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RCarr posted:I'm pretty sure this is bullshit. Nope, Desomorphine is real, as are the effects of using homemade versions.
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p-hop posted:A long-rear end time ago (early in this thread, or maybe a previous one?) somebody recommended My Friend Dahmer by Derf Backderf. I was really interested but forgot about the whole thing. The other day my eyes caught a copy at the local library. After leafing through it I brought it home and devoured the whole book in a couple hours. This is really great for the way it links the low-stakes silliness of high school with the completely hosed-up poo poo going on with Dahmer. I found it especially haunting for its thesis that the bare-bones rigidity of high-school life, with its emphasis on attendance and completing simplistic work and the forced, surface-level social interaction that comes with it kept Dahmer in check because it imposed some kind of basic order onto his life. I read it around the same time I read Dave Cullen's Columbine, which also stayed with me for similar reasons.
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RCarr posted:I'm pretty sure this is bullshit. You're thinking of Jenkem. Krokodil was not only real, there was a TCC thread and people were brushing off any claims that Krokodil was dangerous by pretending that the very real impurity issues were just things that happened to other people. That was actually the thread that made me quit even lurking TCC because I didn't want to watch more goons kill themselves or lose body parts because some idiot told them "Desomorphine isn't dangerous and Krokodil is just deso, man".
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IIRC the reason that people would take krokodil even knowing the dangers is because its dirt cheap.
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Kugyou no Tenshi posted:You're thinking of Jenkem. Krokodil was not only real, there was a TCC thread and people were brushing off any claims that Krokodil was dangerous by pretending that the very real impurity issues were just things that happened to other people. That was actually the thread that made me quit even lurking TCC because I didn't want to watch more goons kill themselves or lose body parts because some idiot told them "Desomorphine isn't dangerous and Krokodil is just deso, man". Many of you might be familiar with "The Case of the Frozen Addicts" -- basically cooking up a synthetic drug produced a byproduct, MPTP, that nearly instantly induced full-blown Parkinson's by destroying a portion of the brain. While many people think of Parkinson's as a disease that leads to tremors, in fact it is the treatments that lead to tremors. Parkinson's itself leads to rigidity. The addicts that shot up this batch of drugs almost instantly became "frozen," and were physically unable to move or speak.
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The Lone Badger posted:From what I've read it was supposed to be a satire / Modest Proposal. "You like chopping people's heads off so much, why don't you build this machine to do it more efficiently?". And the revolutionary leaders were "Excellent. We'll take ten." While he was opposed to the death penalty he was pretty serious about it, with the hope that making the system more fair and humane would eventually lead to the whole thing being abolished. It wasn't just the method, he also proposed a lot of changes to how criminals and their family were treated. quote:Article 1: All offences of the same kind will be punished by the same type of punishment irrespective of the rank or status of the guilty party.
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Sort of like the mentality of Dr. Gatling, who hoped that inventing a mass-producable machine gun would paradoxically save lives since one man could provide the volume of fire of dozens. The Gatling gun worked. His plan didn't.
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Wild T posted:Sort of like the mentality of Dr. Gatling, who hoped that inventing a mass-producable machine gun would paradoxically save lives since one man could provide the volume of fire of dozens. The Gatling gun worked. His plan didn't. I guess the thought was that there would be fewer men on the battlefield rather than a larger number of men being killed more efficiently as they charge a single guy with a machine gun.
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One day they're gonna invent a bomb so deadly and destructive that the very possibility of it ever being used is enough to stop all wars forever
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Nckdictator posted:North Korea I read Nothing to Envy a few months ago and I think this bit here is going to stay with me for the rest of my life. Out of context, without reading about the previous fifteen to twenty years of unbelievably horrible stuff that's happened, it might not be as effective, but it still says a lot, I think. quote:After breakfast, the doctors were preoccupied with finding food for dinner, and after dinner, they worried about the next breakfast. (Dr. Kim) began leaving work early to scavenge in the mountains for edible weeds. Sometimes she’d chop wood to sell. Her weight had fallen below 80 pounds. Her breasts shriveled and she stopped menstruating. From afar, she looked more like a twelve-year-old child than a woman in her early thirties. The first few days she’d gone without eating she’d felt so hungry she would have stolen food from a baby. But after four days or so, she felt nothing but a strange sensation that her body was not her own, that she was being lifted into the air and dropped down again. She was profoundly exhausted. She had no strength to get up in the morning. She quit her volunteer position at the party secretariat and by early 1998 had stopped going to work entirely. She tried various ways to make money—she sold alcohol or coal at the market. She didn’t lament the waste of her medical school training. At the height of the famine, it was enough just to stay alive.
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AnonSpore posted:One day they're gonna invent a bomb so deadly and destructive that the very possibility of it ever being used is enough to stop all wars forever Nukes basically are that bomb. Turns out we'll go to war anyway.
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:Nukes basically are that bomb. Turns out we'll go to war anyway.
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Rochallor posted:I read Nothing to Envy a few months ago and I think this bit here is going to stay with me for the rest of my life. Out of context, without reading about the previous fifteen to twenty years of unbelievably horrible stuff that's happened, it might not be as effective, but it still says a lot, I think. If that hits even harder after reading what comes before it in the book, I'm not sure I want to read it
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:Nukes basically are that bomb. Turns out we'll go to war anyway. God I love MAD.
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:Nukes basically are that bomb. Turns out we'll go to war anyway. whooooooooosh
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:Nukes basically are that bomb. Turns out we'll go to war anyway. Holy poo poo. You meant well, but holy poo poo.
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Well, Alfred Nobel's endowment and prize really did a great switcheroo on his legacy. Ask 100 people if they know what Richard Jordan Gatling is famous for. Ask 100 people if they know what Alfred Nobel is famous for (I expect most of them will not say "inventing dynamite")
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canyoneer posted:Well, Alfred Nobel's endowment and prize really did a great switcheroo on his legacy. To be fair he's far more famous (now) for having the Nobel prize named after him than he is any of his other fine achievements.
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AnonSpore posted:whooooooooosh Literally Kermit posted:Holy poo poo. You meant well, but holy poo poo. Welp, serves me right for not reading the rest of the thread.
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canyoneer posted:Well, Alfred Nobel's endowment and prize really did a great switcheroo on his legacy. Somebody hasn't read enough political cartoons (not enough is just the right amount though. Enough is too many):
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KozmoNaut posted:If that hits even harder after reading what comes before it in the book, I'm not sure I want to read it It's a tough read but very worth it. Supposedly some of the anecdotes have come into question since publication, but I haven't had time yet to google that and see what's up. The book seemed very well-documented to me.
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Jack Gladney posted:Somebody hasn't read enough political cartoons (not enough is just the right amount though. Enough is too many): This is that thing where it's too dumb to be sincere right?
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Zesty Mordant posted:This is that thing where it's too dumb to be sincere right? You can believe that if you like.
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Kugyou no Tenshi posted:Krokodil was not only real, there was a TCC thread and people were brushing off any claims that Krokodil was dangerous by pretending that the very real impurity issues were just things that happened to other people. That was actually the thread that made me quit even lurking TCC because I didn't want to watch more goons kill themselves or lose body parts because some idiot told them "Desomorphine isn't dangerous and Krokodil is just deso, man".
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Syd Midnight posted:The Krokodil thread was started as a joke, with the OP pretending to be a demented krokodil aficionado, posting gory pictures and giving descriptions of the infections and ulcers it causes. It only took a few pages for people to start earnestly defending it and wondering what it feels like and how to make some, so the horrified OP had to close the thread. Link?
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Ok thread, you won, looking into it online has confirmed that krokodil is the most ghastly thing I've ever seen, its like something out of fallout.
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Zesty Mordant posted:This is that thing where it's too dumb to be sincere right? No he's quite serious. The same artist also made a cartoon comparing obamacare to the holocaust ovens. A goon did do the math and found like a 1000 people would have to die from dynamite daily to make the cartoon accurate though.
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Mojo Threepwood posted:A defense company called Temporal Defense Systems was interested
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:No he's quite serious. The same artist also made a cartoon comparing obamacare to the holocaust ovens. It's a real mindfuck since Nobel also worked on smokeless powder. Are they trying to pin all post-1880's gun deaths on him or something? If so, why did they put in dynamite instead of smokeless powder? They'd either have to be aware of the powder angle or just bullshitting to come up with such a huge number. Maybe the writer is dumbing it down for the intended audience?
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I hear there's been some kind of accident in their lab
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Jack Gladney posted:I read it around the same time I read Dave Cullen's Columbine, which also stayed with me for similar reasons. Re Columbine: JG, would you recommend the Cullen book? I looked at the reviews and I was curious. It seems that he largely rejects the idea that bullying was a motivating factor and that the killers were actually relatively popular and successful socially. That seems to contradict a lot of testimony. There seems to be a big divide between Cullen and Larkin ( http://www.amazon.com/Comprehending...nding+columbine ), (or at least a division between their supporters) with Larkin suggesting social factors were stronger than Cullen makes out. So, Cullen - psychological motivation, Larkin - social motivation. I'm just going from the online reviews, so it may be an over simplification or even a misrepresentation. Has anyone here read both books and can give a balanced view of them?
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Josef K. Sourdust posted:Re Columbine: JG, would you recommend the Cullen book? I looked at the reviews and I was curious. It seems that he largely rejects the idea that bullying was a motivating factor and that the killers were actually relatively popular and successful socially. That seems to contradict a lot of testimony. There seems to be a big divide between Cullen and Larkin ( http://www.amazon.com/Comprehending...nding+columbine ), (or at least a division between their supporters) with Larkin suggesting social factors were stronger than Cullen makes out. So, Cullen - psychological motivation, Larkin - social motivation. I'm just going from the online reviews, so it may be an over simplification or even a misrepresentation. Has anyone here read both books and can give a balanced view of them? It's been a while since I've read Cullen, but the killers only account for maybe 1/3 of it. Cullen's account seems thoroughly researched and matches the FBI's report. There's plenty of testimony that describes the killers as bullies themselves, and Cullen draws not only on testimony from their parents and people who knew them, but their diaries, transcripts of their interrogations, and interviews with their court-mandated therapists. It seems solidly researched to me.
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Jack Gladney posted:It's been a while since I've read Cullen, but the killers only account for maybe 1/3 of it. Cullen's account seems thoroughly researched and matches the FBI's report. There's plenty of testimony that describes the killers as bullies themselves, and Cullen draws not only on testimony from their parents and people who knew them, but their diaries, transcripts of their interrogations, and interviews with their court-mandated therapists. It seems solidly researched to me. Thanks! That's good enough for me. Next time I permit myself to buy any books, I'll get Cullen's.
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bonestructure posted:It's a tough read but very worth it. Supposedly some of the anecdotes have come into question since publication, but I haven't had time yet to google that and see what's up. The book seemed very well-documented to me. To add to that, the book is almost entirely based around personal testimonies from half a dozen or so defectors from North Korea. And personal testimony, of course, isn't always entirely reliable. The author does make an effort to corroborate whatever she can, but as you can imagine in the case of NK this isn't the easiest task. I'm not aware of any specific controversies surrounding the accuracy, but on the larger issues, at least, there are a bunch of different defectors saying the same things.
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So I was thinking I'd do a post on a specific massacre of Indigenous Australians, but I was having trouble finding a wikipedia article for the specific incident I was searching for. That's when I found this: A list of massacres of Indigenous Australians wikipedia posted:The colonial Australian frontier war was unofficial, undeclared and unrecorded, and the official actions of government forces was typically veiled as "policing" and "law-enforcement" although a police force normally is not constitutionally allowed to engage in acts of warfare... As an Australian, something which really shocked me about that list was the time scale. I was always under the impression that the frontier war was bloody but over relatively quickly. However large scale massacres occurred from the 1780's until 1928. Also the bullshit excuses given by the whitey to excuse their actions: wikipedia posted:
This flavour of bullshit was, unfortunately, a fairly common one: wikipedia posted:
This is the incident I was initially hunting for. Let's dig a little deeper: As the Murdering Gully Massacre page mentions, Aboriginals did kill european settlers livestock - usually because the settlers had encroached on their land and removed their access to food. The article specifically mentions Kangaroo and Emu, but food sources varied across the country. Even things which the Europeans saw as being straightforward, such as scrub clearing, could seriously endanger local Aboriginal food sources. So, the settlers retaliate: wikipedia posted:
The evidence that Taylor and his murderous goons had was tenuous at best: wikipedia posted:George Robinson, the Chief Protector of Aborigines, in a letter to Assistant Protector Charles Sievwright on 11 July 1839, questions Taylor's allegation saying You may recall that in my first mention of the Murdering Gully massacre, it was noted how much qualitative evidence there was. Many of these massacres are disputed because of the lack of evidence, witnesses, or accurate counts of the dead. So, with so many people on hand - both European and Aboriginal - surely the peice of poo poo that co-ordinated it all went down. No, loving of course not: wikipedia posted:
Now, go back and have a look at that list of massacres. This poo poo, again and again and again. And as a country how did we attempt to make up for this widespread slaughter? The Federal government decided to take as many Aboriginal children as possible, and re-home them or put them in institutions! Aboriginal Australians weren't allowed to vote or be included in the Census until 1962 (link), and the first land rights were not established until the early part of the 1970's. Happy to go into more detail on anything if people are curious/want to know more. I don't want to get too rambling or overly political - at least not without some form of prompting. e: loving around with some tag/formatting stuff. Also, sorry if I am super derailing by popping in every day to post some new poo poo which is totally off topic to the current conversation. I hope that interesting information and my presentation makes up for it. </garbagedick> DPM has a new favorite as of 11:47 on Mar 8, 2015 |
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Nah, it's cool, I watched a program about the Indigenous Australians the other day and it was interesting. Not being from Australia I hadn't ever even thought about them as a thing that existed. I mean, I knew on a level that they did but it was still surprising (to me) to see the culture that was there. I guess my mental picture of Australia is just deserts and beaches and the big plantation from The Thorn Birds. Related to the North Korea discussion a while back Escape from Camp 14 is a short and harrowing read. It's not particularly well written, but it's a first-hand account of a man who basically grew up in a North Korean gulag and his escape to China. It may not be entirely reliable but it's still something people should read. Nettle Soup has a new favorite as of 12:20 on Mar 8, 2015 |
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DumbparameciuM posted:So I was thinking I'd do a post on a specific massacre of Indigenous Australians, but I was having trouble finding a wikipedia article for the specific incident I was searching for. The story of Tasmania is pretty crazy. Some folks call The Black War of 1828-1832 a genocide. Others disagree, but seeing as how all of the native Tasmanians were either killed or fled the island and the languages are pretty much dead, I think the name fits. quote:On 1 December 1826, the Tasmanian Colonial Times declared that: "We make no pompous display of Philanthropy. We say this unequivocally SELF DEFENCE IS THE FIRST LAW OF NATURE. THE GOVERNMENT MUST REMOVE THE NATIVES—IF NOT, THEY WILL BE HUNTED DOWN LIKE WILD BEASTS, AND DESTROYED!" – Colonial Times and Tasmanian Advertiser, 1826[18][19] And the attitude toward the successful eradication of the native population, who had been there for 35,000 years: quote:When Truganini died, the Tasmanian Government declared the island’s Aboriginals to be extinct. Its intention was to make everyone understand that the native problem was over, but the government was wrong on both counts. Other aboriginal women born from full-blooded tribal parents outlived her. And what was done to the bodies of the last Tasmanians: quote:In one case, the Royal Society of Tasmania received government permission to exhume the body of Truganini in 1878, within two years of her death, on condition that it was "decently deposited in a secure resting place accessible by special permission to scientific men for scientific purposes." Her skeleton was on display in the Tasmanian Museum until 1947.[39] Another case was the removal of the skull and scrotum — for a tobacco pouch — of William Lanne, known as King Billy, on his death in 1869.
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And museums and universities around the world paid for their bones and still hold them to this day, still get the sacred bones of ancestors, sometimes labelled with the names of both the "collector" and victim, for practical demonstrations where cack-handed undergraduates break them with incautious handling. The story of Australian Aboriginal populations is terrible and the systematic (worldwide!) discrimination they face is pretty loving atrocious.
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Watching Chasing Shackleton. That was some pro advice. Holy poo poo, I can't imagine doing what Shackleton and his crew did back in the day. It looks terrifying enough in modern times, with a rescue crew and prep and all, so I can't imagine doing it back then with so much riding on you to save everyone.
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nocal posted:While many people think of Parkinson's as a disease that leads to tremors, in fact it is the treatments that lead to tremors. Parkinson's itself leads to rigidity. The addicts that shot up this batch of drugs almost instantly became "frozen," and were physically unable to move or speak. Nope, tremor is one of the cardinal signs of PD.
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