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Rinkles posted:Traditionally how playable have these sort of abilities been? Yeah, I don't remember cards like this ever making an impact on standard. It's definitely going straight into my Atarka EDH deck, though.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:It's in red though, which doesn't usually get that kind of mana ramp. That into turn 3 Thunderbreak into turn 4 Stormbreath seems sweet as hell, although probably not reliable enough to really work. You either end up playing that guy T2 and curve out or play Dragon Tempest T2 and give your T4 Thunderbreak Haste and get some extra damage in.
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Rinkles posted:Traditionally how playable have these sort of abilities been? Goblin Warchief was pretty effective back in the day (and still sees some play in Legacy Goblins); the issue is that Goblins are already generally cheap to begin with and Shaman also gave them Haste.
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Cernunnos posted:You either end up playing that guy T2 and curve out or play Dragon Tempest T2 and give your T4 Thunderbreak Haste and get some extra damage in. Or you draw it on turn 6 and silently weep.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:It's in red though, which doesn't usually get that kind of mana ramp. That into turn 3 Thunderbreak into turn 4 Stormbreath seems sweet as hell, although probably not reliable enough to really work. Four Dragonlord's Servant, four Generator Servant, and four Dragon Tempest. The rest of the deck is just beefy Dagrons and removal.
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/\/\/\: If Stormbreaths weren't obscenely priced compared to the rest of the deck I'd probably build something like that just to dick around with.Starving Autist posted:Or you draw it on turn 6 and silently weep. I never said they were good or going to shake up standard. Just that they were "a thing you could do." Cernunnos fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Mar 5, 2015 |
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bhsman posted:Goblin Warchief was pretty effective back in the day (and still sees some play in Legacy Goblins); the issue is that Goblins are already generally cheap to begin with and Shaman also gave them Haste. On the other hand it really isn't that awful, but the earlier suggestion it might be a sb card is probably closer to expectations.
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A creature like that is extra vulnerable to the traditional problems of mana creatures (drawing them at the wrong time, drawing them but not the things you need the mana for) and they typically aren't very good unless they've got some other draw to them, like one of those goblin lords.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:It's in red though, which doesn't usually get that kind of mana ramp. That into turn 3 Thunderbreak into turn 4 Stormbreath seems sweet as hell, although probably not reliable enough to really work. The other side of that is red dosent usually want a 1/3 for 1R. Would have been better if he was 2/1
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Rinkles posted:Traditionally how playable have these sort of abilities been? Under the vanilla test, It blocks morphs and that's about all it has going for it
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Not any more! They're still 2/2s when they're face down.
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Not any more! MegaMorph still makes a facedown 2/2. They just get a +1/+1 counter when they flip. The creature is supposed to be a  secret and if MegaMorph made them 3/3s there wouldn't be much secret there.
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dragon enthusiast posted:Under the vanilla test, It blocks morphs and that's about all it has going for it Play green/red with it and drop an Elvish Mystic really. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Mar 5, 2015 |
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Mar 5, 2015 02:38
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The Nastier Nate posted:The other side of that is red dosent usually want a 1/3 for 1R. Would have been better if he was 2/1
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Cernunnos posted:MegaMorph still makes a facedown 2/2. They just get a +1/+1 counter when they flip. Also a face-down card is a 2/2 regardless of how it's turned face-down, why it's face-down, or anything. To make Megamorphs be 3/3 would be to fundamentally change how face-down cards work.
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Mar 5, 2015 02:57
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That's not happening and you know it.
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Count Bleck posted:That's not happening and you know it. Even if it's not Force of Will proper, I could see them trying a free counter variant that plays homage to it. Especially in the block that brought us Treasure Cruise.
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Looks more like a Dismiss to me.
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I don't know, if I'm going to see this an a homage to a specific counterspell (and not just generic "Thing Makes A Shield And Doesn't Give A poo poo" counterspell art) it would be Not Of This World.
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Reminds me of Dismiss, but i think it is probably a homage to Laquatus's Disdain or Condescend. It does not resemble Force of Will in the least, not even in tone.
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Niton posted:Even if it's not Force of Will proper, I could see them trying a free counter variant that plays homage to it. Especially in the block that brought us Treasure Cruise. Force of Will that requires you to exile a white card
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Mar 5, 2015 03:56
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"Blocking a spell with a magical barrier non-nonchalantly" is a fairly common counterspell motif.
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Kabanaw posted:"Blocking a spell with a magical barrier non-nonchalantly" is a fairly common counterspell motif. Yeah, there's no reason to suspect it's a reprint at all. For all we know it's this set's iteration of the 5 mana counterspell you only play when you have to in limited.
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Mar 5, 2015 03:59
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It's definitely Force of Will, and they're going to spoil it along with the Wasteland reprint which is also assuredly in this set.
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It's definitely the announcement of Purple Mana.
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forbidden lesbian posted:Force of Will that requires you to exile a dragon card
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Kabanaw posted:"Blocking a spell with a magical barrier non-nonchalantly" is a fairly common counterspell motif. It's a fairly common motif, I admit, but I wouldn't be surprised if the artist used the Judge Force of Will as inspiration for the piece at all. As a bonus, Ojutai goes from looking incredibly powerful to hilariously smug and dismissive if you flip the art:  "Heh, that spell? That's nothing  "
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Spiderdrake posted:Reminds me of Dismiss, but i think it is probably a homage to Laquatus's Disdain or Condescend. It does not resemble Force of Will in the least, not even in tone. I'm definitely not an art critic and don't know how to describe the tone of a picture, but I just looked at it and saw a circular barrier turning away a laser blast or something. Sorry I was wrong about art! forbidden lesbian posted:Force of Will that requires you to exile a white card I like your tone.
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It has nothing to do with being an "art critic". Both FoW arts are desperate concentration. This is like, Ojutai farts and coincidentally dismisses a spell as he wafts it away.
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gently caress it, reprint Force and immediately ban it in Modern. 
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Also, for what it's worth, art like that does a good job of making Ojutai and crew feel like Elder Dragons and not just "Legendary Dragons with the Elder Subtype for some reason". The dude doesn't even need to stop polishing his nails to completely thwart a kill spell pointed at himself.
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I will be disappointed if that FOW isn't uncommon. It was already hard enough to get the 12 I have and I want more - it being rare or mythic would be even worse.
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Attorney at Funk posted:It's definitely Force of Will, and they're going to spoil it along with the Wasteland reprint which is also assuredly in this set. I can't believe they're reprinting Yawgmoth's Will
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Finally won a Modern tournament, even if the turnout was only 18 peeps. Beat out over R/G aggro, Burn, Ad Nauseam and Junk in that order as Merfolk  Mainboarding Spreading Seas is great because it can really screw people out of that second/third color, and it means you'll almost always be able to swing unchallenged (RG couldn't play any red and missed GG costs left and right, while the Junk player Decay'd a Seas only to see another one the next turn. In spite of their getting out a Phyrexian Unlife, I didn't even realize I was playing Ad Nauseam until they combo'd out the second game. The only feeling better than Spell Piercing a Lotus Bloom when your opponent didn't realize it could be countered is Remanding it 
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forbidden lesbian posted:I can't believe they're reprinting Yawgmoth's Will personally I'm shocked that they're reprinting Bargain no, not Yawgmoth's Bargain, this one
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forbidden lesbian posted:I can't believe they're reprinting Yawgmoth's Will *Silumgar's Will
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Spiderdrake posted:It has nothing to do with being an "art critic". Both FoW arts are desperate concentration. This is like, Ojutai farts and coincidentally dismisses a spell as he wafts it away. I'm sorry I didn't go to college for Art Degree and I'm just a simple man who loves counterspells!
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