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site posted:The fact the the doj would have to sue them is disgusting.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Looking up "consent decree", it means the police would not have to admit they did wrong? What is THIS poo poo? To be fair abiding by a consent agreement is admitting you're wrong in all but saying it.
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site posted:The fact the the doj would have to sue them is disgusting. I mean, out of all the mechanisms for federal oversight, giving DOJ the ability to sue hasn't been the worst. At least DOJ can do something.
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Mar 5, 2015 05:26
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Nintendo Kid posted:To be fair abiding by a consent agreement is admitting you're wrong in all but saying it. Though I still don't understand why a local PD is asked to negotiate with the feds at all. Do state governments get to negotiate with the federal government in how much they follow the US constitution?
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Mar 5, 2015 05:27
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Samurai Sanders posted:Is them not saying it such an essential part of the negotiation? Well call it Congress.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Is them not saying it such an essential part of the negotiation? Yes.
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Whichever moron decided that the FBI has "no police power" is retarded and doesn't get the fact the federal trumps state.
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site posted:Whichever moron decided that the FBI has "no police power" is retarded and doesn't get the fact the federal trumps state.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Yeah, that's what I thought. I thought if local authorities ignored federal instructions then there was no negotiation, they just got taken over. Nah they get their day in court, just like when companies get taken over by the government. They always have the option to save the excess expenses involved in a lawsuit by just accepting it, I believe the chances of winning against the feds is ludicrously low.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Ah okay, so Ferguson will just be joining into an agreement with the DOJ that has benefitted (though I doubt they look at it that way) many other police departments before? I guess that's good. Systematic changes in our culture.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Nah they get their day in court, just like when companies get taken over by the government.  Hopefully you didn't mind that tag out in the drug thread but those guys were wtf
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So what happens when state is unable to produce emails that are verified to have taken place?quote:I want the public to see my email. I asked State to release them. They said they will review them for release as soon as possible. Still probably the best stance possible all things considering.
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Mar 5, 2015 06:51
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Only email singular Hillary? What do you have to hide? Don't hide from me, my next question concerns Whitewater!
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Trabisnikof posted:So what happens when state is unable to produce emails that are verified to have taken place? Private subpoena for the results in her personal server from the House I'd imagine. Or a wildly inaccurate story that they continue to defend after it is proven false on one of their branded sites from Gawker.
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Fried Chicken posted:Private subpoena for the results in her personal server from the House I'd imagine. Or a wildly inaccurate story that they continue to defend after it is proven false on one of their branded sites from Gawker. Truly we are at a turning point in American history if this is #emailghazi rather than #emailgate.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:A related bill which would loosen regulations on industry scientists serving on EPA advisory boards while restricting academic scientists from using unpublished science on the same and mandating such boards respond to all public comments (regardless of quantity or quality) has also been issued a veto threat. Can the response just be "Thanks for your comment" displayed in big red letters when you click submit on their website, or is this verbal comments?
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Samurai Sanders posted:edit: does this only have to happen after bloody disasters though? Is there any way it can prevent them instead?
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Holy poo poo Ferguson PD plays the meow game except with citations: Evil shenanigans. A citation for referring to oneself as "Mike" instead of "Michael," holy poo poo. VVVVVVV InequalityGodzilla fucked around with this message at 07:37 on Mar 5, 2015 |
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Jesus you can scroll to pretty much any one of the 105 pages in the Ferguson report and find something terrible http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/ferguson_police_department_report.pdf 
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The Clinton's made Vince Foster disappear, scrubbing emails is trivial
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Meg From Family Guy posted:The Clinton's made Vince Foster disappear, scrubbing emails is trivial how is this a bad thing
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Mo_Steel posted:Can the response just be "Thanks for your comment" displayed in big red letters when you click submit on their website, or is this verbal comments? To quote the bill: quote:(1) To facilitate public participation in the advisory activities of the Board, the Administrator and the Board shall make public all reports and relevant scientific information and shall provide materials to the public at the same time as received by members of the Board. Most of the political wrangling and harassment of the EPA will be over what, exactly, qualifies as a "significant comment" and, presumably, using the advisory boards' responses to bludgeon the EPA as "disregarding" the clearly correct opinions of the public. It's also worth noting that the bill would also explicitly restrict these advisory boards from issuing policy recommendation of any sort. So expect these boards to become mealy mouthed "we could do this or we could do that" reporting entities. Also, with respect to the qualifications to serve on the boards, quote:(2) Each member of the Board shall be qualified by education, training, and experience to evaluate scientific and technical information on matters referred to the Board under this section. The Administrator shall ensure that-- What's that? You're a climate scientist who has done some research on global warming that hasn't been submitted for peer review yet? Guess you'll have to sit this meeting out and let the industry shills who "aren't" working on global warming research lead the advisory board on this one!
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duz posted:Systematic changes in our culture. Which only happens after bloody disasters.
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site posted:Whichever moron decided that the FBI has "no police power" is retarded and doesn't get the fact the federal trumps state. That would be "the Constitution of the United States", and it's because "police power" doesn't mean what you think it means.
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Meg From Family Guy posted:The Clinton's made Vince Foster disappear, scrubbing emails is trivial Soooo... Vince Foster was the deficit all along!
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DemeaninDemon posted:Soooo... Vince Foster was the deficit all along!
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Samurai Sanders posted:A lawsuit against individuals or against the organization, so individuals can walk away and join other police departments with no problem? Possibly, but with at least the effect of ameliorating police abuses. The Las Vegas thing I was mentioning: quote:Las Vegas police shootings are trending down, and Metro reforms are on the rise. http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/federal-report-las-vegas-police-shootings-down-department-reforms I haven't had the chance to look through the report myself, are there a list of substantive recommendations for Ferguson police and criminal justice in the report? EDIT: There's also a pretty good This American Life on this. Shageletic fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Mar 5, 2015 |
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computer parts posted:Which only happens after bloody disasters. Unless they involve guns, of course.
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Quote of the morning, "I get the sense that maybe interpreting writing and humor is not his strong suit." ~ producer Mike Schur, on Rand Paul cancelling an appearance on Parks & Recreation over concerns of being linked to Ron Swanson.
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Joementum posted:Quote of the morning, "I get the sense that maybe interpreting writing and humor is not his strong suit." ~ producer Mike Schur, on Rand Paul cancelling an appearance on Parks & Recreation over concerns of being linked to Ron Swanson. ...Why wouldn't you want to be linked to Ron Swanson?
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RedQueen posted:Jesus you can scroll to pretty much any one of the 105 pages in the Ferguson report and find something terrible Man, gently caress white people.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:...Why wouldn't you want to be linked to Ron Swanson? Because he is extremely right wing and works actively to shut the government down. ... Wait why doesn't Rand Paul wan't to be linked to Ron Swanson?
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Gravel Gravy posted:Because he is extremely right wing and works actively to shut the government down. Ron Swanson loves and hordes gold. Wait a sec
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Hillary surrendered so quick, I bet it's like a double-reverse-secret sock puppet account full of things that make her look good to the general voting public, heh. Just email after email praising Israel, complaining about China and Russia, admitting her love of bacon and so on.
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greatn posted:Ron Swanson loves and hordes gold. Wait a sec He's a dragon? You figure him and Rand would be the best of friends then.
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She didn't really surrender. She's only instructing the State Department to release emails sent by her containing non-classified information. The email system was set up so that the Clinton allies could complain about Obama behind his back and none of that stuff was turned over to State.
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Joementum posted:She didn't really surrender. She's only instructing the State Department to release emails sent by her containing non-classified information. Along with the pro-bacon emails.
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Rubio is trying to stake out his position in the presidential race by being to only one to offer actual concrete ideas and bills we can look at, rather than hand waving op-eds and no-content speeches. It's a risky move Cotten, let's see how it work out for him! The center calculated that more than half the plan’s benefits would go to the richest fifth of taxpayers, in terms of income. One-fifth of the benefits would flow to the top 1 percent of taxpayers, the analysis said. In percentage terms, it found, the average federal tax rate would fall by about the same amount for the top 1 percent as for the middle class. Ooh, tough break for him Cotten. Hopefully he'll recover after this next water break
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ReindeerF posted:Hillary surrendered so quick, I bet it's like a double-reverse-secret sock puppet account full of things that make her look good to the general voting public, heh. Just email after email praising Israel, complaining about China and Russia, admitting her love of bacon and so on. Anything else would be classified or personal so...
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By the way, this was tucked away in a footnote of the DoJ report: "While not the focus of our investigation, the information we reviewed indicated that Ferguson’s efforts to retain qualified female and black officers may be compromised by the same biases we saw more broadly in the department, [...] In particular, while the focus of our investigation did not permit us to reach a conclusive finding, we found evidence that [the department] tolerates sexual harassment by male officers, and has responded poorly to allegations of sexual harassment that have been made by female officers.” I mean God drat son. Question isn't why Ferguson rioted, question is why didn't they riot sooner.
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