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Are they changing the frame to include a card type symbol at the top left?
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mcmagic posted:So no Lili of the Veil reprint any time soon... Just win a PPTQ they're RPTQ promos, you're a good magic player right?
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TheKingofSprings posted:So if you play 2 lilianas, does that mean one of them dies and flips the other? Yeah I imagine seeing oneself die from a paradox would be shocking enough to ignite one's spark.
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Starving Autist posted:Are they changing the frame to include a card type symbol at the top left? No. All Double Face cards have a symbol there. It's just a new symbol from the Innistrad ones which were sun/moon.
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Mar 6, 2015 21:35
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Elyv posted:Why can't Liliana return legendary creatures? My guess is that Magic Origins is a top-down flavor-built set, and they don't want her able to reanimate other DFC planeswalkers, or even worse, another copy of herself.
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Mar 6, 2015 21:36
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Elyv posted:Why can't Liliana return legendary creatures? Because otherwise she'd be reanimating other copies of herself a lot, since an easy way to flip her is to cast a second one.
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Starving Autist posted:Are they changing the frame to include a card type symbol at the top left? That's just the DFC indicator. The innistrad DFCs had "night' and 'day' icons there, these ones have pre- and post-spark icons.
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Mar 6, 2015 21:36
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qbert posted:This is untrue. Notice how no Abzan deck plays it. Whisperwood isn't as good in decks that aren't creature heavy and if your colors can support Wingmate Roc, usually you play that instead. Abzan Aggro is starting to play Whisperwood over Roc as a curve topper. I'm sure that will continue.
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Mar 6, 2015 21:37
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Kasonic posted:Why would anyone hate DFCs? Like seriously, explain your anger to me. Can't play with penny sleeves or top loaders?? Also now you can get a Planeswalker on your opponents turn. That will be weird and has some potentially interesting play.
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Mar 6, 2015 21:37
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Elyv posted:Why can't Liliana return legendary creatures? So Liliana can't return Liliana.
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Elyv posted:Why can't Liliana return legendary creatures? Mechanically, it's probably because you could do the silly "lilli, lilli flipping one, use planeswalker lilli to resurrect dead lilli" thing. Flavorfully, she probably isn't able to preserve personality and stuff past resurrections. I imagine raising her brother from the dead ended up being a massive, shambling, mindless disappointment.
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Mar 6, 2015 21:37
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They'll probably just set up the print run so every pack with a DFC planeswalker comes with a checklist card
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Kasonic posted:Why would anyone hate DFCs? Like seriously, explain your anger to me. I don't hate DFCs but I do dislike them, because I find them clunky and annoying to play with.
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Mar 6, 2015 21:38
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Really interesting design on those DFC walkers, I'm sure people will eat that transforming thing right up. Would have liked to see them push the power a little considering they aren't as good as a regular walker.
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Mar 6, 2015 21:38
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the ajani furry
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Kasonic posted:Why would anyone hate DFCs? Like seriously, explain your anger to me. Because I care more about function than flavor. DFCs were a decent way to get the flavor of Werewolves and stuff across (and probably the best of a bad lot), but they don't function very well. You either need checklist cards or you need to pull the card in and out of the sleeve multiple times and they hosed up the draft format and I don't feel like the payoff was worth it.
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Mar 6, 2015 21:38
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Of course the little kid likes Jace. 
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Mar 6, 2015 21:38
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legoman727 posted:Of course the little kid likes Jace. no someone save hte kid please
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Mar 6, 2015 21:39
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Ciprian Maricon posted:Really interesting design on those DFC walkers, I'm sure people will eat that transforming thing right up. Would have liked to see them push the power a little considering they aren't as good as a regular walker. Liliana seems reasonably strong. Also I'm looking forward to people countering removal spells targetting her by bolting/striking their own poo poo.
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Mar 6, 2015 21:40
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Some Numbers posted:Because I care more about function than flavor. DFCs were a decent way to get the flavor of Werewolves and stuff across (and probably the best of a bad lot), but they don't function very well. You either need checklist cards or you need to pull the card in and out of the sleeve multiple times and they hosed up the draft format and I don't feel like the payoff was worth it. The impact in loving up draft wont be as bad when DFCs are limited to five mythics instead of one in every pack
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Cactrot posted:Just win a PPTQ they're RPTQ promos, you're a good magic player right? I'm trying...
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Mar 6, 2015 21:40
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sarkhan figuratively a self-made orphan AND self-made bastard holy poo poo
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legoman727 posted:Of course the little kid likes Jace. If anyone still wonders why they push Jace so hard, this is why.
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Glidergun posted:Mechanically, it's probably because you could do the silly "lilli, lilli flipping one, use planeswalker lilli to resurrect dead lilli" thing. Flavorfully, she probably isn't able to preserve personality and stuff past resurrections. I imagine raising her brother from the dead ended up being a massive, shambling, mindless disappointment. Worked well enough when she unhallowed Mikaeus.
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Mar 6, 2015 21:41
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Have they said that the planeswalkers are the only DFCs in the set, or coudl there still be other DFCs at lower rarity that do different non-planeswalker-related stuff?
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Mar 6, 2015 21:41
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Madmarker posted:Holy hell, and I thought Angry Grimace had wrong opinions. I think it mightve been Grimace who called the flip walkers lol
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Mar 6, 2015 21:42
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Zoness posted:sarkhan figuratively a self-made orphan AND self-made bastard holy poo poo Sarkhan, Magnificent Bastard Terrible Horse posted:I think it mightve been Grimace who called the flip walkers lol Basically everyone called it, though.
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Mar 6, 2015 21:42
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:The impact in loving up draft wont be as bad when DFCs are limited to five mythics instead of one in every pack You're right, that particular gripe is an Innistrad thing. I'm still unconvinced that DFCs are worth all the headaches they produce.
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Mar 6, 2015 21:43
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Entropic posted:Have they said that the planeswalkers are the only DFCs in the set, or coudl there still be other DFCs at lower rarity that do different non-planeswalker-related stuff? The return of the Yung Instigator Gang?
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mcmagic posted:Abzan Aggro is starting to play Whisperwood over Roc as a curve topper. I'm sure that will continue. Actually the opposite. They tried Whisperwood when FRF first came out and quickly dropped it and went back to Rocs. I don't think there's been a Top 8 Abzan Aggro list at any major event in the last month playing any Whisperwoods.
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Mar 6, 2015 21:44
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Some Numbers posted:You're right, that particular gripe is an Innistrad thing. I'm still unconvinced that DFCs are worth all the headaches they produce. I don't think dfc's are particularly bad for draft. I mean, barring requiring checkcards or sleeves, the actual implcation wrt signaling isn't a huge setback/benefit one way or the other, they're just different. Zoness fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Mar 6, 2015 |
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Entropic posted:Have they said that the planeswalkers are the only DFCs in the set, or coudl there still be other DFCs at lower rarity that do different non-planeswalker-related stuff? Print a common DFC tribal flip morph planeswalker with suspend.
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Mar 6, 2015 21:45
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Print a common DFC tribal flip morph planeswalker with suspend. And banding.
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qbert posted:Actually the opposite. They tried Whisperwood when FRF first came out and quickly dropped it and went back to Rocs. I don't think there's been a Top 8 Abzan Aggro list at any major event in the last month playing any Whisperwoods. Watch going forward. Whisperwood is amazing in the current Meta.
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Mar 6, 2015 21:46
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Considering Innistrad is considered one of the best draft environments of all time, I don't think DFCs really have much negative impact.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Print a common DFC tribal flip morph planeswalker with suspend.
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New Sarkhan may or may not be good, but I can't hate an ult that lets you vomit a bunch of dragons onto the battlefield. DFC walkers seems kinda goofy but I guess we'll see how they all turn out. Ed: Also possibility for other DFC reprints (read: Huntmaster)
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Any audience question that takes over a minute to ask is a bad question.
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So because the DFC planeswalkers start as Legendary Creatures, they can be used for EDH, right? Count me aboard the hype train.
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Kind of annoying that LotV wont get a reprint in Origins, though its probable for MM15
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