very comfortably in 3rd - 4th range after this change, which really is the best they can hope for at this point in the split. Sexpansion fucked around with this message at 14:20 on Mar 5, 2015 |
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Sexpansion posted:I am cautiously optimistic after hearing that Elements has made Nyph their new head coach. It all depends on the team actually listening to his advice. Unless I'm misremembering, Nyph was always said to be great at strategy. If he can focus on that and actually get the team to listen to him then they might improve. Elements/Alliane have always had a problem of players being stubborn about not listening to coaches. I remember quotes from Froggen about how he doesn't need advice from someone that isn't Challenger or something close to that. Maybe they will listen to Nyph and improve but I'm very doubtful at least. If they're smart and just use the current split to work their main issues they still have a good chance to go to worlds.
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I don't know what to think about that. I never had a particularly high opinion of Nyph's strategic prowess, so this looks a bit like a continuation to the whole "The worst player on the team is replaced and made coach" way Western teams have looked at the coach role. Maybe he brings something to the table that adds a lot of value from a coaching position, but his (right?) shotcalling this season has been a trainwreck. Maybe he's a good addition to the social dynamic of the team where it seems difficult to even consider studying replays. Or maybe Elements just figured it's a thrifty business decision to keep him on for appearances' sake, as Nyph's contract has him on the payroll for an unknown period of time anyway.
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What the actual gently caress WFX. I'm pretty sure Imagine would be a better toplaner than Avalon at this point. Just implode the EG/Velocity/WFX org: C9 Pobelter, TSM Altec, the dream .
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Mar 5, 2015 15:57
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If you think Pobelter is better than Hai or Altec is better than Turtle, I have bad news for you.
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Mar 5, 2015 16:20
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I think it's a good decision to move Nyph to coaching. That way Elements can pull a Winterfox eventually 
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Lovechop posted:hai sucks I am willing to give C9 Throwbelter to guarantee TSM eternal reign over NA.
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Disinterested posted:If you think Pobelter is better than Hai or Altec is better than Turtle, I have bad news for you. Hai literally cannot play any champion besides Zed Turtle is alright but uninspiring and I just want to see Altec on a good team for once. edit news: Doa casting IEM!!! https://twitter.com/ggDoA/status/573500814225883136 archduke.iago fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Mar 5, 2015 |
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Mar 5, 2015 16:53
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if you are on the best team in your region it means you're also the best at whatever position you are
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Lovechop posted:if you are on the best team in your region it means you're also the best at whatever position you are noted: best midlaner kr ge kuro
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archduke.iago posted:edit news: Doa casting IEM!!! https://twitter.com/ggDoA/status/573500814225883136 YESSSSSSSSSSS
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I think Pobelter's better than Hai, tbh, but then there's the whole shotcalling problem again.
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Mar 5, 2015 17:02
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Pobelter has basically never done anything in pro play. He is a classic solo queue hero.
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archduke.iago posted:Turtle is alright but uninspiring https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVZ_TA7Ygow&feature=player_detailpage#t=305 Watch this laning phase and come back to me on that. This is seriously some of the absolute best ADC play ever, anywhere, from both sides. That Turtle manages to win that lane is a testament to how crazy good he is in the clutch and I don't know why that 'turtle is bad' meme keeps popping up. He really brings it when it counts.
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Disinterested posted:Pobelter has basically never done anything in pro play. He is a classic solo queue hero. We haven't really seen Pobelter on a team that would allow him to do that much I think. He started to look good at the end of last split on EG, and his stats haven't been that bad despite Winterfox's troubles - they're better than Hai at least. Maybe there's still some vestiges of the old Throwbelter but I don't see it as much as before.
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