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Politico had an article out yesterday speculating on what would happen if Hillary decided not to run. What if Hillary Bows Out? Basically boils down to “Panic” and “terror”. I think the real question is: Does Hillary still plan for a late March/early April launch, or does she go back to launching this summer?
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ChickenRiceNPeas posted:Politico had an article out yesterday speculating on what would happen if Hillary decided not to run. Joementum 2016 she planned for a launch this spring. issues have forced her to put the launch on hold until early summer.
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Mar 4, 2015 18:53
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Chadderbox posted:a lot of them were probably doing the same poo poo and didn't want to get called out for it. Bingo.
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Mar 4, 2015 18:55
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FAUXTON posted:Neither did Thurgood Marshall - having a sleepy-looking face isn't much of an indicator unless you're Scott Walker. In that case it isn't so much sleepy as it is drunk. Dude looks like he's just downed a boot full of natty ice in the next room over. Packer_fan.txt
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Mar 4, 2015 19:26
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FAUXTON posted:Neither did Thurgood Marshall - having a sleepy-looking face isn't much of an indicator unless you're Scott Walker. In that case it isn't so much sleepy as it is drunk. Dude looks like he's just downed a boot full of natty ice in the next room over. I can't stand being in a state run by Governor Sleepy Baby.
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Mar 4, 2015 19:41
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ChickenRiceNPeas posted:Politico had an article out yesterday speculating on what would happen if Hillary decided not to run. It's going to take an event of earth-shattering proportions for that to happen, and unless someone can prove that national security was compromised by this email thing she won't do it. I honestly want to see some old-as-dirt technologically-challenged Republican start muttering something incomprehensible on Meet the Press or Face the Nation about how "our webs are exposed" or "the information can't flow through the proper tubes". Besides, wasn't the rule that Hillary "violated" put in place after she retired? Joementum posted:No. The strategy for dealing with Trump is to smile and let him talk. The rest will take care of itself. Better known as the "Proceed, Governor" strategy. Fritz Coldcockin fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Mar 4, 2015 |
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Mar 4, 2015 19:59
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AARP LARPer fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Jan 22, 2016 |
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Mar 4, 2015 20:03
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Do Not Resuscitate posted:god drat, this guy is going for the brass ring. One might argue that an ever-increasing reliance on gerrymandering and voter suppression of "less important" elections has led to a Republican Party where a whole bunch of potential Presidential-quality contenders never end up having the skills needed to win in a fair fight. Since you don't need to accomplish much beside rant off some talking points to get and keep your comfortable R+5 congressional district
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Mar 4, 2015 20:21
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TheBalor posted:I don't necessarily think that there's any deep dark secret hidden in the files. But barring some exculpatory circumstance, it's pretty clearly a cynical move with an eye on this election. She didn't want to leave a record that anyone could use against her, no matter what it was.
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Mar 4, 2015 20:32
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AARP LARPer fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Jan 22, 2016 |
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Mar 4, 2015 20:38
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FAUXTON posted:Neither did Thurgood Marshall - having a sleepy-looking face isn't much of an indicator unless you're Scott Walker. In that case it isn't so much sleepy as it is drunk. Dude looks like he's just downed a boot full of natty ice in the next room over. What, no Milwaukee's
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Mar 4, 2015 20:57
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Acrophyte posted:What, no Milwaukee's No because drinking it would support a company in the state.
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Mar 4, 2015 21:16
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Pinterest Mom posted:Geeez. HRC's private email was run out of a server in her home. Who know HRC was secretly a tech nerd. The only thing that would be truly embarrassing if HRC was using it to spy on Bill to make sure he wasn't having another affair.
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Mar 4, 2015 21:42
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Whois records have nothing to do with actual physical server locations. I'm pretty sure my Whois records still point to the place I lived four or five moves ago, even though there was never a server in the same state as that address.
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Mar 4, 2015 21:50
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Kalman posted:Whois records have nothing to do with actual physical server locations. I'm pretty sure my Whois records still point to the place I lived four or five moves ago, even though there was never a server in the same state as that address. To add to this, someone pointed out in USPOL that state has its own special system for classified materials so my earlier voiced concerns about properly handling secret materials is settled.
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Mar 4, 2015 21:58
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sbaldrick posted:Who know HRC was secretly a tech nerd. As for the tech aspect, I'm more likely to believe that she tasked it out to an IT person in her retinue to figure out. That insulates her from the idea that she gave the order to explicitly make a complimentary mail system, so she can just say "they suggested X as the most secure option so that's what we did".
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Mar 4, 2015 22:02
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Given how much the NSA was spying on Congress, it was probably a good idea for the Secretary of State to have a separate, secure system.
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Mar 5, 2015 00:12
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The X-man cometh posted:Given how much the NSA was spying on Congress, it was probably a good idea for the Secretary of State to have a separate, secure system. The NSA and military intelligence services are involved with administering the various secure networks, due to using them themselves.
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Mar 5, 2015 00:15
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Not the one running out of her house.
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Mar 5, 2015 00:16
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The X-man cometh posted:Given how much the NSA was spying on Congress, it was probably a good idea for the Secretary of State to have a separate, secure system. If the system connects to the internet the NSA can get into it (and even if it doesn't connect they still can sometimes) if they really really want, nothing is truly secure.
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Mar 5, 2015 00:20
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The X-man cometh posted:Not the one running out of her house. Do you have intel on the security status of the Clinton residence that you would like to share with the rest of us?
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Mar 5, 2015 00:21
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Raskolnikov38 posted:If the system connects to the internet the NSA can get into it (and even if it doesn't connect they still can sometimes) if they really really want, nothing is truly secure. Naw, man, I run my box with selinux enabled. The people who developed that knew their poo poo, man.
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Mar 5, 2015 00:23
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leave me out of this
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Mar 5, 2015 00:24
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Vienna Circlejerk posted:Naw, man, I run my box with selinux enabled. The people who developed that knew their poo poo, man. Hehe, nice... 
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Mar 5, 2015 00:28
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Chadderbox posted:So... did they at least hire someone capable of running these servers in a secure way or did we have foreign intelligence services crawling in and out of it like termites through a piece of wood? If not, what the gently caress? quote:It was not immediately clear exactly where Clinton's computer server was run, but a business record for the Internet connection it used was registered under the home address for her residence as early as August 2010. The customer was listed as Eric Hoteham. http://bigstory.ap.org/article/b78ba433af3a45209668f745158d994c/clinton-ran-homebrew-computer-system-official-emails This poo poo is just custom made to breed anti-Clinton paranoia in addition to being a real scandal because of the obvious attempt to dodge transparency and the security risks.
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Mar 5, 2015 00:52
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FuriousxGeorge posted:http://bigstory.ap.org/article/b78ba433af3a45209668f745158d994c/clinton-ran-homebrew-computer-system-official-emails Oh totally agreed on the first part at least. The biggest thing that has stood out to me is that there's no way House Republicans didn't know about it while doing their Benghazi investigations. The fact that it only came out this week tells me that a lot of people didn't think it was a big deal for a while. The fact that it's coming out during the same news cycle as Netanyahu's speech just tells me Hillary's people are savvy and weren't about to let Republicans hang onto it until the election was in full swing before bringing it up themselves. Now she gets to stand out in front of it and say something like "The security services knew what I was doing, and so did House Republicans. Sometimes where there's smoke there's just a Republican with a smoke machine." and it fades away. Edit: Also, it has yet to be determined that there was any security risk. It's entirely possible that the NSA was on board in keeping it secure, we just don't know yet. I don't doubt for a second though that physical possession of the emails was meant to make it harder for Republicans to crawl around on fishing expeditions in her records but that doesn't mean she hasn't been responding to valid requests. I guess we'll all find out sooner or later now that the news is out. Spergin Morlock fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Mar 5, 2015 |
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Mar 5, 2015 01:33
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Chadderbox posted:Oh totally agreed on the first part at least. The biggest thing that has stood out to me is that there's no way House Republicans didn't know about it while doing their Benghazi investigations. The fact that it only came out this week tells me that a lot of people didn't think it was a big deal for a while. The fact that it's coming out during the same news cycle as Netanyahu's speech just tells me Hillary's people are savvy and weren't about to let Republicans hang onto it until the election was in full swing before bringing it up themselves. Now she gets to stand out in front of it and say something like "The security services knew what I was doing, and so did House Republicans. Sometimes where there's smoke there's just a Republican with a smoke machine." and it fades away. It's a non-story either way. It's just interesting because it's this nerdy little quirk of American politics that sometimes people don't use official email addresses, and that there are varying reasons for that.
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Mar 5, 2015 01:47
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Pinterest Mom posted:Stooge 
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Mar 5, 2015 01:55
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Nintendo Kid posted:One might argue that an ever-increasing reliance on gerrymandering and voter suppression of "less important" elections has led to a Republican Party where a whole bunch of potential Presidential-quality contenders never end up having the skills needed to win in a fair fight. Since you don't need to accomplish much beside rant off some talking points to get and keep your comfortable R+5 congressional district Except that none of the prospective Republican candidates have ever held a US House seat, except John Kasich if you want to include him, and it'd be hard to argue that he's lacking in political skills.
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Mar 5, 2015 02:10
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Doctor Candiru posted:Would she have her own email server because of security concerns in the first place, like it's maybe just some additional security protocol given that she's a former First Lady and still has Secret Service protections? Or is protection by the Secret Service limited bodyguards and physical barriers? The private email system wasn't set up to protect Hillary, but her inner circle. Hillary's letters to Saul Alinsky have been published, as has her correspondence to various college crushes, letters to Bill, her performance reviews as a law professor, and basically every other piece of paper in existence that mentions her name. Nothing she writes in an email is going to shock people at this point and if she had sent an email from her private account to the White House saying, "lol let's let everyone in Benghazi die, Hilldawg needs her beauty sleep", that would have been recorded on the servers of every government employee who received it. Instead, what became clear when Gawker first leaked this in 2013 is that Sid Blumenthal and other close Clinton allies were using this as a way to send her notes trash talking the Obama administration without anyone in the White House seeing it or it ever coming under FOIA. Once again, Hillary's problem is that the Clintons have surrounded themselves with a group of people whose loyalties are to themselves first, the Clintons second, and absolutely nobody else in the world after that.
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Mar 5, 2015 03:14
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Joementum posted:Except that none of the prospective Republican candidates have ever held a US House seat, except John Kasich if you want to include him, and it'd be hard to argue that he's lacking in political skills. Is it possible good candidates are not coming through because they do not get critical development opportunities?
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Mar 5, 2015 03:19
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Cthulhu Dreams posted:Is it possible good candidates are not coming through because they do not get critical development opportunities? For the Democrats, that's a very real possibility. The Republicans have plenty of good candidates, a surfeit. It's just that they're reflective of the politics of the party, which is to say, idiotic. The smart ones have figured out that holding onto their sinecures is rewarding enough that there's no reason to risk running for President.
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Mar 5, 2015 03:22
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Being President isn't actually all that fun, and I would bet very few people in the Republican clown car actually want to be president.
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Mar 5, 2015 03:25
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:If Trump runs, do you think candidates will bring up his bankrupt hotels/casinos quote:If Carly Fiorina, do you think people will bring up that she is rated one of the worst CEOS in business
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Mar 5, 2015 04:24
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Leader (soitenly) of the civilizin' foices!
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Mar 5, 2015 04:43
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So Hillary, in a shady midnight tweet, caves in to public pressure and asks the State Dept. to review and release her e-mails. Not exactly the best showing of political will/leadership here.
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Mar 5, 2015 07:42
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how is it shady to release all her emails to the public. that's the opposite of shady
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Mar 5, 2015 07:50
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Venom Snake posted:how is it shady to release all her emails to the public. that's the opposite of shady Hillary could eat a ham sandwich on a Wednesday afternoon and people would inexorably read malice into it.
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Mar 5, 2015 08:02
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FAUXTON posted:Hillary could eat a ham sandwich on a Wednesday afternoon and people would inexorably read malice into it. Hillary showing blatant disrespect for Israel, our greatest friend and ally in the Middle East!!! It's the first signal of the race war: Hillary's DOJ won't prosecute blacks who hunt down cops! WHAT DID THAT PIG KNOW ABOUT BENGHAZI!!? IS THAT WHY SHE HAD IT KILLED?! Deep Hurting fucked around with this message at 08:31 on Mar 5, 2015 |
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I know it's early and the MAINSTREAM MEDIA needs something inconsequential/stupid to bark about and make hay out of, but I can't help getting giddy over the idea that Democrats would be dumb enough to run away from Clinton, and toward a dumb-rear end like O'malley no less. After 2008 and 2012, it would be nice to be the one doing the hysterical laughing instead of nervous laughing during the primaries.
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