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edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Follow-up on my previous post re: the resident dumb-gently caress of my form class - sent him to the Heads of House this morning, and it seems like he got a severe bollocking from them as well. He will be seeing them again in about an hour, but it seems parents will be called, meetings will be had and tears will be shed. He came to apologise to me and I told him that "maybe I'm not the one [he] needs to apologise to," and that the girl involved has every right in the world to hate him forever for what he did. I did catch up with her about 5 minutes ago and gave her a quick update on what's going on because she seemed nervous about being called in by the Heads of House, but I reassured her she has nothing to be worried about, that she shouldn't think she's done anything wrong because as far as we're aware, she hasn't, and that the kid will be coming to apologise to her later today or possibly tomorrow, but she has no obligation to forgive him, because as far as I'm concerned, that is entirely her call.

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Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.
Glad they're taking it seriously. Hopefully they underline that he'll be treated like a decent kid if he makes an effort to not be a poo poo heel.

klen dool
May 7, 2007

Okay well me being wrong in some limited situations doesn't change my overall point.

Vagabundo posted:

Follow-up on my previous post re: the resident dumb-gently caress of my form class - sent him to the Heads of House this morning, and it seems like he got a severe bollocking from them as well. He will be seeing them again in about an hour, but it seems parents will be called, meetings will be had and tears will be shed. He came to apologise to me and I told him that "maybe I'm not the one [he] needs to apologise to," and that the girl involved has every right in the world to hate him forever for what he did. I did catch up with her about 5 minutes ago and gave her a quick update on what's going on because she seemed nervous about being called in by the Heads of House, but I reassured her she has nothing to be worried about, that she shouldn't think she's done anything wrong because as far as we're aware, she hasn't, and that the kid will be coming to apologise to her later today or possibly tomorrow, but she has no obligation to forgive him, because as far as I'm concerned, that is entirely her call.

Is this high school? What is a "heads of house"? Has school changed that much since I left in 1996 that I don't even understand the lingo anymore?!?

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

What decile is the school? Not stirring poo poo, am honestly curious.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

klen dool posted:

Is this high school? What is a "heads of house"? Has school changed that much since I left in 1996 that I don't even understand the lingo anymore?!?

Like in Harry Potter

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
Winston's ahead in Northland

quote:

Northland byelection poll, 3 News Reid Research:
Winston Peters, NZ First: 35%
Mark Osborne, National: 30%
Willow-Jean Prime, Labour: 16%
Other/Don't know: 11%

and Gareth Hughes is standing for Greens co-leader

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

klen dool posted:

Is this high school? What is a "heads of house"? Has school changed that much since I left in 1996 that I don't even understand the lingo anymore?!?

It's a high school in Rotorua. The students at the school are separated into 1 of 5 houses (like, as Exclamation Marx said, in Harry Potter) of roughly equal size. Each house has two heads, one male and one female, because it's meant to act as sort of a colour-coded whanau who share the duties related to the job. For all intents and purposes, they're the deans, only instead of being responsible for a specific year-group, they look after what is roughly 1/5 of the student population from Y9~Y13. The specifics related to subject areas go to the HoDs (or Heads of Learning Areas), who also oversee heads of smaller departments (for example, I'm in the English Department, and I'm also HoD of Media Studies. I'm also the Media Studies department. This also means I'm spared tedious poo poo like HoD meetings) and things like which classes students go into are delegated to Academic Pathway Mentors responsible for specific year groups. The Heads of House also take care of discipline issues in-house.

The specific way the staff hierarchy is structured is apparently rather unusual. I have to admit I haven't seen this sort of thing before, but my school is generally one of the most successful in the Western Bay of Plenty and is well above the national average in our decile.



Slavvy posted:

What decile is the school? Not stirring poo poo, am honestly curious.

Decile 4, but it's a "split-the-difference" decile 4. We've got kids that are well-to-do and affluent, along with kids that are living in appalling poverty because the students are drawn from all over the city. For example, among the students I teach, I have the daughter of a now deceased local body politician that was once a candidate for the Rotorua Electorate a few elections ago (and probably would have been in the seat currently occupied by Te Ururoa Flavell) who lives a couple of streets over from me in a fairly affluent part of the city, and another student who's parents can't actually afford proper uniform.

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.
Is true that the Greens are telling people to vote or Winston because laffo it's that's true.

dusty
Nov 30, 2004

National has been caught out fiddling around in Northland

dusty fucked around with this message at 06:30 on Mar 5, 2015

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I rather have poo poo Stirrer Winston than any National candidate.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Oh yeah, I forgot to add that the dumbshit who gave out a girl's number without her knowledge or consent did so because she kicked him in the balls last year. For gently caress's sake. :ughh:

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

Butt Wizard posted:

Is true that the Greens are telling people to vote or Winston because laffo it's that's true.

Tbh it would be good for the opposition if he won, the government would need Dunne's vote to pass anything (a fact that Key was scaremongering about earlier :lol:)

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




Butt Wizard posted:

The real upside of the ChCh earthquake is we don't hear much from Kyle Chapman anymore.

If there was going to be a legitimate white-power nazi-based movement anywhere in NZ, it was bound to be in the South Island.

What? There already is. They murder Asian tourists on the west coast and flee like the pussies they are to their cosy chch pad

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Vagabundo posted:

Oh yeah, I forgot to add that the dumbshit who gave out a girl's number without her knowledge or consent did so because she kicked him in the balls last year. For gently caress's sake. :ughh:

Hahahahahahahahaaaa that is amazing!

Also:

oohhboy posted:

I rather have poo poo Stirrer Winston than any National candidate.

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

Let's not pretend that Northland will be any better off under Winston than it would be under a National MP, particularly given Winston's "one law for all" bullshit. Northland is such a perfect case study of why we need a Maori electoral roll.

So I'm not particularly happy about Winston being ahead in Northland, even if it costs National a seat. They're still going to get their bullshit through parliament anyway, Dunne isn't going to cross the floor on anything that the Nats really want.

This is kinda how I always feel about Winston though, maybe I need to get better at accepting him as the lesser of two evils.

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

fong posted:

This is kinda how I always feel about Winston though, he's always the lesser of two evils.

I'd rather take almost anyone over that dog-whistling old poo poo heel any day of the week. Sorry but the guy's party has no sane people from the top down, he launches scathing baseless attacks on immigrants and foreign investors, is often wrong when he does it and keeps getting free passes for it. Any time someone does actually call out his horseshit like the whole baubles of office affair, it's just a roll your eyes and go "That's Winston for you" affair.

People poo poo their pants when Key does something stupid (and when he doesn't) but Winston has had more brain farts than we've had collective hot dinners and Labour are still happy to work with him. It does my head in.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
Tracy Martin seems pretty reasonable, as do a couple of the new ones whose names I haven't learned.

Richard Prosser is an outright neo-nazi apologist though, and he's their #3

Lancelot
May 23, 2006

Fun Shoe

Exclamation Marx posted:

Gareth Hughes is standing for Greens co-leader
isn't he like 12 years old?

dusty
Nov 30, 2004

Butt Wizard posted:

I'd rather take almost anyone over that dog-whistling old poo poo heel any day of the week. Sorry but the guy's party has no sane people from the top down, he launches scathing baseless attacks on immigrants and foreign investors, is often wrong when he does it and keeps getting free passes for it.

Are you in for a treat then, the Winston express is gunna roll all over everything for the next few weeks. The Nat candidate is under instructions to say as little as possible, which means Winston will be wall to wall. Toot toot

Watch the master and learn, he's a genius at this poo poo.

Rejected campaign slogan: "Winston, serious about Northland and he's not kidding"

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

Exclamation Marx posted:

Tracy Martin seems pretty reasonable, as do a couple of the new ones whose names I haven't learned.

Richard Prosser is an outright neo-nazi apologist though, and he's their #3

This^

I don't know much about any of his new people, but I've met Tracy Martin and seen her speak a bunch of times and she's good.

Question: do people think Dunne would still have opposed the RMA reforms and/or deployment to Iraq if National depended on his vote to pass them?

Re: Gareth Hughes, he's hardly got a chance but having a contested leadership race will at least get the Greens into the headlines. Plus it'll get him more exposure, which can't hurt. He's good, despite his baby face.

voiceless anal fricative fucked around with this message at 10:00 on Mar 5, 2015

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Exclamation Marx posted:

Tracy Martin seems pretty reasonable, as do a couple of the new ones whose names I haven't learned.

With the exception of being against legalising prostitution, gay marriage and wanting to lift the drinking age from 18?

I mean I guess that's 'reasonable' if your idea of political conversation is sitting down with your parents for dinner every night and just agreeing with them. I'm sure she's a lovely person but I wouldn't want to live in her idea of what New Zealand should be. The world has moved on from that sort of stuff, but in a way I guess she's a really good fit for NZ First on that basis.

E: I don't know who it is at Victoria University but there's a photo on Facebook of Gareth Hughes with a bunch of students and I legitimately thought one of them was a time-travelling Rod Donald.

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free
To be fair, I wouldn't want to live in any politicians idea of what New Zealand "should" be.

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
Yeah it is kind of easy to occasionally get drawn in by Winston's constant trolling of National and populist rallying but they're easily the most openly racist party in parliament and the only one to undividedly vote against gay marriage

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
Have we actually come to a general conclusion about what New Zealand should be, like our politicians seem to have done?

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
New Zealand should be a trail blazer of socialist policy like it was in the old days, only with a more modern bent of excluding racism and colonialism from the deal, instead of a testing ground for neo liberal policy and lap dog of corporations/ bigger countries as it is now imo

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.
I dunno I'm sure it's probably capable to do both provided you're not obsessed with the 'steady as she goes' approach of never actually changing anything.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
Oh right, I forgot about our golden years.

So where would we start? Repeal the unpaid lunches/internships, have full disclosures on political donations, increase employee power vs employer power, reduce or even outright scrap our regressive taxes (Lookin' at you, GST) and implementing a far more outreaching income/NPBT tax policy?

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action

Butt Wizard posted:

I dunno I'm sure it's probably capable to do both provided you're not obsessed with the 'steady as she goes' approach of never actually changing anything.

I really don't think so, also if there's one thing that makes New Zealand New Zealand it's changing enormously very quickly due to very few limits placed upon the ruling party of the day to enact whatever changes they want

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.
I am fully on board with outlawing unpaid internships & full donation disclosure. That stuff is easily articulated and easily changed.

Broad concepts like 'increase employee power' isn't quite as straight forward.

swampland posted:

I really don't think so, also if there's one thing that makes New Zealand New Zealand it's changing enormously very quickly due to very few limits placed upon the ruling party of the day to enact whatever changes they want

I largely disagree with this, we're in the third term of a National Government and we still have WFF, Interest Free Student Loans and all the other poo poo they raged about in opposition like PPL. Labour, despite all their moaning about the 1984 reforms, never repealed a single one of them, and so on. It's technically possible but it's not really something that happens on a hugely regular basis and on a meaningful scale.

Butt Wizard fucked around with this message at 11:15 on Mar 5, 2015

whiter than a Wilco show
Mar 30, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
There's plenty of ways to increase employee power. One would be to scrap secondary employment tax rates. Another would be to make winz in any way approachable. Ban zero hour contracts and implement a ratio based salary cap.

whiter than a Wilco show fucked around with this message at 11:20 on Mar 5, 2015

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action

WarpedNaba posted:

Oh right, I forgot about our golden years.

So where would we start? Repeal the unpaid lunches/internships, have full disclosures on political donations, increase employee power vs employer power, reduce or even outright scrap our regressive taxes (Lookin' at you, GST) and implementing a far more outreaching income/NPBT tax policy?

Those would all be a drat good start really, also universal benefits and perhaps even true natural rights to shelter, food and comfort for purposes of decommodification (this one is pipe dream territory)

Lancelot
May 23, 2006

Fun Shoe

Infotainment! posted:

As above plus scrap secondary employment tax rates.
what do you mean? there are no actual separate tax rates, just higher withholding rates to collect the right amount on your annual income because people with two jobs earn more than people with only one of those jobs

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action

Butt Wizard posted:

I am fully on board with outlawing unpaid internships & full donation disclosure. That stuff is easily articulated and easily changed.

Broad concepts like 'increase employee power' isn't quite as straight forward.


I largely disagree with this, we're in the third term of a National Government and we still have WFF, Interest Free Student Loans and all the other poo poo they raged about in opposition like PPL. Labour, despite all their moaning about the 1984 reforms, never repealed a single one of them, and so on. It's technically possible but it's not really something that happens on a hugely regular basis and on a meaningful scale.

MMP has done a bit to curtail it (btw the reason we even have MMP is because it is amazingly easy to change major parts of the New Zealand system) but the elimination of the upper house in 1950 and lack of an official written constitution makes New Zealand uniquely susceptible to rapid change. I agree the National government hasn't made as much of a truly radical a change as we experienced in say the 80s but the actual fundamental parts of our society aren't particularly guarded against a popular enough party who wants to make such changes. You just need the votes really.

swampland fucked around with this message at 11:28 on Mar 5, 2015

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Lancelot posted:

what do you mean? there are no actual separate tax rates, just higher withholding rates to collect the right amount on your annual income because people with two jobs earn more than people with only one of those jobs

Yea, it's just to stop you underpaying tax because your combined wages might take you into a bracket where you should have paid tax at a higher rate on a part of that income. It's not an additional tax for having a second job.

swampland posted:

MMP has done a bit to curtail it (btw the reason we even have MMP is because it is amazingly easy to change major parts of the New Zealand system) but the elimination of the upper house in 1950 and lack of an official written constitution makes New Zealand uniquely susceptible to rapid change. I agree the National government hasn't made as much of a truly radical a change as we experienced in say the 80s but the actual fundamental parts of our society aren't particularly guarded against a popular enough party who wants to make such changes. You just need the votes really.

Yea the fact parliamentary sovereignty exists as a thing doesn't make sudden rapid change a thing in this country, even if it is possible. In the last 40 years there's been maybe three really big sets of reform that would fall into that category and they were mostly ages ago. I wouldn't consider it a characteristic of modern Government in this country at all.

Butt Wizard fucked around with this message at 11:30 on Mar 5, 2015

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action

Butt Wizard posted:

Yea the fact parliamentary sovereignty exists as a thing doesn't make sudden rapid change a thing in this country, even if it is possible. In the last 40 years there's been maybe three really big sets of reform that would fall into that category and they were mostly ages ago. I wouldn't consider it a characteristic of modern Government in this country at all.

When does modern government begin exactly in your view?

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

swampland posted:

When does modern government begin exactly in your view?

The introduction of MMP?

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free
Here's how you give employees power: you murder the rich.

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
Okay, I guess I'm talking about the more general trend of radical shifts in literally the whole way that politics in NZ is conducted, of which the introduction of MMP is included. The last enormous one prior to that, I agree, was in the Douglas era of embracing neoliberalism and since then the governments have basically been either extensions of it or softeners of its effects while still embracing core principles. That does not mean that New Zealand government outside of this narrow scope has not been defined by exceptionally rapid changes due to the reasons I outlined earlier, and, aside from the MMP system, nothing stops it from doing so again. Just because National haven't made as many changes as they could doesn't mean it can't happen.

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.
Sorry, I think I confused the point of the initial post - yea, it's possible, but it doesn't seem to happen much.

Incidentally I'd say the most recent unilateral reform was the Mother of All Budgets in the early 90s and things have been pretty quiet since then.

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Lancelot
May 23, 2006

Fun Shoe

Butt Wizard posted:

Yea, it's just to stop you underpaying tax because your combined wages might take you into a bracket where you should have paid tax at a higher rate on a part of that income. It's not an additional tax for having a second job.
It's necessary even if your new job isn't pushing you into a new bracket. if you earn between $14k and $48k a year (ie most of the country) then your effective annual rate is somewhere between 10.5% and 17.5%. where exactly on that scale you fit depends on how much you earn, so we withhold more from the second job so you're not taxed as though you pay 10.5% tax and then whacked with a bill for double that at the end of the year.

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