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Angry Grimace posted:
they couldn't have made it trigger whenever it attacks or something awesome and cool like that, this is so worthless
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Starving Autist posted:While it can't dome the opponent, the bigger body plus trample somewhat makes up for that. Note that it can roast multiple planeswalkers, which is not something you often get to do with one card. I like that it turns on formidable all by itself, too. If you're paying seven mana, your five damage probably isn't going to roast multiple planeswalkers. They've either gone ultimate or have a ton of loyalty. Hell it doesn't even kill a Hornet Queen and tokens! The card would be decent and feel cool but not playable if it did eight damage. It can't target players. Five DA!age doesn't even kill several five mana creatures in standard which is just silly. It can't kill Surrak, new Sidisi, or Doomwake. The old Atarka felt more mythic.
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Mar 6, 2015 18:03
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i mean, even if it triggered when it attacked too it wouldn't be great but it's so boring once its on the field
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Mar 6, 2015 18:04
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Spiderdrake posted:I guess this is weird complaining but I really don't understand why Atarka herself is more boring than both of her rare servants. I'd rather she got Foe-Razer's spread but with mythic budget, in fact, given Foe Razer has an ongoing effect... My guess is that they wanted her to turn on formidable by herself.
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Mar 6, 2015 18:04
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Can someone buy Atarka a trip to Bogardan because goddamn she needs to learn how to kill players.
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Mar 6, 2015 18:04
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Elyv posted:Honestly I'd rather have an ETB trigger than an ongoing effect on an expensive card like a dragonlord, at least you know for sure it'll actually do something. I'd rather have a cheaper dragon :P
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Mar 6, 2015 18:05
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Shoulda just made her a functional reprint of Ruric Thar and said she's too fat to fly now.
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Mar 6, 2015 18:05
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Rimusutera posted:someone doesn't dig it. lol okay that was good
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Mar 6, 2015 18:05
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Elyv posted:My guess is that they wanted her to turn on formidable by herself.
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Mar 6, 2015 18:05
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at least she doesn't die to bathe in dragon fire.
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Mar 6, 2015 18:05
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Spiderdrake posted:Oh, good call. That mechanic is such a winmore non-starter I completely forgot it even exists. Its such an awful take on Ferocious, which was already a bit questionable since you have a 4 power dude on the field. Making it so you need the equivalent of 2 of them is just silly.
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Mar 6, 2015 18:07
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mcmagic posted:I can't believe there are people who think Sulimgar's Command is bad... I don't know about bad, but it's a lot of mana to hold up for 4 conditional modes. In grindy games bouncing a land can be near worthless, but might be the only second availble mode.
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Mar 6, 2015 18:10
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atarka doesnt even have the two best parts of bogardan hellkite, the doming players, and the freaking flash which was the best part of that dumb card
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Mar 6, 2015 18:12
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Oh man Shorecrasher Elemental bringing back Mono U devotion!
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Mar 6, 2015 18:12
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Where are the other rebound cards.
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Mar 6, 2015 18:13
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:atarka doesnt even have the two best parts of bogardan hellkite, the doming players, and the freaking flash which was the best part of that dumb card once again proving that dominaria is the best plane
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Mar 6, 2015 18:13
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Angry Grimace posted:
At least it does something on ETB. It does Boulderfall actually. Will first pick the hell out of it in draft obviously. Pyrotechnics +1 that leaves behind an 8/8 flyer? That's a bomb even at 7 mana.
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Mar 6, 2015 18:14
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Entropic posted:At least it does something on ETB. It does Boulderfall actually. No cuz boulderfall can kill players and atarka (or at least, her etb trigger) can't. If she did boulderfall she would actually be kind of neat and we wouldn't be as upset when comparing her to bogardan hellkite Zoness fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Mar 6, 2015 |
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Mar 6, 2015 18:15
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Angry Grimace posted:Its such an awful take on Ferocious, which was already a bit questionable since you have a 4 power dude on the field. Making it so you need the equivalent of 2 of them is just silly. I'm interested to see how they implement it, all we've seen is a draft common(and the mythic shaman, ok, but I wouldn't expect the timmy mythic to be typical). I wouldn't really describe that one as win more, since all it asks is that you have a combined 3 power of other creatures, which is less than ferocious asks of you. I guess if they put the ability on beefy creatures that are playable without the ability, I could see it doing work. Starving Autist fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Mar 6, 2015 |
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Mar 6, 2015 18:16
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Someone talk me off the ledge. UR Hour of Dragons combo seems like a real deck. If you have Dragon Tempest out and they have no flying blockers resolving the dragon token maker on 3 creatures wins on the spot. With blockers you need 4 or 5, but... playing R gives you the combo, Hordeling Outburst and Dragon Fodder, plus Rabblemaster if you want. U gives you Omenspeaker, Anticipation, and Dig Through Time to find combo pieces, Battlefield Thaumaturge to make your kill card cost RR, and countermagic to protect your combo. Add burn spells to taste.
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Mar 6, 2015 18:17
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jassi007 posted:I don't think they think its bad, they hoped it would be 2UB and playable outside standard. i think 5cmc is probably just a bit to high for it to see play outside of standard. it is good. In standard. Yeah but then it gets compared to Cryptic which is just insane in terms of power level.
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Mar 6, 2015 18:18
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Zoness posted:No cuz boulderfall can kill players and atarka can't. If she did boulderfall she would actually be kind of neat and we wouldn't be as upset when comparing her to bogardan hellkite An 8/8 flying trample is pretty good at killing players I think. It's probably not constructed worthy, but if you don't think it's a draft bomb you're crazy.
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Mar 6, 2015 18:19
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the problem with the dragonlords is the best use for those spots is to be big dumb edh cards but they aren't even really interesting to be your commander. like with silumgar, i like sower of temptation, but i've never said "gee, i wish sower could be my commander" kolaghan might be the exception but even he has a dumb rider that doesn't even do anything in EDH except splash damage to your buddy's dumbass relentless rats deck
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Mar 6, 2015 18:20
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EDH is a dumb format anyway and I'm glad they don't go out of their way to make all Legends good commanders. 
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Mar 6, 2015 18:22
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Lol at Hearthstone releasing a dragon themed expansion in the first week of April.
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Mar 6, 2015 18:22
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Entropic posted:An 8/8 flying trample is pretty good at killing players I think. is anyone arguing that sticking one in limited isn't ridiculous cuz i certainly wasnt
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Mar 6, 2015 18:27
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Ojutai is the only dragonlord we're still missing, right?
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Mar 6, 2015 18:28
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This set is looking possibly more bomby than FRF. I mean you don't have the Sieges (until pack 3), but a lot of these dragons are just ridiculous in limited.
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Mar 6, 2015 18:29
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Entropic posted:Ojutai is the only dragonlord we're still missing, right? And Dramoka's command.
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Mar 6, 2015 18:29
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I wanna whip it, gain 13, and kill your hornet queen tokens.
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Mar 6, 2015 18:30
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Also the RB command.
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Mar 6, 2015 18:30
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Teaser of one of the cards they're about to spoil at PAX
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Mar 6, 2015 18:30
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Entropic posted:This set is looking possibly more bomby than FRF. I mean you don't have the Sieges (until pack 3), but a lot of these dragons are just ridiculous in limited. id make a joke about obviously the set with "dragons" in the name is going to be bomby but, dragon's maze
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Mar 6, 2015 18:32
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Guys I think they are going to errate every burn spell from tarkir back to replace deals damage to "player" into deals damage to "player or planeswalker" They are using Origin as the chance to do this.
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Mar 6, 2015 18:34
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Gensuki posted:Guys I think they are going to errate every burn spell from tarkir back to replace deals damage to "player" into deals damage to "player or planeswalker" Reprint lightning bolt to showcase this change.
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Mar 6, 2015 18:35
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Gensuki posted:Guys I think they are going to errate every burn spell from tarkir back to replace deals damage to "player" into deals damage to "player or planeswalker" I highly doubt it. Because what if they want to make a burn spell that only targets players? Say they make the change and then print a card like Magma Spike R Sorcery ~ deals 3 damage to target player. Now give both that card and a Lava Spike to a new player who isn't a rules export and explain to them how Lava Spike can hit their planeswalker because it has invisible Oracle text.
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Mar 6, 2015 18:38
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 This makes so much sense
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GonSmithe posted:
Is that a misprinted foil rare sheet with all junk rare? 
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Mar 6, 2015 18:40
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GonSmithe posted:
This should be Crucible of the Spirit Dragon.
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Entropic posted:This set is looking possibly more bomby than FRF. I mean you don't have the Sieges (until pack 3), but a lot of these dragons are just ridiculous in limited. I think there's a decent chance DDF could be a totally miserable format, assuming the commons and uncommons are similar to every other set. The rares and mythics are just bomb bomb bomb. Say what you want about Theros, but the low power disparity between the uncommons and the rares and the unreliability of mythics as game-ending bombs made the environment actually pretty balanced. Gensuki posted:Guys I think they are going to errate every burn spell from tarkir back to replace deals damage to "player" into deals damage to "player or planeswalker" Nah, they wouldn't do that. But if it really was a problem, you could fix it by just printing any new burn spells as: "Lightning Bolt deals 3 damage to target creature or player. (If you target a player, you may redirect all of this damage to a Planeswalker that player controls)" Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Mar 6, 2015 |
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