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thatfatkid posted:They cut higher education because they bought into the LNP's rhetoric about debt, household budgets and all that bullshit. And Rudd bought into the surplus fanaticism just as much as Gillard (and the point is a comparison of the two).
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thatfatkid posted:Plain packaging should've been introduced for junk food and alcohol if they were really concerned about the health of the citizenry. It was simply a cynical attack against the tobacco companies to buy votes. this is a real post on the internet forum something awful dot com
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The Coalition's desire to cut higher education funding has very little to do with balancing the budget though; it's an end in itself. Howard was ripping chunks out of the system even when the budget was in a nominally good state. I'm not talking about the Coalition cutting higher education. I'm not sure why that's being brought up...
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Adnar posted:Was that even a big thing in the media? It was only publicly acknowledged after Gillard became leader but that's because the media blithely overlooks everything that isn't spoonfed to them by a "source". It wasn't a secret and it wasn't hard to deduce and despite the years of parroting Rudd's weaknesses they're completely incapable of recognising or highlighting those same traits in anyone else. Chris kEnny hosed so many dogs.
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Mar 5, 2015 13:49
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thatfatkid posted:Tax free threshold was part of the Carbon Tax which they never wanted to do in the first place. This is some pretty blatant backpeddling mate. I'm more than happy to agree that the Rudd/Gillard government should have been more progressive, you're right there, but the idea they just parroted LNP policy is clearly and utterly wrong.
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Mar 5, 2015 13:50
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thatfatkid posted:I'm not talking about the Coalition cutting higher education. I'm not sure why that's being brought up... I said that Gonski was an example of Gillard having policies (and priorities) that were clearly not Coalition ones, you brought up cutting higher education cuts. So yeah, you implicitly did. E: And there are clear ideological differences in Gillard's cuts compared to Howard's (not that that improves the outcome much).
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Sulla-Marius 88 posted:this is a real post on the internet forum something awful dot com we keep letting these posts get to our browser windows
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I said that Gonski was an example of Gillard having policies (and priorities) that were clearly not Coalition ones, you brought up cutting higher education cuts. So yeah, you implicitly did. Higher education funding was cut to fund Gonski because the ALP bought into LNP rhetoric about debt. How is that such a hard concept to grasp? Gentleman Baller posted:This is some pretty blatant backpeddling mate. I'm more than happy to agree that the Rudd/Gillard government should have been more progressive, you're right there, but the idea they just parroted LNP policy is clearly and utterly wrong. The ALP literally campaigned in 2010 on doing nothing about climate change for 3 years. How was that not reflective of the LNP? Once in power the ALP tried to bring back the Pacific Solution under the guise of the Malaysia Solution. How was that not reflective of the LNP?
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Mar 5, 2015 13:53
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A cynical attack against the tobacco companies. Leyonhjelm spotted.
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Mar 5, 2015 13:56
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thatfatkid posted:Higher education funding was cut to fund Gonski because the ALP bought into LNP rhetoric about debt. How is that such a hard concept to grasp? thatfatkid posted:Plain packaging should've been introduced for junk food and alcohol as well if they were really concerned about the health of the citizenry. It was simply a cynical attack against the tobacco companies to buy votes.
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Fruity Gordo posted:Leyonhjelm dear lord that poor man has a scrotum for a head
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Mar 5, 2015 13:59
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And plain packaging for junk food and alcohol is a bad thing as opposed to plain packaging for cigarettes because...
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Mar 5, 2015 14:00
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thatfatkid posted:The ALP literally campaigned in 2010 on doing nothing about climate change for 3 years. How was that not reflective of the LNP? Uhhh no, during the election Gillard said that an ALP victory would be a mandate for carbon pricing, she just ruled out a carbon tax. Once again, not progressive enough but clearly not LNP Edit: It was Rudd who ruled out carbon pricing for his term thatfatkid posted:Once in power the ALP tried to bring back the Pacific Solution under the guise of the Malaysia Solution. How was that not reflective of the LNP? No arguments here, but Gillard passed ~550 acts Gentleman Baller fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Mar 5, 2015 |
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Mar 5, 2015 14:02
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thatfatkid posted:And plain packaging for junk food and alcohol is a bad thing as opposed to plain packaging for cigarettes because...
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thatfatkid posted:And plain packaging for junk food and alcohol is a bad thing as opposed to plain packaging for cigarettes because... no one said that
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thatfatkid posted:And plain packaging for junk food and alcohol is a bad thing as opposed to plain packaging for cigarettes because... Because it'd just be buying votes at the expense of the food and alcohol lobby when if they really cared about people's health they'd be pursuing plain packaging for gym equipment
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thatfatkid posted:And plain packaging for junk food and alcohol is a bad thing as opposed to plain packaging for cigarettes because... Because categorising a product as "tobacco" is easy, whereas classifying something as "junk food" is difficult.
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Mar 5, 2015 14:08
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Sulla-Marius 88 posted:Because it'd just be buying votes at the expense of the food and alcohol lobby when if they really cared about people's health they'd be pursuing plain packaging for gym equipment Targetting one consumer product because it's bad for the consumers health but not targetting other far more pervasive ones is in my opinion cynical.
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Mar 5, 2015 14:08
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thatfatkid posted:Targetting one consumer product because it's bad for the consumers health but not targetting other far more pervasive ones is in my opinion cynical. or OR... maybe there's more to it than that.
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Mar 5, 2015 14:12
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Funding bowel cancer research instead of lung cancer research is in my opinion cynical
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Mar 5, 2015 14:12
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Les Affaires posted:Because categorising a product as "tobacco" is easy, whereas classifying something as "junk food" is difficult. So they went for an easy target in the tobacco industry. Thanks for agreeing with me. edit: Oh wow i earnt myself a passive aggressive avatar 
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Mar 5, 2015 14:13
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thatfatkid posted:So they went for an easy target in the tobacco industry. Thanks for agreeing with me. N...no... they went for something that's pretty conclusively bad for peoples' health, and where the category of product is straightforward. I don't think you could call facing up to the collective weight of the tobacco industry "easy".
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Les Affaires posted:or OR... maybe there's more to it than that. no it's pretty simple. anything the baddies do is done for cynical and vote-stealing purposes anything the goodies do is out of pure-hearted philanthropy and for the good of all mankind, even if it does circumstantially help their campaign prospects it is just the public's recognition of their selfless service simple. take that, leftards
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thatfatkid posted:So they went for an easy target in the tobacco industry. Thanks for agreeing with me. checkmate, ath3ists
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Sulla-Marius 88 posted:no it's pretty simple. anything the baddies do is done for cynical and vote-stealing purposes I vote Greens and consider myself a socialist. Jesus Christ some of you people can not grasp the simple fact that criticising the ALP does not equate to LNP flagwaving.
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Right and just because someone bad does something good doesn't mean it's by definition done for some cynical nefarious purpose hitler had a dog im sure he fed it only out of some calculated desire to trick the british into supporting appeasement
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Mar 5, 2015 14:18
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"Hmm, let's tackle this so-called 'junk food' epidemic. Albo, what does the dictionary say junk food is?" "I... I can't find it in here" "Blast, those fools at Macquarie have crossed us for the last time! Cut their funding!"
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literally godwining the poo poo outta this discussion thats how 100% dumb it is
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Les Affaires posted:"Hmm, let's tackle this so-called 'junk food' epidemic. Albo, what does the dictionary say junk food is?" I like how you conveniently ignore the part about me mentioning alcohol as well.
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thatfatkid posted:I vote Greens and consider myself a socialist. Jesus Christ some of you people can not grasp the simple fact that criticising the ALP does not equate to LNP flagwaving. If a thread full of Greens voters has trouble working it out the problem might lie somewhere else.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:If a thread full of Greens voters has trouble working it out the problem might lie somewhere else. You know who else voted Greens..
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thatfatkid posted:I like how you conveniently ignore the part about me mentioning alcohol as well. Alcohol, a thing also proven to be bad for peoples' health, and easily categorised.
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Okay my fellow Laborites, today I present our new policy platform for the coming election. *rolls down projector screen* "I present to you our new strategy - Outlawing Bad" "W-what?" "We will Outlaw Bad. If a thing is Bad, we will Outlaw it" "I see... and how will this work in practise?" "I just said, if a thing is bad we will write a law to outlaw it. God, keep up Craig"
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Les Affaires posted:Alcohol, a thing also proven to be bad for peoples' health, and easily categorised. Are you loving serious?
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thatfatkid posted:Targetting one consumer product because it's bad for the consumers health but not targetting other far more pervasive ones is in my opinion cynical. Tobacco is explicitly harmful not only to the user but to everyone around them. There's no safe dose, and some people like myself who have been plagued by respiratory illnesses (in my case, mostly because I grew up and spent 18 years around a parent who smoked like a chimney) have horrible reactions to even whiffs of the stuff. Plus, junk food seldom causes bushfires when you toss it out of a car or bung it over a fence. Also, I am totally up for banning alcohol. Maybe if Australians weren't in a perpetual drunken stupor they'd see the horrible poo poo going on in their name and do something about it.
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thatfatkid posted:Are you loving serious? I'm not so sure now. Yes? I mean, if either of those two statements are false then so be it but I'm pretty sure they're both easily proved through good ol' fashioned science and some healthy Reason.
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Pickled Tink posted:You eating a chocolate bar or shoveling a burger down your noise hole doesn't make my windpipe contract and throat burn. Guess what you using your tobacco products around me does mate. I don't smoke. So smoking is bad for the public but dominoes advertising deep-fried cheese stuffed pizzas is not? I could've sworn obesity was a pretty serious problem in this country..
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Pretty sure it'd be simple to do a fairly comprehensive plain packaging law for alcohol. I mean, mechanically, not practically. The entrails of the politician who suggested it would be paraded around the country.
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thatfatkid posted:I don't smoke. My curiosity is piqued. How would we legislate this?
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