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neonnoodle
Mar 20, 2008

by exmarx
I use mine mostly for 2d animation and digital painting, and in that case I want the screen to be tilted slightly away from me like a drafting table or animation desk. One issue I have is that Wacom styluses have these teeny weeny tips that don't really reflect how I use real pencils. When I draw I tend to use the side of the pencil most often, and rarely do I ever use the tip portion. The tilt responsiveness of the drivers is great, but it's still a weird, unnatural grip.

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kefkafloyd
Jun 8, 2006

What really knocked me out
Was her cheap sunglasses

neonnoodle posted:

I use mine mostly for 2d animation and digital painting, and in that case I want the screen to be tilted slightly away from me like a drafting table or animation desk. One issue I have is that Wacom styluses have these teeny weeny tips that don't really reflect how I use real pencils. When I draw I tend to use the side of the pencil most often, and rarely do I ever use the tip portion. The tilt responsiveness of the drivers is great, but it's still a weird, unnatural grip.

The old Inutos 3 era 6D Art pen was really good for this. It had a big fat chisel nib. I really liked it a lot. The current Art Pen is just a standard pen with fatter nibs (or skinny chisel nibs).

neonnoodle
Mar 20, 2008

by exmarx

kefkafloyd posted:

The old Inutos 3 era 6D Art pen was really good for this. It had a big fat chisel nib. I really liked it a lot. The current Art Pen is just a standard pen with fatter nibs (or skinny chisel nibs).

UGH I know, I have one of these and it was the best but it's not compatible with anything anymore. The new art pen is hardly a proper replacement.

Xabi
Jan 21, 2006

Inventor of the Marmite pasty

Xabi posted:

How can I make surfing a nicer experience with a Wacom pen on a Mac with Safari? I can scroll by using one of the buttons on the pen, but I'd like a nice way (swiping?) to go back and forth in Safari. I'm pretty sure it used to work flawlessly on a PC.
No one knows?

Frown Town
Sep 10, 2009

does not even lift
SWAG SWAG SWAG YOLO

Xabi posted:

No one knows?

I couldn't find anything with swipe gestures on the pen itself - poked around the Apple "Ink" business for some gestures but wasn't finding anything reasonable (if you do some digging it might theoretically be possible to program gestures, but this seemed like too much effort to me). You can program one clicker to go back and the other to go forward within Safari itself, if you're ok with losing a right click (I'm decidedly not ok with this). Maybe there's a better way, and I'd love to hear it!

My recommendation is to just use keyboard hotkeys to navigate Safari: cmd + right or left arrow will bring you forward or back in your browser. Space to scroll down, shift-space to scroll up. Not helpful advice on the pen front, but you're presumably using a keyboard to surf the web anyways, and those hotkeys have personally made my browser surfin better than loving with my pen settings.

FWIW: I have three monitors and I've set my pen up to do Right Click and Display Toggle.

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Unrelated: I'm making some basic attempts to unstick the bright green pixel in the center of my display before I get super serious about an RMA from B&H. I've experienced plenty of random stuck/dead pixels (normally no more than one) in the newer Cintiqs - does a single stuck pixel seem like grounds for a return/replacement? IMO it's kind of ridiculous that such an expensive monitor would every ship with this kind of defect, but I worry that my replacement will also have a stuck pixel. I'm wondering if I can negotiate some kind of discount off my purchase price rather than sending it back, because I don't love the inconvenience of shipping huge boxes.

Frown Town fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Mar 2, 2015

i am harry
Oct 14, 2003

Tardigrade posted:

I finally went and got myself a shiny new Wacom tablet, and since then I've been stuck. I don't feel like I can produce a work of art just yet, jumping from traditional art into this headfirst. What are some good exercises to familiarize oneself with the workings of the tablet and digital brushes?

I watched a bunch of videos on http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/ by Ryan Church.

the_lion
Jun 8, 2010

On the hunt for prey... :D

kefkafloyd posted:

I would suggest looking at an Ergotron sit-stand arm. Frown Town's got one there on their 27HD. You can clamp it on to any desk or table and position the cintiq any way you want and use it standing up or sitting down.


neonnoodle posted:

Honestly the only way that working at a cintiq has ever been comfortable for me has been when I made a makeshift standing desk for it. But unfortunately I moved and don't have the same furniture anymore. :(

Working on it at a seated position is awkward and gets painful after a while.

mutata posted:

I think a good stand or arm is vital to working with these things. Being able to shift posture/position at will is really nice. The best all around position, though, is at a pretty steep angle, like a painting easel. That's the best you're gonna get. Anything else and you're hunching over like a mad scientist.


Good to know for future reference when I finally do this.
I tried my bosses once and I was sold on the pressure sensitivity, that's for sure.
Made me realise that tablets were the dumb way of doing it for me after so many years.


mutata posted:

Yiv review words

Sweet review, good info.

For the glass coating, maybe someone out there makes a screen protector thing you can put over it to get the resistance? I'm taking a stab in the dark here but I have a tempered glass super thin protector on my phone that does the job for example. I've heard surface pro guys do this.

I think the drivers for OSX are in the same state: bit of fooling around involved.
Probably 80% osx and 20% windows for me at this stage, though that might switch in the future.
What sold me was that Frenden said there was actually less lag than a Cintiq.

Xabi
Jan 21, 2006

Inventor of the Marmite pasty

Frown Town posted:

I couldn't find anything with swipe gestures on the pen itself - poked around the Apple "Ink" business for some gestures but wasn't finding anything reasonable (if you do some digging it might theoretically be possible to program gestures, but this seemed like too much effort to me). You can program one clicker to go back and the other to go forward within Safari itself, if you're ok with losing a right click (I'm decidedly not ok with this). Maybe there's a better way, and I'd love to hear it!

My recommendation is to just use keyboard hotkeys to navigate Safari: cmd + right or left arrow will bring you forward or back in your browser. Space to scroll down, shift-space to scroll up. Not helpful advice on the pen front, but you're presumably using a keyboard to surf the web anyways, and those hotkeys have personally made my browser surfin better than loving with my pen settings.

FWIW: I have three monitors and I've set my pen up to do Right Click and Display Toggle.

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Unrelated: I'm making some basic attempts to unstick the bright green pixel in the center of my display before I get super serious about an RMA from B&H. I've experienced plenty of random stuck/dead pixels (normally no more than one) in the newer Cintiqs - does a single stuck pixel seem like grounds for a return/replacement? IMO it's kind of ridiculous that such an expensive monitor would every ship with this kind of defect, but I worry that my replacement will also have a stuck pixel. I'm wondering if I can negotiate some kind of discount off my purchase price rather than sending it back, because I don't love the inconvenience of shipping huge boxes.
Thanks a lot for the thorough answer! Too bad there doesn't seem to be a great pen solution, though.

Mimir
Nov 26, 2012
I picked up a Huion H610 a few months back. It worked fine for me initially, but now the USB port is loose and keeps disconnecting. (It's not the drivers or the cable, I've replaced both.) How's their customer support? Or should I just spring for a Wacom at this point if I don't want to have this happen a second time?

Andrigaar
Dec 12, 2003
Saint of Killers

Mimir posted:

I picked up a Huion H610 a few months back. It worked fine for me initially, but now the USB port is loose and keeps disconnecting. (It's not the drivers or the cable, I've replaced both.) How's their customer support? Or should I just spring for a Wacom at this point if I don't want to have this happen a second time?

Mine had some wiggle room from really shortly after I got it to maybe always having it. Not sure how bad yours is but if I rest mine on my lap or angled on the edge of a table without jostling the cable nothing really happens. If I'm fidgeting a bunch in my seat at the time, that's a constant unplug/replug because whenever it wiggles loose Windows plays both the disconnect and reconnect sounds and now the pen binds are all broken.

Funny, I carry it in my laptop bag for away use only, and I paid for the 2-year extended warranty with Amazon, but I've never capitalized on it. It was like $7-$9 for it.

Wezlar
May 13, 2005



I also picked up a Huion 610 a while ago and for the life of me I can't make the pressure sensitivity work. I got it working for a couple minutes once but then I restarted my computer and it stopped working again. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong and I've gone through a few things online and updated my drivers. I know it's probably a long shot but does anyone have any advice here?

bring back old gbs
Feb 28, 2007

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Wezlar posted:

I also picked up a Huion 610 a while ago and for the life of me I can't make the pressure sensitivity work. I got it working for a couple minutes once but then I restarted my computer and it stopped working again. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong and I've gone through a few things online and updated my drivers. I know it's probably a long shot but does anyone have any advice here?

Are you running Win8? It does screwy things but I think theres a way to disable the built-in touch stuff that can cause problems.

Wezlar posted:

Nah, Windows 7. One solution I found is apparently to uninstall every driver related to tablets both on the PC and tablet and then reinstalling the tablet drivers.

Which is a pain in my rear end so maybe I'll do it tomorrow :shrug:

Angels delivered Windows 7 on a golden thumbdrive, I'm not sure what the problem would be there. Everything should just sort of plug in and go. I hope an uninstall/reinstall gets it working for you.

bring back old gbs fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Mar 10, 2015

Wezlar
May 13, 2005



32MB OF ESRAM posted:

Are you running Win8? It does screwy things but I think theres a way to disable the built-in touch stuff that can cause problems.

Nah, Windows 7. One solution I found is apparently to uninstall every driver related to tablets both on the PC and tablet and then reinstalling the tablet drivers.

Which is a pain in my rear end so maybe I'll do it tomorrow :shrug:

Andrigaar
Dec 12, 2003
Saint of Killers
I didn't have that problem at all and I first tested the H610 on the PC I have my Cintiq on. Though the driver instructions said explicitly not to plug anything in until AFTER you install the drivers. I didn't tempt fate to find out why.

The only issue I had (other than a loose USB port :argh: ) was waiting the 6 months for Huion to find a way to support Sketchbook pro. There's a funny flag in the driver "Tablet PC Input" I think that Sketchbook needs on to work, but it also causes a deadzone among other annoyances in pretty much every other app. Also in Win8 you can't navigate anything with administrator level privilege on the tablet. But maybe that last one is true of a Wacom tablet too, can't say.

E: Cintiq is on the desktop running Win7, Huion I got for my laptop that runs Win8.

Andrigaar fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Mar 10, 2015

Prolonged Panorama
Dec 21, 2007
Holy hookrat Sally smoking crack in the alley!



I have a H610 and it works flawlessly (on Win7), but only if I plug it in after I start up Photoshop. If it's plugged in when PS starts up, it works but will mess up a lot, with the cursor randomly jumping around, the stylus reading as lightly pressed when it's not, etc. If you're leaving it plugged in all the time that might be your biggest problem.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
Anyone here know anything about the Ugee tablets? The 1910b is the same price as the cheapest monoprice cintique alternative but from the little info I've found they have better viewing angles, play better with multi monitor setups and are the only knockoff so far to have tilt recognition.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Does anyone know the LPI and pressure sensitivity of the Surface Pro 2? I'm looking for a tablet I can draw with on the go but I am damned if I can find this info anywhere whatsoever.

Alternatively, can anyone recommend a cheaper and/or better Windows alternative at <£500? I can get the Surface Pro 2 for £500, but I'd rather not fork out quite that much if possible.

bring back old gbs
Feb 28, 2007

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

Does anyone know the LPI and pressure sensitivity of the Surface Pro 2? I'm looking for a tablet I can draw with on the go but I am damned if I can find this info anywhere whatsoever.

Alternatively, can anyone recommend a cheaper and/or better Windows alternative at <£500? I can get the Surface Pro 2 for £500, but I'd rather not fork out quite that much if possible.

Surface Pro 2 pens have 1024 levels of sensitivity. No specs that list the LPI though.

Flipperwaldt posted:

Toshiba Encore 2 Write WT8PE-B264 8-Inch 64 GB Tablet has a Wacom Digitizer and is ~$350

Don't know anything about it, just plucked that from the OP of The Windows 8.1 tablet thread.

Don't see it on Amazon UK, so maybe you're hosed for availability.
Intel Atom though....

bring back old gbs fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Apr 3, 2015

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

Does anyone know the LPI and pressure sensitivity of the Surface Pro 2? I'm looking for a tablet I can draw with on the go but I am damned if I can find this info anywhere whatsoever.

Alternatively, can anyone recommend a cheaper and/or better Windows alternative at <£500? I can get the Surface Pro 2 for £500, but I'd rather not fork out quite that much if possible.
Toshiba Encore 2 Write WT8PE-B264 8-Inch 64 GB Tablet has a Wacom Digitizer and is ~$350

Don't know anything about it, just plucked that from the OP of The Windows 8.1 tablet thread.

Don't see it on Amazon UK, so maybe you're hosed for availability.

Yip Yips
Sep 25, 2007
yip-yip-yip-yip-yip
Surface Pro 4 announcement is around the corner. Looking forward to discovering what the dealbreaker for me will be this time.

Monday_
Feb 18, 2006

Worked-up silent dork without sex ability seeks oblivion and demise.
The Great Twist
The weak-rear end CPU I would assume.

Yip Yips
Sep 25, 2007
yip-yip-yip-yip-yip
Are we talking about the same Surface Pro? The CPUs are about as powerful as they can be for a tablet or laplet or whatever you want to call it.

Monday_
Feb 18, 2006

Worked-up silent dork without sex ability seeks oblivion and demise.
The Great Twist

Yip Yips posted:

Are we talking about the same Surface Pro? The CPUs are about as powerful as they can be for a tablet or laplet or whatever you want to call it.

Rumor has it the Pro 4 has a Broadwell Core M instead of the Haswell i3/i5/i7 in the Pro 3. That would make it slower than the Pro 2 and probably the original Pro as well.

bring back old gbs
Feb 28, 2007

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Monday_ posted:

Rumor has it the Pro 4 has a Broadwell Core M instead of the Haswell i3/i5/i7 in the Pro 3. That would make it slower than the Pro 2 and probably the original Pro as well.

"Hey how can we kill any goodwill we accidentally stumbled upon with the Surface Pro?"

"I don't know Bob, but people seem to be buying them for this 'wacom' thing we put in it. We could remove that."

"Hrmm that's a great start.... but I think we could do better..."

Yip Yips
Sep 25, 2007
yip-yip-yip-yip-yip
^ iirc the wacom tech was keeping them from making it thinner and lighter. From everything I've heard the ntrig works well so I'm ok with that trade.

Monday_ posted:

Rumor has it the Pro 4 has a Broadwell Core M instead of the Haswell i3/i5/i7 in the Pro 3. That would make it slower than the Pro 2 and probably the original Pro as well.

Overlooked that. Gross :(

Although this just popped up today which says it will not be the M model so hopefully it's accurate but who knows - http://www.neowin.net/news/spec-details-of-microsofts-new-surface-pro-4-reportedly-revealed

GATOS Y VATOS
Aug 22, 2002


drat, 27QHD Cintiqs seem to be rare as hen's teeth. By any chance does anyone here know of a place that sells Wacom products here in the San Francisco area?

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Why not use their online store?

GATOS Y VATOS
Aug 22, 2002


SynthOrange posted:

Why not use their online store?

Sold out everywhere it seems. I'd also like to try one out in person.

GATOS Y VATOS
Aug 22, 2002


Hmmm ok it seems like it's not actually out until early May according to online stores. I thought the QHD was already in the wild, but I guess those were just demo units.

neonnoodle
Mar 20, 2008

by exmarx
Yeah, that sucks. I waited a full year to get my hands on a 21UX back in the day, they have some supply chain problems and the demand is the same regardless. :(

Frown Town
Sep 10, 2009

does not even lift
SWAG SWAG SWAG YOLO

GATOS Y VATOS posted:

Hmmm ok it seems like it's not actually out until early May according to online stores. I thought the QHD was already in the wild, but I guess those were just demo units.

It's already out, think there are just supply issues.

Don't have any recommendations for in-person retailers, but I got mine from NY-based B&H Photo who told me they're expecting new units at the end of May. Have been doing a fun song and dance getting my 27 replaced (I've been through two units) because they've shipped with dead pixels and/or a hair/fiber under the glass, which is unacceptable imo for such an expensive unit. Fortunately their customer service and return/replacement policies are pretty good! I'd recommend them over buying from Wacom directly (who has furiously lovely customer service and apparently quality assurance).

GATOS Y VATOS
Aug 22, 2002


Frown Town posted:

It's already out, think there are just supply issues.

Don't have any recommendations for in-person retailers, but I got mine from NY-based B&H Photo who told me they're expecting new units at the end of May. Have been doing a fun song and dance getting my 27 replaced (I've been through two units) because they've shipped with dead pixels and/or a hair/fiber under the glass, which is unacceptable imo for such an expensive unit. Fortunately their customer service and return/replacement policies are pretty good! I'd recommend them over buying from Wacom directly (who has furiously lovely customer service and apparently quality assurance).

Thanks, I'm definitely on the B&H mailing list for when they get back in stock; I've heard nothing but good about them for years and years now. poo poo, sorry to hear about having to replace 2 units now, but I agree that you shouldn't accept such problems with them.

GATOS Y VATOS
Aug 22, 2002


Actually, is there any definitive word on when Wacom's new color calibrator is being released?

Arthil
Feb 17, 2012

A Beard of Constant Sorrow
So I've been thinking of getting a tablet to work with as I learn graphic design. So many people say to sketch out ideas and such, but I'd honestly have an easier time doing it straight on the computer and that's what I usually end up doing anyway. With the mouse.

I'd been recommended this in the past here but I just wanted to check and see if there might be a better choice for my first drawing tablet. I will say that the one I linked fits into my budget, I can't look towards something too much more expensive.

Strotski
Dec 29, 2013

Arthil posted:

So I've been thinking of getting a tablet to work with as I learn graphic design. So many people say to sketch out ideas and such, but I'd honestly have an easier time doing it straight on the computer and that's what I usually end up doing anyway. With the mouse.

I'd been recommended this in the past here but I just wanted to check and see if there might be a better choice for my first drawing tablet. I will say that the one I linked fits into my budget, I can't look towards something too much more expensive.
I would look towards this for that kind of money. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Huion-H610-Pro-Graphics-Compatible/dp/B00GIGGS6A
Beats bamboo that you linked, especially it being refurbished and all.

Arthil
Feb 17, 2012

A Beard of Constant Sorrow
Well... You're certain? Almost everything I've read up on tablets suggests that going with anything but a Wacom is asking for trouble. Looking at this page alone, and back a few pages as well things seem a little mixed. The biggest issue I've seen, or perhaps the most likely for me to encounter, is having to reinstall the drivers every time I use the tablet.

Prolonged Panorama
Dec 21, 2007
Holy hookrat Sally smoking crack in the alley!



I have an H610 and it's great. No problems with the drivers - Just follow the directions on the papers that come with the tablet. The only issue is that if I plug it in after I start up Photoshop my computer occasionally has trouble prioritizing the tablet as the input device over the mouse, and the cursor will freak out. I just keep it unplugged when not in use, and plug it in before I start PS. No problems then, and I can switch between using the tablet and the mouse. It has a bigger active area than the Wacom you linked, and twice the pressure sensitivity in the pen. Wacom is the industry leader by far, but their low tier products aren't anything special.

Arthil
Feb 17, 2012

A Beard of Constant Sorrow
I suppose given the price range it won't hurt too much, I'll just be sure to grab Amazon's warranty. Biggest issues seem to be... the software problem, you say it happens if you plug it in after starting Photoshop up and I've read people having the same problem but if they had it plugged in prior to opening the program.

Loose USB ports also seem to be a big bugbear, which is why I'll definitely get the additional warranty from Amazon so I can get it quickly replaced if anything like that happens. Those sorts of issues tend to be because of shipping rather than a fault with the product, anyway.

Monday_
Feb 18, 2006

Worked-up silent dork without sex ability seeks oblivion and demise.
The Great Twist
I've never used a Huion but I had a Monoprice once and it was garbage. I went back to Wacom and haven't regretted it.

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Yip Yips
Sep 25, 2007
yip-yip-yip-yip-yip
They seem to be hit or miss. I'm game for some troubleshooting and have good success doing it so I'd personally be willing to try a Huion. On the other hand if your #1 priority is that it works straight out of the box with zero effort (often the case for businesses and if you're buying it for someone else) you should probably just stick to Wacom.

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