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like, everyone posted:dude Mike Turner's been dead for seven years Shows what I know. I don't read superhero comics.
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Its okay, death never lasts in superhero comics.
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Mar 5, 2015 05:00
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SynthOrange posted:Its okay, death never lasts in superhero comics. That's one reason why I don't read them. But I still feel like a jerk now 
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Mar 5, 2015 05:09
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Since you're not one of the 4 people who lined up to tell you who drew the thing that has the artist's name prominently at the top I don't think you should necessarily feel like the jerk here.
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Mar 5, 2015 05:15
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FredMSloniker posted:
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Mar 5, 2015 10:57
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Star Man posted:When is that scratchy, sketchy kind of line drawing going to finally go away? It can be already considered gone since the dedicated traditional media inkers are a dying breed and most artists are doing their own inking in MangaStudio.
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Mar 5, 2015 12:29
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fatherboxx posted:It can be already considered gone since the dedicated traditional media inkers are a dying breed and most artists are doing their own inking in MangaStudio. Yeah, but you can still do that in MangaStudio. Just because you don't have the imperfections of line you get with ink on the texture of paper doesn't mean you can't still draw like that.
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Mar 5, 2015 12:32
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There was more care and good anatomy put into that drawing of Bill Gates then of the half naked lady. What is going on with this world.
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Mar 5, 2015 15:16
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Anora posted:There was more care and good anatomy put into that drawing of Bill Gates then of the half naked lady. If Bill had big tits and a great rear end, they would have drawn him differently. Edit: I think this might be on-topic.  Superheroes reimagined with realistic body types prefect fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Mar 5, 2015 |
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Mar 5, 2015 15:20
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Anora posted:There was more care and good anatomy put into that drawing of Bill Gates then of the half naked lady. I'm fairly sure it's a trace or at least heavily referenced from a picture he took in that actual pose. Edit: Yeah, found with a few seconds of googling. 
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Mar 5, 2015 21:26
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If anything that's a good argument in favor of tracing. 
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Mar 5, 2015 21:29
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Why is using reference taboo in comics?
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Mar 6, 2015 01:19
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It's not, many great comic artists use references, but incompetent tracing has given references in general a bad name.
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Mar 6, 2015 01:23
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prefect posted:Edit: I think this might be on-topic. Y'know, I'm all in favor of this as a concept but in practice all this page turns out to be is "thin out the muscles, soften the belly, reduce the breasts" in all their examples, including for Iron Man which just makes no real sense.
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Mar 6, 2015 01:24
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MY ABACUS! posted:Why is using reference taboo in comics? There is a difference between reference photos (Tony Harris) and lightbox tracing (Greg Land).
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Mar 6, 2015 01:25
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When it's done too blatantly, you can provoke the Uncanny Valley effect, which is a big turnoff to many viewers. It's also very distracting if the reference material is very recognizable, like a lot of Land's stuff, and when it's just low-effort photoshop filter poo poo like Greg Horn puts out.
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Mar 6, 2015 01:25
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mind the walrus posted:Y'know, I'm all in favor of this as a concept but in practice all this page turns out to be is "thin out the muscles, soften the belly, reduce the breasts" in all their examples, including for Iron Man which just makes no real sense. I mean, it was done by an anti-bulimia organization so...
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mind the walrus posted:Y'know, I'm all in favor of this as a concept but in practice all this page turns out to be is "thin out the muscles, soften the belly, reduce the breasts" in all their examples, including for Iron Man which just makes no real sense. Power Girl without comically huge tits actually looks like a human being, so hey. Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Mar 6, 2015 |
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Mar 6, 2015 01:29
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Which comic artist was actually known for tracing pin-ups and porn?
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Tracula posted:Which comic artist was actually known for tracing pin-ups and porn? Greg Land
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Mar 6, 2015 01:33
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Lurdiak posted:Power Girl without comically huge tits actually likes like a human being, so hey. This is true. Tracula posted:Which comic artist was actually known for tracing pin-ups and porn? Greg Land is most infamous for doing it so poorly and obviously, but I'm sure there are plenty of artists who have referenced porn in a non-blatant way that has gone unnoticed.
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Mar 6, 2015 01:33
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I've traced from photographs before in my own digital work. I also shot the photos I was tracing from.
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Mar 6, 2015 01:36
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Alex Ross is also held-up by casual fans as like the god of comics art because he draws Silver Age poo poo in a Norman Rockwell style and his books often feature entire pages dedicated to showing how he uses reference photos.
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mind the walrus posted:Alex Ross is also held-up by casual fans as like the god of comics art because he draws Silver Age poo poo in a Norman Rockwell style and his books often feature entire pages dedicated to showing how he uses reference photos. Just like Norman Rockwell.
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Lurdiak posted:Power Girl without comically huge tits actually looks like a human being, so hey. The Power Girl revamp is one of the very few of those that I don't dislike, most of them are "what if Ubergirl was actually really fat...?" e: I credit Conner's really charming skillfully-drawn base though Flesh Forge fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Mar 6, 2015 |
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Mar 6, 2015 01:49
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I'm not a huge comics fan but for some reason I always think of Amanda Waller's old design vs her new one as how to totally gently caress up a character.
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Mar 6, 2015 01:54
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It seems weird to go after super heroes for being fit because it'd be a bad idea to fight crime for a living and not keep in shape. Sure, there are some artists who exaggerate too much, but it's not like someone who can lift a car is going to have a spare tire.
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Mar 6, 2015 01:57
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I mean ok, there's a valid criticism of a lot of portrayals of the human form in comics, but "let's draw superheroes with back fat and potbellies and huge muffin-tops" is probably not the ideal way to improve things.
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Mar 6, 2015 02:00
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Tracula posted:I'm not a huge comics fan but for some reason I always think of Amanda Waller's old design vs her new one as how to totally gently caress up a character. Preaching to the choir, but if DC knew how to manage their characters then they wouldn't be DC at this point.
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Mar 6, 2015 02:03
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MY ABACUS! posted:Why is using reference taboo in comics? I always question how taboo it is. I get that in the comic artist community it is seen as hack work but there are comic fans who eat that stuff up and love it.
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mind the walrus posted:Y'know, I'm all in favor of this as a concept but in practice all this page turns out to be is "thin out the muscles, soften the belly, reduce the breasts" in all their examples, including for Iron Man which just makes no real sense. Honestly, this is my "problem" with Alex Ross. Don't get me wrong, Ross is an incredible artist, amazingly talented, perhaps among the most talented comic book artists of all time. But he does use realistic body images and types and to me it can look like cosplayers. I like a little stylization in my comic book art. There's a reason that costumes that look amazing on the pages don't look great when they try to adapt them to live action, and that's because comic book characters are built differently than irl people are.
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That's why fans splooge so hard over him though, because he makes their heroes look "real" and "classy" and "respectable."
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Flesh Forge posted:CRRRRRRRRRRACK 
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Mar 6, 2015 16:21
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mind the walrus posted:That's why fans splooge so hard over him though, because he makes their heroes look "real" and "classy" and "respectable." That's being super reductive. I'm not the biggest Alex Ross fan, but his art fits the tone of those stories perfectly. There's plenty room in superhero comics to have different takes on what those dumb costumes would realistically look like.
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Hakkesshu posted:That's being super reductive. I'm not the biggest Alex Ross fan, but his art fits the tone of those stories perfectly. There's plenty room in superhero comics to have different takes on what those dumb costumes would realistically look like. Also, you have to respect how he sets (set? I assume he still does) up all those reference photo shoots himself, to see how light falls on the cloth and whatnot.
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Hakkesshu posted:That's being super reductive. I'm not the biggest Alex Ross fan, but his art fits the tone of those stories perfectly. There's plenty room in superhero comics to have different takes on what those dumb costumes would realistically look like.
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Hakkesshu posted:That's being super reductive. I'm not the biggest Alex Ross fan, but his art fits the tone of those stories perfectly. There's plenty room in superhero comics to have different takes on what those dumb costumes would realistically look like. I am an Alex Ross fan though, I'm speaking firsthand why I and most people I've met like his art and why they fit those stories, I'm just not gussying it up with market-friendly terms that disguise the pretension inherent in Ross' presentation. That's not to say he's pretentious or that his work doesn't fit his most well-known stories, but seriously a big reason why he's so beloved is that you can show him to anyone but fine art snobs and they'll appreciate the artistry regardless of subject matter, which you can't say for a lot of genuinely great artists like Frank Quitely or Mark Bagely who specialize in serial storytelling to the exclusion of mainstream accessibility. Then on top of that you put words in my mouth that I'm somehow arguing against variety or realism in superhero art? The gently caress? redbackground posted:Also, you have to respect how he sets (set? I assume he still does) up all those reference photo shoots himself, to see how light falls on the cloth and whatnot. I don't think anyone here said they didn't.
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mind the walrus posted:I don't think anyone here said they didn't.
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Yeah no one is saying that Alex Ross isn't worthy of respect of admiration, but we all have our favorite guys and Ross just isn't one of mine. Also he is super aggressive with his lighting choices, so many of his pieces look like the people are standing under 10000 watt floods.  Like, see that little chub under Superman's chin there? That's realistic and even the most cut irl dudes are going to have that when they put their heads down a bit. But even guys like Immonen or Cassady who tend more towards photorealism more than most aren't going to do that, because it makes them look fattish. But even Cassady's guy's can look shlubby from a bad angle:  This is one of my favorite sequences of all time but from this angle, despite how cut Scott is, he looks kind of short and dumpy. It's all the angle, but people just look bad when photographed from some angles.  Anyway, my thesis here I guess is that, for my tastes, my favorite guys walk the line between realism and stylization and find that balance really well, while guys like Ross on one end and Bachalo/Ramos on the other, while still amazingly competent and talented, aren't going to be on my top 10 list. (Also I really don't like Ross' costume choices, I hate the stretched out Tshirt look he always puts on Superman)
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MY ABACUS! posted:It seems weird to go after super heroes for being fit because it'd be a bad idea to fight crime for a living and not keep in shape. Sure, there are some artists who exaggerate too much, but it's not like someone who can lift a car is going to have a spare tire. In fairness, while this holds true for the men on that page (roughly), the women depicted by and large originally didn't look fit, they looked like Barbies. Also: a lot of really strong people "look" fat, if you check out some pro weightlifters their physique is often closer to the afters on those images than the befores. You need a lot of calories to feed all that muscle.
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